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274. What Ana is, well an immature teen

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:12 AM

Jul 2014

In the body of an adult who is taken advantage of.

She also expects something in return. What is never clear, nor are Christian's goals clear either, outside of one thing. He is also paper thin.

Having met and worked with real abused, scared shitless women, the author does not develop that. Not one bit, not at all. It is not even cardboard, maybe pretty thin paper.

This is so shallow and badly written that I would not be using it as the example to normalize this. This is truly not your textbook example. There are far better examples of this to be honest. All this controversy is doing is making money for the author, because it is so badly written it should have sunk into the deep recesses of fandom.

Now the Twilight trilogy is a tad better at that, and actually with higher influence with the age most likely to absorb the message. You know this is read by adults, mostly women who fantasize right? Sometimes people should just let things sink back into the ooze.

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Fifty Shades of Grey depicts RAPE and has been criticized by BDSM advocates [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP

K & R In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #1

Trailer yuiyoshida Jul 2014 #180

"Red and "yellow" are the safe words they use. He does not break into her house. msanthrope Jul 2014 #2

Not according to the synopsis BainsBane Jul 2014 #3

I read the book, Bane. I didn't rely on a synopsis. I can tell you exactly why msanthrope Jul 2014 #4

+1000 Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #5

How about that? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #52

I didn't claim to be an expert BainsBane Jul 2014 #61

Two years ago? pintobean Jul 2014 #72

almost two years. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #104

Then, maybe it was almost a grudge. /nt pintobean Jul 2014 #113

I don't know. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #114

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #148

+1 BuddhaGirl Jul 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author krawhitham Jul 2014 #59

Which version did you read? BainsBane Jul 2014 #77

The published kindle version. Still no rape. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #182

I guess you didn't bother reading my post BainsBane Jul 2014 #193

Oh, I read your post. You still haven't read any version. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #197

God, no BainsBane Jul 2014 #229

Well, it would inform your argument more. There is a rape...but since you didn't bother msanthrope Jul 2014 #233

I'll do a search of academic databases to see what I turn up BainsBane Jul 2014 #234

Oh sure....you let me know what academic mental masturbation from journals you find. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #235

Ah, yes. The anti-intellectualism BainsBane Jul 2014 #239

You are directing that insult towards a woman with three graduate degrees. A woman who msanthrope Jul 2014 #249

I will join the person you are having this discussion with nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #263

Chronicling the emotional abuse and nonconsensual sexual violence by feminists and BDSM researchers, Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #265

I am reading the book right now nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #269

I told you that I had read some of it. At least 6-7 chapters of the first and a sample of chapters Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #273

What Ana is, well an immature teen nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #274

Except in her head which expresses over and over again that she is frightened. And after Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #277

And you are giving her all kinds of free marketing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #279

Indeed. The oppressed should just shut the fuck up and then magically the oppressor will stop Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #281

Well, if that is what you take from this discussion nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #283

You flat out stated that I am giving her free marketing. How do you suggest I stop doing that? Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #286

The controversy has, there is nothing you, or anybody else can do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #295

Has there ever been ANY realistic MSM portrayal of BDSM? eridani Jul 2014 #212

I doubt one could publish such a work of fiction. riqster Jul 2014 #303

The premise of the book was so stupid, I couldn't even finish reading it. justice1 Jul 2014 #177

Yes, the zip code of the person buying it. /nt Marr Jul 2014 #226

What are you saying? nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #236

The synopsis is wrong. It is consensual mainer Jul 2014 #9

At the end of the first book. bravenak Jul 2014 #11

Yeah, it's stupid. I can't believe people even bother attacking it. mainer Jul 2014 #16

Most fanfic writers are awesome. bravenak Jul 2014 #17

She didn't sign the contract until chapter 14. The rape depicted in the OP Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #67

So that rape isn't entirely invented BainsBane Jul 2014 #78

Nope. And he does break into her place. Or rather, Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #90

