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12. We have cut our murder rate in half in the past 20 years

Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:50 AM

Jul 2014

and it continues to decline. So it is hard to argue that increased gun rights led to more deaths.

More can be done, especially when it comes to suicide prevention (two thirds of gun deaths) and illegal gun sales (fueling inner city drug violence) but concealed carry is not a problem.

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Breaking -District of Columbia's handgun ban ruled unconstitutional [View all] malaise Jul 2014 OP

of course the vampire was pleased samsingh Jul 2014 #1

You've been watching "the strain" haven't you. ;) nt Javaman Jul 2014 #121

i confess yes samsingh Jul 2014 #125

Just another POS on the pile to be reversed Loudly Jul 2014 #2

This should scare the shite out of the politicians malaise Jul 2014 #3

Well, we know that they are not capable of being Skidmore Jul 2014 #4

same with SCOTUS - the most useless of all time samsingh Jul 2014 #6

actually that's true - it balances the field samsingh Jul 2014 #5

Your post might have more credibility if you understood what you were talking about Lurks Often Jul 2014 #8

great. i'll check with the other people that told me something different. thanks for supporting the samsingh Jul 2014 #9

Interjecting facts into a discussion is not supporting the NRA Lurks Often Jul 2014 #11

What if things don't get worse? hack89 Jul 2014 #7

All depends on one's perspective Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #10

We have cut our murder rate in half in the past 20 years hack89 Jul 2014 #12

Of course it's a problem. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #13

What do you suggest as a solution? hack89 Jul 2014 #15

With sensible gun laws like the ones pretty much every other developed country has. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #20

The 2A permits the strict regulation of guns hack89 Jul 2014 #25

Except you don't have an explicit right to own a handgun. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #26

Heller is the law of the land hack89 Jul 2014 #27

I'd put it in the same category... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #33

The right wing says the same about Roe v Wade hack89 Jul 2014 #35

Not really the same logic, no Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #37

The Democratic Party platform says the 2A protects an individual right hack89 Jul 2014 #38

And? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #39

So agreeing with the president and the Democratic party makes me right wing hack89 Jul 2014 #40

I am not a member of any organised political party. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #41

But you really believe many here on DU are right wingers hack89 Jul 2014 #43

No, because partisanship doesn't correlate with "right/left". Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #45

What about someone who is pro-choice, anti-death penalty, pro-LGBT rights, and pro-gun? hack89 Jul 2014 #46

Whatever one's other positions? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #48

But to you the Democratic party's position is right wing. hack89 Jul 2014 #51

No, I haven't. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #54

"...fear tends to be a defining characteristic of right-wing politics." friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #53

I'd put it in the same category... VScott Jul 2014 #36

Siting Scalia mikeysnot Jul 2014 #76

Scalia says the 2A allows strict gun control hack89 Jul 2014 #80

well regulated, you have a problem with that... mikeysnot Jul 2014 #88

Actually I don't hack89 Jul 2014 #90

What number? I've been looking for that stat! Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #105

Yes, we've cut the murder rate from JaneyVee Jul 2014 #17

Stricter gun control laws? IronGate Jul 2014 #19

Cities that have enacted stricter gun laws JaneyVee Jul 2014 #68

Uh huh. beevul Jul 2014 #77

How does that map tell a different story? JaneyVee Jul 2014 #81

Continued cuteness, I see. beevul Jul 2014 #82

The statistics don't lie either. JaneyVee Jul 2014 #95

They sure paint a misleading picture. beevul Jul 2014 #103

Actually no - gun rights have been expanded drastically over that time frame hack89 Jul 2014 #21

Yes you have a tolerance for murder where upaloopa Jul 2014 #56

As long as it continues to decline hack89 Jul 2014 #58

I disagree upaloopa Jul 2014 #62

So lets get the ATF budget increased and focus the legal system on violent crime hack89 Jul 2014 #64

Perspective is important Lurks Often Jul 2014 #31

Yes, perspective is important Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #34

Ahh, the "those countries are inferior" argument Lurks Often Jul 2014 #50

Yes, the US murder rate is about the same as Yemen and Albania. cheapdate Jul 2014 #98

Cultural, economic & social pressures Lurks Often Jul 2014 #114

Good. linuxman Jul 2014 #14

Brilliant analysis! LOL! nt Logical Jul 2014 #24

DC may have done more to hirt gun control in this ocuntry than anyone else rdking647 Jul 2014 #16

