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marions ghost

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126. Not what I am saying...
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:17 PM
Apr 2012

I couldn't care less if people want to waste their money (on whatever), but I DO care when what they buy is represented as something it isn't.

I judge Kinkade by the fact that he sold his generic reproductions as original art. He duped people into thinking his works had the same value as original artwork that has been made honestly--this was a lie and he knew it.

Kinkades should have been sold at the prices that one would pay for what comes out of art factories in China, where you can get your very own Picasso. But he did not price it at those low-end prices and through clever marketing, led people to believe these products were very precious. And then when the curtain fell like it did exposing the Wizard of Oz, he further showed his colors by skunking the people who had invested in his vanity galleries. I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that Kinkade's enterprises had
cult-like characteristics, exploiting Christianity and nostalgia for easier times. Just smart marketing?

Crookedness should not be defended as "personality." This is damaging to society on so many levels. It reflects attitudes that are not consistent with integrity in business, attitudes that hurt us all.

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Thomas Kincade Dead (finally) [View all] TalkingDog Apr 2012 OP
link? unblock Apr 2012 #1
KITSCH DontTreadOnMe Apr 2012 #2
'mall art' Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2012 #16
I always though Picasso and Andy Warhol were garbage. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #113
Do You Often Though? HangOnKids Apr 2012 #149
Please tell me what I should think is good art. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #154
No Snake HangOnKids Apr 2012 #160
So you won't share what art should be deemed good and what art should be deemed bad? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #161
Amazed at Your Contribution To DU Snake HangOnKids Apr 2012 #169
Slack job where I can post often? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #182
You are confusing quantity with quality. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #193
I suppose it's like art. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #202
You suppose incorrectly. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #203
I'm sure you could point out what is art and what is not. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #209
Some does, some of it is just ridiculous. Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #213
He does it by posting one line snark and baiting people into endless and morningfog Apr 2012 #215
Yep! Thanks for confirming what I thought n/t HangOnKids Apr 2012 #219
If you have to ask someone what is good art, you will never know the difference between crunch60 Apr 2012 #204
Many "artists" seem to be able to tell. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #210
They've never been my favourites either. polly7 Apr 2012 #230
Bait and Switch, Misrepresented, Scammer Trash on Canvas... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #127
And he's so different from the rest of the art world -- how? It's a seething pit of corruption. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #140
Call Your CongressPerson Right Now!!!! HangOnKids Apr 2012 #150
2 words kpete Apr 2012 #3
I thought he was already dead tularetom Apr 2012 #4
Is this an opportunity for you to show us how much 'in the know' you are? randome Apr 2012 #5
Van Gogh edhopper Apr 2012 #9
I agree about the skill. Or lack of it. randome Apr 2012 #31
I agree, edhopper Apr 2012 #121
Did somebody just insert Van Gogh into a thread about the hack-scammer-fraud, Kinkade? NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #143
are you comparing kpete Apr 2012 #13
I am not comparing other than to point out that both were painters. randome Apr 2012 #29
How many people did Van Gogh defraud? nt. Mariana Apr 2012 #33
Hey, I'm no expert on either van Gogh or Kincade. randome Apr 2012 #34
Kinkade defrauded lots of people. Mariana Apr 2012 #163
+1! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #45
That "Just because a dog can talk......." line is about as on the mark as anything I've ever heard! WillowTree Apr 2012 #73
Well, it may only have relevance... randome Apr 2012 #81
Did Van Gogh create such draconian contractual obligations that he bankrupted thousands TalkingDog Apr 2012 #78
pablo picasso was never called an asshole frylock Apr 2012 #98
+1 FSogol Apr 2012 #229
-1000 I don't like Kinkade paintings, either. MineralMan Apr 2012 #6
Thanks, and I agree. Very unnecessary. nt babylonsister Apr 2012 #10