Thanks. BainsBane Jul 2014 #154

Someone published a journal article analyzing the behavior of a fictional character? Drahthaardogs Jul 2014 #192

Ever take a literature course? BainsBane Jul 2014 #241

Ah, it has now become apparent that you do not understand what a Journal Article represents Drahthaardogs Jul 2014 #260

Of course not, what would I know BainsBane Jul 2014 #294

Well of course you do. Drahthaardogs Jul 2014 #332

Lol pintobean Jul 2014 #336

Not quite lex Luthor V Superman nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #270

Acting like a contract actually means anything is one of the things I have against this book. moriah Jul 2014 #98

I don't know, it seems pretty "rapey" to me Revanchist Jul 2014 #6

I'm telling you now: Give up. They do not care. redqueen Jul 2014 #12

Redqueen, as a feminist, I find your accusations offensive and facile. msanthrope Jul 2014 #15

Even if it is consensual sex it still begs the question as to why people are aroused by it . . . kickitup Jul 2014 #19

Great post, thanks. Zorra Jul 2014 #22

I don't think it's cultural or patriarchal, pipoman Jul 2014 #247

Maybe so, maybe not. But I don't believe that comparing human behavior with the behavior of Zorra Jul 2014 #258

+1 treestar Jul 2014 #28

I'm not masochistic, but I am submissive. moriah Jul 2014 #37

Well I admit I don't understand it treestar Jul 2014 #39

Controlled painful stimulation releases endorphins, sometimes quite intensely. moriah Jul 2014 #40

Good information treestar Jul 2014 #42

You never had a wild night and just wanted to smack that! snooper2 Jul 2014 #251

+a zillion lunasun Jul 2014 #178

If it bothers you that you like it, either don't practice it or see a therapist. moriah Jul 2014 #32

and don't think about it? BainsBane Jul 2014 #84

She said it bothered HER that she was aroused by it. moriah Jul 2014 #87

It doesn't bother me to the point of seeing a therapist . . . Jesus Christ. kickitup Jul 2014 #129

You're not supposed to judge sexual activity or desire BainsBane Jul 2014 #162

I would never tell someone who had not asked for my advice BainsBane Jul 2014 #163

Jury results. pintobean Jul 2014 #100

Wow, first time I think I've been alerted on. moriah Jul 2014 #101

I didn't alert anyone about your post. I also didn't ask you to tell me why I'm aroused by anything kickitup Jul 2014 #131

I didn't say it needed to bother you. kickitup Jul 2014 #130

Yet some are aroused at the idea of whipping their spouse, and so is their spouse, and they.... moriah Jul 2014 #133

You are really making some assumptions that I don't think my original post merits. kickitup Jul 2014 #139

Your post, while claiming to not be from the morality police, pretty much asked ... moriah Jul 2014 #140

The assumption you are making and that I was alluding to is about my sexuality. kickitup Jul 2014 #156

Why do some people like hot peppers? Does it really matter? mainer Jul 2014 #36

and not everyone sees self-reflection BainsBane Jul 2014 #85

Yeah, I really need to spend a lifetime wondering about chili peppers mainer Jul 2014 #86

I certainly don't, and as someone with a graduate degree in literary studies I have been trained . . kickitup Jul 2014 #136

I see it as part of BainsBane Jul 2014 #166

I'll navel gaze at whatever I like. kickitup Jul 2014 #132

Your post was thoughtful BainsBane Jul 2014 #165

For me the answer to this is easy. Notafraidtoo Jul 2014 #102

I had heard/read that the popularity Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #211

May I offer you an answer? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #276

Wow! Imagine that! NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #57

I tried to read it but it set off sirens of triggers. Ohio State researchers did a great job Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #127

"Christian Gray" is a fictional character ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #173

Humbert Humbert is a fictional character. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #194

Being as fictional characters are ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #203

I can assure you I do. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #214

This was not a discussion ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #221