They had a law prohibiting guns outside homes? That's basically a gun ban LittleBlue Jul 2014 #18

You were subject to arrest even if you were in your front yard IronGate Jul 2014 #23

..."to keep and bear arms." tritsofme Jul 2014 #22

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #28

Nice rant there. IronGate Jul 2014 #29

Actually, the threshold is a bit higher than 2/3rds.... S_B_Jackson Jul 2014 #104

You are correct. IronGate Jul 2014 #116

Problem solved. I can't believe no one came up with that before. badtoworse Jul 2014 #30

Interesting view, considering your handle. joeglow3 Jul 2014 #55

You noticed the irony there too? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #79

No power for you. Throd Jul 2014 #59

My power comes from my smarts, values, and ethics PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #67

What an erudite post. badtoworse Jul 2014 #69

"My power comes from my smarts, values, and ethics" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #83

Then your power needs to be recharged. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #87

I think you've suffered a power outage. Common Sense Party Jul 2014 #129

Does my gun make me a bad person? NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #100

The constitution grants no rights, so changing the constitution would remove no rights. X_Digger Jul 2014 #101

Meanwhile... VScott Jul 2014 #32

Any time gun nuts are made to respect the upaloopa Jul 2014 #57

Except those aren't gun free zones. IronGate Jul 2014 #60

Well that shows there is more work to be done upaloopa Jul 2014 #63

For the record, IronGate Jul 2014 #65

I agree with the open carry thought. upaloopa Jul 2014 #66

My husband open carries when we go to the city and circumstances merit. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #86

What circumstances? When your city is under attack? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #108

There are 100 million gun owners. If staying clear of them all is your goal Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #112

I have no issue with gun owners. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #118

"Now, do you care to answer my question?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #119

I'm not here to criticize your husband. I was just curious. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #122

"Are you referring to his fears or the fear others may have on seeing his gun?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #124

As you point out, I said "I'd rather be aware of whom I need to stay clear of." Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #126

Sounds like "Any time atheists are made to respect the wishes... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #61

Is there such a term as "anti-gun-nuts" ?nt clarice Jul 2014 #70

You can use it if you want. upaloopa Jul 2014 #72

You are right. How about meeting in the middle.... clarice Jul 2014 #74

My problem with that is law abiding people upaloopa Jul 2014 #75

New criminals are minted every day Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #109

Yes, it is a conscious choice to become one. nt clarice Jul 2014 #117

Yes, I've used the term. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #102

This is the sort of thread where I don't know if I should rec or not... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #42

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #44

And now, yours is a post I'm conflicted as to whether I should alert or not... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #47

You are free to alert or not, as you see fit friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #49

Yep...there is always that pesky 2nd amendment thingy. nt clarice Jul 2014 #71

The billionaire republican has been very effective at getting republicans elected. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #85

Yay! BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #107

Looks like it was taken care of for you. Got a slam dunk 7-0 hide. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #110

Thanks... joeybee12 Jul 2014 #120

What in the heck are you talking about?? Are you afraid that the madinmaryland Jul 2014 #84

Not worried at all, IronGate Jul 2014 #89

Thanks for the laugh! I'm just glad that someone is actually willing to spend money and take madinmaryland Jul 2014 #91

Who's giving the NRA a swift kick in the ass? IronGate Jul 2014 #92

You do not agree that the NRA and Gun Industrial Complex are a shit-stain on this country???? madinmaryland Jul 2014 #93

No, I don't agree with that sentiment. nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #94

This is how the MDA (Mothers Demand Action) protest oneshooter Jul 2014 #127

K&R Mugu Jul 2014 #52

Criminals in DC outraged over court ruling on handguns. nt clarice Jul 2014 #73

Exactly. Criminals don't like it when the good guys are armed. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #99

I remember DC in the 90s Recursion Jul 2014 #78

just what d.c. needs....guns aplenty spanone Jul 2014 #96

It certainly wasn't short of guns before Recursion Jul 2014 #106

Dumb move by DC roamer65 Jul 2014 #97

The city dug in its heels after Heller Recursion Jul 2014 #113

Peruta will be the end of "may issue" hack89 Jul 2014 #115

This is complete and utter crap BainsBane Jul 2014 #111

This is a completely reasonable ruling -- antigunsters foiled again. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #123

Good. Don't ban guns, abortions, soda, smoking, pit bulls, birth control, alcohol, etc The Straight Story Jul 2014 #128