babylonsister kpete Apr 2012 #24
I don't/didn't babylonsister Apr 2012 #46
okay kpete Apr 2012 #47
I know what you mean, kpete... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #48
Wat redqueen Apr 2012 #53
I'd like to engage with you Redqueen, but Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #57
Sorry... redqueen Apr 2012 #59
Right, now I understand! Here are just a couple of Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #69
Thank you! redqueen Apr 2012 #77
"colors affect your emotional and physical health." dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #183
I agree. Any classical music or The Blues makes me literally nauseas. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #116
When you say "classical" music what exactly are you talking about? CTyankee Apr 2012 #190
I agree, for instance, I cannot listen to Mariah Carey's voice, her singing literally hurts my ears. crunch60 Apr 2012 #206
+1000 IDemo Apr 2012 #12
I was wondering what was so terrible about him that could warrant this. redqueen Apr 2012 #14
I agree. Thank you. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #18
Someone who has his "art" in 1 in 20 households in America IS important marions ghost Apr 2012 #72
Nonsense. People buy what they like. MineralMan Apr 2012 #74
Read up on how he defrauded his gallery investors marions ghost Apr 2012 #76
And THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout.... TalkingDog Apr 2012 #79
It's not what you're talking about. It's how you're talking about it. MineralMan Apr 2012 #86
No, Kinkade is not OK with me. But you know what's more not OK? MineralMan Apr 2012 #84
Censorship is not OK either-- marions ghost Apr 2012 #102
Word! Fraudster!!! Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #88
It is not grave dancing to speak the truth of someone obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #125
Kinkade was a charlatan, he died, no dancing, the end. nt crunch60 Apr 2012 #207
thank you for putting "art" in quotations magical thyme Apr 2012 #80
+1,000 ! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #85
Major Props to your post obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #122
thanks marions ghost Apr 2012 #134
+1000 Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #129
Nicely put. Thank you. cordelia Apr 2012 #108
I happen to like Kinkade paintings. Archae Apr 2012 #7
Art is subjective, so you can like whatever art you want to lilke.. But I am not a snob crunch60 Apr 2012 #205
54 and natural causes? Iris Apr 2012 #8
Sadly, lots of people die in their 50s of natural causes. MineralMan Apr 2012 #22
Word is he was an alcoholic. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #70
I never knew that kitsch was a natural cause Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #11
it can kpete Apr 2012 #15
OMG talk about grave dancing proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #17
i liked his stuff 90-percent Apr 2012 #19
One of my closest friends is a gifted painter proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #28
Read up on Kinkade--he was a scoundrel marions ghost Apr 2012 #97
"Being defrauded is awful enough, but doing it in the name of God is really despicable." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2012 #172
not surprised marions ghost Apr 2012 #178
L&O:SVU 90-percent Apr 2012 #216
Agree, 90%, with your assessment Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #51
LOL! randome Apr 2012 #61
No, of course you don't, and nor do I... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #82
Agree with that, too. randome Apr 2012 #87
Also very important-- Rockwell actually PAINTED his paintings... marions ghost Apr 2012 #103
+1,000 ! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #119
yes, Rockwell chronicled great social changes of his era... grasswire Apr 2012 #145
Norman Rockwell was a real artist, not a scammer eridani Apr 2012 #142
How was he abusive? redqueen Apr 2012 #20
It's a combination of his nauseating art and his fraudulent business practices, I think. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #180
He was no Bob Ross. edbermac Apr 2012 #21
Something ANY "series" artists should see... Hubert Flottz Apr 2012 #43
Bob Ross' schtick was teaching other people to paint XemaSab Apr 2012 #109
There are times you just have to tell it like it is and damn the torpedos. Excellant post. hayrow1 Apr 2012 #23
Did he run over your dog or something? Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #25
He peed on Winnie the Pooh. progressoid Apr 2012 #66
He was only 54 years old. I'm 54 years old. I never liked his work, but this post is insensitive. slackmaster Apr 2012 #26
It is also a dupe thread Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #27
No it is not, it is an opinion piece about Tom Kincade HangOnKids Apr 2012 #152