Apparently we also disagree on what 'discussion' means. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #237

Then why does anyone bother to study literature, let alone for years and years cui bono Jul 2014 #217

I am not saying characters cannot be studied. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #222

Ohio State researchers exposed the normalization of abuse. And their point we are the component of Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #218

This topic is very obviously upsetting you. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #220

Such compassion BainsBane Jul 2014 #231

I ended my discussion with LuminousAnimal ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #261

I was not upset by the exchange WE were having. I read some of the book but better still Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #262

No, I didn't think it was our ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #267

As a feminist I object to the sexualization of abusive behavior. I do not object to mutual agreed Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #268

"If engaging in such activism is futile ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #271

I can and will protest against portrayals of abused women as normal. As have any other oppressed Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #275

I am not questioning what you do ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #278

Well, I've reached three people via PM, none of which have posted on this thread, which is not Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #280

The people who have read this book ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #282

The people who enjoyed minstrel shows and the black people who participated in them Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #284

That's a pretty ridiculous comparison ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #285

Illustrate how it is a ridiculous comparison. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #287

Uh, no. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #288

Thanks for admitting that you can't. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #290

There is a difference between "can't" and "won't". NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #291

Indeed. I understand that you won't. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #293

What might be fine in one's fantasy life Warpy Jul 2014 #292

My only disagreement is piss poor writing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #272

I suggest you read the whole scene as opposed to cherry-picked msanthrope Jul 2014 #13

Isn't this also after she knows she can safeword? moriah Jul 2014 #26

She knows she can say no. The safeword happens later, when she consents to msanthrope Jul 2014 #49

A bit OT ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #228

What version did you read, It has been revised 3 or 4 times krawhitham Jul 2014 #60

Thankfully, we have BDSM experts who speak for everyone invloved in the activity AngryAmish Jul 2014 #7

I thought it was all consensual in the book mainer Jul 2014 #8

If the synopsis accurately depicted events in the book I would agree with you. But ... 11 Bravo Jul 2014 #10

I applaud you for trying. redqueen Jul 2014 #14

Really? hootinholler Jul 2014 #69

Interesting how the rape you claim never occured BainsBane Jul 2014 #81

You know he can't reply to you pintobean Jul 2014 #82

BDSM advocates maced666 Jul 2014 #18

Generally speaking, the subs in the relationship hold the power The Straight Story Jul 2014 #21

It's not worth trying. It's amazing how many people who aren't into BDSM find it so easy... moriah Jul 2014 #24

No no, I don't pretend to know anything about it. maced666 Jul 2014 #43

This Dom ... CaptainTruth Jul 2014 #138

What you have said conforms pretty much with many of the articles BainsBane Jul 2014 #143

Evidently exploring one's emotions in regard to sex is a reason to see a therapist . . . kickitup Jul 2014 #158

I wish there were more Doms around :p darkangel218 Jul 2014 #161

Not familiar with collarme ... CaptainTruth Jul 2014 #215

Yet you get offended when I suggest we examine these things. kickitup Jul 2014 #157

A question about submissives. mainer Jul 2014 #244

This is what several female subs have told me. CaptainTruth Jul 2014 #248

I'm disabled, my partner has a lot more IRL responsibility. moriah Jul 2014 #250

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #20

So you haven't actually read the book then. zappaman Jul 2014 #23

Nor have all the people who posted in support of the book BainsBane Jul 2014 #62

Don't like it? 99Forever Jul 2014 #25

Don't like Fox News, don't watch it. Problem solved BainsBane Jul 2014 #70

Ahhh... 99Forever Jul 2014 #89

Nope, just pointing out an obvious contradiction BainsBane Jul 2014 #91

I already gave you my response. It was my first post in this thread. 99Forever Jul 2014 #96

Define what "impos(ing) (one's) tastes on everyone else" is. alp227 Jul 2014 #146

Oh please. 99Forever Jul 2014 #151

Well, define what your phrase about imposing tastes means! Burden of proof is on the speaker, always alp227 Jul 2014 #153

You apparently ... 99Forever Jul 2014 #159

Does anyone have the jury results pintobean Jul 2014 #27

+1 treestar Jul 2014 #29

I would like to see it too Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #30

Apparently it's mission accomplished hootinholler Jul 2014 #38

Has the OP deleted embarassing posts before? nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #47

Not all of them. /nt pintobean Jul 2014 #48

Especially when they have had their ass handed to them. hootinholler Jul 2014 #63

Yup Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #238

Yeah. Why was that hidden? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #41

+1 nt Zorra Jul 2014 #45

Here are the jury results for LadyHawkAZ's hidden post pintobean Jul 2014 #55

Sadly it just proves that there are some people who can't handle mythology Jul 2014 #76

Agree. Here's another - Hoot's pintobean Jul 2014 #80

+1, yes-- incredibly hypocritical. Marr Jul 2014 #227

Jury decisions seem to have come down to My Clique vs. Your Clique. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #253

Indeed In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #259

yes and my last two are testimony to that end. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #306

And Clique A wields a lot of power. They seem to be more dedicated. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #312

They have a lot of players in positions of power Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #317

Her last two had nothing to do with cliques pintobean Jul 2014 #337

I hope you aren't pretending that you don't recognize that one group here rhett o rick Jul 2014 #338

Ah, that word "dismissive", seen that tossed about a bit The Straight Story Jul 2014 #116

Horrible hide. It's agenda driven, look at the wording. one_voice Jul 2014 #141

Yes, it's agenda driven. pintobean Jul 2014 #142

Right. Complaining about the mention of Dworkin while simultaenously pulling "MRA" out of thin air. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #187

Who in the hell alerted on that?? Sissyk Jul 2014 #196

Right?!?... one_voice Jul 2014 #202

There are some people in this world, Sissyk Jul 2014 #206

That was a malicious alert. Buying a clue for Juror #1 Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #240

Terrible hide. zappaman Jul 2014 #313

I'm with you pintobean. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #252

Trying to shame and control what women like and want to do Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #31

And how exactly am I "trying to shame women"? BainsBane Jul 2014 #71

False equivalence - when women are conned into liking a book that allegedly glamourizes rape... alp227 Jul 2014 #147

Wow pintobean Jul 2014 #150

women are "conned into liking a book"? Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #188

Slick marketing and taking advantage of a populace that is not well-informed about sex, alp227 Jul 2014 #189

I don't buy it. I seriously doubt you can blame the popularity of 50 shades on 'abstinence only' Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #190

Regardless, my OP makes no comment on what women should or shouldn't 't like BainsBane Jul 2014 #191

You have not read it, have you? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #299

I have to laugh Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #33

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #34

I told you in that other thread not to post random wiki-structured websites LittleBlue Jul 2014 #35

Actually one person read it and criticizes it BainsBane Jul 2014 #64

it is only a story right? samsingh Jul 2014 #44

Do you believe that pedophilia fiction is OK? CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #50

I'm going to need a citation on that. Last time I read any pedophilia fiction it was not only... JVS Jul 2014 #54

Sigh. "Lolita" is actually about Old Europe and Young America REP Jul 2014 #73

And pedophilia relates how to consensual activities among Adults of decision-making age? brooklynite Jul 2014 #79

It relates to the point that because it is fictional it does not hurt anyone. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #107

Perhaps if YOU "read the thing" brooklynite Jul 2014 #164

i don't think pedophile fiction is acceptable samsingh Jul 2014 #103

Nope, but according to another OP BainsBane Jul 2014 #95

So sick of this shit Z_California Jul 2014 #46

Please, don't judge all DU feminists by the random opinions of a few. Zorra Jul 2014 #53