Kincade was to art what cotton candy is to nutrition. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #30
Really? "Finally"? Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #32
He was however, a scam artist and a fraudster...n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #90
so that makes it okay to cheer his death? what is wrong with you? dionysus Apr 2012 #226
No cheering and nothing wrong, dionysus--just a reaffirmation Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #227
i agree he seems to have been a rotten guy, i just find the zeal with which some folks seem to be dionysus Apr 2012 #228
Very very ugly... He was only 54. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #35
You've been waiting for him to die? Iggo Apr 2012 #36
Hate is an acid that destroys the vessel in which it is stored......n/t Rowdyboy Apr 2012 #37
Who? ElboRuum Apr 2012 #38
What an assholish way to announce someone's death. You should be ashamed of yourself. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #39
My sentiments exactly Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #68
I have no idea about his business practices or personal problems, but polly7 Apr 2012 #40
Agree about the quality of his commercial Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #41
History is littered with dead artists who, during their lifetime necessarily pipoman Apr 2012 #42
Most excellent post. Atman Apr 2012 #49
Yeah, these people remind me pipoman Apr 2012 #65
Maybe you should avoid cigar bars. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #91
Who complained about cigar smoke? pipoman Apr 2012 #99
actually, YOU complained about cigar smoke. provis99 Apr 2012 #111
LOL! HangOnKids Apr 2012 #156
Nice. redqueen Apr 2012 #67
Not to mention that it's controlled by rich people whose primary interest is in elevating the value HiPointDem Apr 2012 #144
Not interested in appreciating art--just in art that appreciates n/t eridani Apr 2012 #157
First edhopper Apr 2012 #147
Interesting That Someone Up Thread Mentioned Those Exact Artists HangOnKids Apr 2012 #162
You're the only one so far to catch that pipoman Apr 2012 #195
Scram dude HangOnKids Apr 2012 #197
That's what I thought.. pipoman Apr 2012 #200
It's art edhopper Apr 2012 #217
Beauty is in the eye... pipoman Apr 2012 #218
Oh, his is bad art. edhopper Apr 2012 #221
What is art? kentuck Apr 2012 #44
this thread. uncle ray Apr 2012 #54
:D BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #212
Beats me. But I'll tell you one thing . . . Strelnikov_ Apr 2012 #89
It is a sense pipoman Apr 2012 #101
Because it's always worth celebrating when "alcoholic assholes" die in their 50s. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #50
Well said DavidDvorkin Apr 2012 #52
+1! If only TalkingDog had left off the Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #60
What did he ever do to you that you hate him that much? n/t doc03 Apr 2012 #55
Overcharged for paintings misleadingly described as originals, is all I've seen so far. redqueen Apr 2012 #56
Geez. You'd think the guy started an illegitimate war or something. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #58
Grave dancing is bad enough over politics RZM Apr 2012 #62
Unrec. emilyg Apr 2012 #63
Unrec. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #64
Why don't we have an UNREC button? n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #71
We used to. I miss it too. nt Skip Intro Apr 2012 #131
I thought his stuff was lousy. But some artists we love today were once considered trashy CTyankee Apr 2012 #75
Kincade ain't no Caravaggio. Bad behavior doesn't make a sentimentalist hack a great artist. kwassa Apr 2012 #168
Please, I didn't mean to insinuate at all that I put those two artists in the same category... CTyankee Apr 2012 #188
How nice that you've "given yourself a pass" to rip on the dead rustydog Apr 2012 #83
I have 2 of his emilyg Apr 2012 #92
...and he was a crook and a fraud marions ghost Apr 2012 #105
Hiring underpaid staff to 'touch up' reproductions and pass them off as originals is not-- eridani Apr 2012 #155
Sorry, but unless it's Hitler, Stalin liberalhistorian Apr 2012 #93
where's the rejoicing? marions ghost Apr 2012 #104
Er, in the OP ("finally," too), where grave-dancing is explicitly mentioned. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #106
Kinkade had made half a billion based on fraudulent practices by age 44 ... marions ghost Apr 2012 #112
Because to some people, what Kinkade did was 'art'. randome Apr 2012 #117
Not what I am saying... marions ghost Apr 2012 #126
The people who bought his 'art' probably didn't care if they were duped. randome Apr 2012 #141
Most people don't like to get skunked marions ghost Apr 2012 #151
^^^^THIS^^^^ n/t HangOnKids Apr 2012 #166