There are at lest three different versions of the book BainsBane Jul 2014 #66

I asked a guy at the bookstore about the trilogy mainer Jul 2014 #97

thank you samsingh Jul 2014 #105

No they aren't in book burning territory treestar Jul 2014 #124

Haven't read it.. have no plans to read it..for one simple reason Peacetrain Jul 2014 #51

I enjoyed Dave Barry's comments. LWolf Jul 2014 #58

OMG that is fookin' hilarious..... MADem Jul 2014 #65

I thought so. LWolf Jul 2014 #68

The "spoiler" bit is fricken PRICELESS...... MADem Jul 2014 #75

I can't get the video to play BainsBane Jul 2014 #83

I have not, will not, read it. If it is nonconsensual, that is wrong and bullshit. If consensual, uppityperson Jul 2014 #74

eh Adam051188 Jul 2014 #88

This demands Kirsten Wiig's SNL skit... mainer Jul 2014 #92

Okay...I nearly peed myself watching that! nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #181

So in this case, the BDSM community has a voice worth listening to? Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #93

Can you provide links of such arguments? BainsBane Jul 2014 #94

I didnt. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #99

You didn't attribute them to me BainsBane Jul 2014 #108

Nope. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #110

Then I suggest you take your charges of hypocrisy BainsBane Jul 2014 #118

It makes perfect sense in the larger discussion, since you brought up the BDSM community. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #121

Then I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of the word hypocrisy BainsBane Jul 2014 #149

I haven't said anyone is "all the same", nor have I accused you of hypocrisy. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #152

Actually your OP criticizes a work of fiction. A book. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #115

Yes, but yesterday you seemed to think the controversy was about BainsBane Jul 2014 #117

Entirely different context. NaturalHigh Jul 2014 #120

Is there some reason you had the impression I believed BainsBane Jul 2014 #144

Let's get something straight (no puns intended) the BSDM "Community" is outraged at this OP. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #254

This is basically like saying that porn isn't a realistic portrayal of sex (duh!) Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #106

Lots of books depict rape My Good Babushka Jul 2014 #109

Who said anything about banning the book? BainsBane Jul 2014 #112

The BDSM community has no special claim to literary criticism. nt. My Good Babushka Jul 2014 #119

From one non-sequitur to another BainsBane Jul 2014 #123

I'm responding to the OP My Good Babushka Jul 2014 #128

Kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #111

Thanks, William BainsBane Jul 2014 #122

Pardon my Language, but no fucking bullies are going to run me off. William769 Jul 2014 #125

Recommend. Rape apologists? Wow. LexVegas Jul 2014 #126

As an aside to the above, and possibly worth noting in discussions around this: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #134

Read Jenny Trout's chapter-by-chapter 'recaps' of 50 Shades Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #135

I like Jenny's critique but I like this woman's better Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #155

Yes, thank you--quite lengthy but well presented. Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #175

I read the book. newcriminal Jul 2014 #137

Many who have read the book disagree with you BainsBane Jul 2014 #145

I got my book. newcriminal Jul 2014 #160

Paperback version? BainsBane Jul 2014 #167

So your op is either misleading or just wrong. newcriminal Jul 2014 #168

Based on your interpetation? BainsBane Jul 2014 #169

Right go ahead and start crap about a book that you haven't even read. newcriminal Jul 2014 #171

None of the other OPs about this book, except for one, have read it either BainsBane Jul 2014 #176

I'm talking about your ORIGINAL POST you said," newcriminal Jul 2014 #179

Others who have read the book disagree BainsBane Jul 2014 #183

Again YOU are hiding behind other's views about a book you haven't even read. newcriminal Jul 2014 #185

I have read the real book. Not some online version which no longer exists. mainer Jul 2014 #242

I don't actually know BainsBane Jul 2014 #245

There was a rape for sure... one_voice Jul 2014 #170

This was discussed in the book, it didn't take place in the book. The op is about Christian newcriminal Jul 2014 #172

I understand that... one_voice Jul 2014 #174

16 threads on this on the first page of GD. All gone now. Let's make it 17. Bye! Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #184

There have been several since mine was posted BainsBane Jul 2014 #186

I don't give a shit, either way. Quantess Jul 2014 #195

"Fifty Shades of Grey depicts RAPE and has been criticized by BDSM advocates"...... Sissyk Jul 2014 #198

Why do you feel compelled to leave a note for a jury? BainsBane Jul 2014 #199

I don't think a jury would hide. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #200

I can't see why anyone would alert BainsBane Jul 2014 #205

And that's when they get you. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #207

So true BainsBane Jul 2014 #210

Because I can. Sissyk Jul 2014 #201

Not my term BainsBane Jul 2014 #204

You are the one that repeated that term. Sissyk Jul 2014 #208

Yes, since it was used in the one OP BainsBane Jul 2014 #209

This is a different OP. Is it not? Yours? Sissyk Jul 2014 #213

It isn't in my OP. BainsBane Jul 2014 #225

But you wouldn't know if the author read the book zappaman Jul 2014 #223

Go tell that to others have posted about it BainsBane Jul 2014 #224

I don't need trash in my life. 840high Jul 2014 #216

i had to look it up to see what all the hoopla was for. "erotic romance novel" ok, a fiction story. Sunlei Jul 2014 #219

As soon as I heard of this book... Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #230

I can count on one hand the books I was unable to finish... bobGandolf Jul 2014 #232

The book was wildly popular in Europe. mainer Jul 2014 #243

That may be true in real life BainsBane Jul 2014 #246

I have never read the book but have been with a lot of women who have. dilby Jul 2014 #255

Is "Blurred Lines" on the soundtrack? KamaAina Jul 2014 #256

Let me see if I get your point here. You are outraged about a book that you haven't read. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #257

I'd say you missed the point quite completely BainsBane Jul 2014 #289

You haven't yet given me a valid point. If you wanted to say that criticism of the book and film rhett o rick Jul 2014 #325

How does that article disparage the BDSM community? BainsBane Jul 2014 #327

huh? What makes you ask that? nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #333

Here BainsBane Jul 2014 #335

You got it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #297

You are not qualified to speak for me BainsBane Jul 2014 #300

I am not talking for you, I am talking for me (how not progressive) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #301

There is a vast body of academic feminist scholarship regarding romance novels. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #315

Of course it makes no sense (Like always) nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #316

Rape... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #318

Unlike you, I have read two thirds of the book already nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #319

Rape... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #320

What part of I am bothering with the actual book are you still nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #323

You really have to read it yourself. newcriminal Jul 2014 #328

It is truly bizarre, planting the flag on something they have not even nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #330

That is fine don't read it, but don't keep insisting that you know what is in there if you haven't. newcriminal Jul 2014 #331

I really do not get what the objective of this is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #334

In in which Ohio State researchers outline 3 insistences of non-consenual sexual violence... Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #321

Again, same piece you keep throwing when people tell you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #322

Somehow, I don't think de Sade used 'safe words' JCMach1 Jul 2014 #264

Indeed. A friend of mine was murdered while hanging from her restraints. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #266

the book should be retitled "the vapid and the sociopath". nt Javaman Jul 2014 #296

That would be a good tittle nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #298

Don't read the book then AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #302

Yeah, way to miss the point BainsBane Jul 2014 #304

Why do you keep insisting that there is a rape in the book? newcriminal Jul 2014 #305

I know, it's ridiculous BuddhaGirl Jul 2014 #307

The thought police AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #310

Narrative driven folk tend to be drama queens AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #309

While in college nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #314

So you haven't read it? AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #308

I will have to ask you where is the rape nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #311

You said "hard". Kaleva Jul 2014 #329

I gotta ask cwydro Jul 2014 #324

Fifty Shades of Grey is Fiction... gcomeau Jul 2014 #326