Glad you got that out marions ghost Apr 2012 #171
Props baby Props! n/t HangOnKids Apr 2012 #173
got it marions ghost Apr 2012 #187
Exactly. Darth_Kitten Apr 2012 #133
Wow! DU's art critics are TOUGH! TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #94
Have you seen his painting of Piss Christ? kentuck Apr 2012 #95
That's actually true about the light. Ken Kesey had an article in Whole Earth Review-- eridani Apr 2012 #164
Maybe just maybe Seedersandleechers Apr 2012 #96
Look - I don't like him any more than you. Taverner Apr 2012 #100
+1 GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #123
Get real marions ghost Apr 2012 #132
Get real, yourself. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #135
i dont "hate" the guy--he's a sad, twisted character deserving of pity marions ghost Apr 2012 #136
You "guess" is right. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #138
The "life" of a figure like Kinkade marions ghost Apr 2012 #146
He's dead. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #175
His legacy lives on marions ghost Apr 2012 #181
Empathy. Put yourself in his family's shoes... Taverner Apr 2012 #159
I have serious empathy marions ghost Apr 2012 #170
Jeez - cold - but that's just my impression here Taverner Apr 2012 #176
maybe so marions ghost Apr 2012 #184
There are better "warm and fuzzy" artists... Taverner Apr 2012 #158
Oh, for sure. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #177
I'll never forget when he forced me to by one of his paintings at gunpoint. Throd Apr 2012 #107
Un-reccing for grave dancing. nt madinmaryland Apr 2012 #110
His paintings were to the past couple of decades, what velvet Elvises were LiberalEsto Apr 2012 #114
some typical art by Kincade. provis99 Apr 2012 #115
Is that really one of Hitler's paintings??? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #130
He was not a terrible artist, his father did not want him to be Rex Apr 2012 #139
Not true. Yes, his father wanted him to be a civil servant, but didn't Cleita Apr 2012 #165
Weren't Hilter's works sold on postcards to tourists? Cleita Apr 2012 #137
Artists can be a strange lot. Always telling people what REAL art is. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #118
Your OP subject title made me laugh -- I agree with you! obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #120
K/R and good for you. A Jury LOCKED my OP for saying pretty much the same thing. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #124
Fux Noise called him one of the most influential artists of the century... joeybee12 Apr 2012 #128
I used to be an abusive, alcoholic asshole. Flying Squirrel Apr 2012 #148
excellent comment marions ghost Apr 2012 #153
It also helps if you have enough money to drink yourself to death, Cleita Apr 2012 #167
Millions of people have some of his stuff in their homes customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #174
He was never ethical in his corporate structure.... Taverner Apr 2012 #179
I used to be like that, unfortunately. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #185
well, I assume you are well out of high school and you now have the chance to really look CTyankee Apr 2012 #189
False dichotomy marions ghost Apr 2012 #186
Most Americans cannot relate to, nor afford "original art" customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #223
I realize that marions ghost Apr 2012 #231
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot...ok....this man ? I don't think so nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #191
I like him for a suicide Strelnikov_ Apr 2012 #192
An uncreative shyster. Doremus Apr 2012 #194
I for one would love to know what other random celebrities the OP has gravedancing threads on ice Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #196
What A Load Of Pants HangOnKids Apr 2012 #199
Not really. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #222
Art is like wine...without snobbery, 99% of it wouldn't exist. Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #198
I loved his art TrogL Apr 2012 #201
goodbye wannabe fascisthunter Apr 2012 #208
Thank you for this thread--I knew nothing about Kincade except that he painted those pictures... tokenlib Apr 2012 #211
So you're happy a working father of four young daughters is dead? pfitz59 Apr 2012 #214
One less thief and swindler in the world. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #220
Unrec. highplainsdem Apr 2012 #224
you just made yourself look very, very small with this OP. tiny, even. sad. dionysus Apr 2012 #225
No worries. I'm sure someone out there will be glad when you're "Dead (finally)" too. cbdo2007 Apr 2012 #232
As for his art, much like Boris Vallejo or Frank Frazetta... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #233
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