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eridani

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164. That's actually true about the light. Ken Kesey had an article in Whole Earth Review--

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:41 PM

Apr 2012

--years ago, where he described how he fell asleep in front of the TV one night and woke up in a daze thinking he was seeing a vision of the crucified Christ glowing golden. Only on becoming fully awake did he realize that he was watching a news program about the Piss Christ.

BTW, Serrano is actually a practicing Catholic, and supposedly his goal here was to point out that most Christians don't take the doctrine of incarnation all that seriously. At one of our art festival weekends, I saw another in the series--an intaglio pressing of an image of Christ on paper that he called Milk Christ. That one didn't stir up as much controversy for some reason.

Me, when I first heard of it, I thought of the Taoist proverb "Where is the Tao? In urine and excrement. Cleave the rock--there am I."

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'mall art' Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2012 #16

I always though Picasso and Andy Warhol were garbage. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #113

Do You Often Though? HangOnKids Apr 2012 #149

Please tell me what I should think is good art. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #154

No Snake HangOnKids Apr 2012 #160

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You suppose incorrectly. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #203

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Many "artists" seem to be able to tell. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #210

They've never been my favourites either. polly7 Apr 2012 #230

Bait and Switch, Misrepresented, Scammer Trash on Canvas... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #127

And he's so different from the rest of the art world -- how? It's a seething pit of corruption. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #140

Call Your CongressPerson Right Now!!!! HangOnKids Apr 2012 #150

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I thought he was already dead tularetom Apr 2012 #4

Is this an opportunity for you to show us how much 'in the know' you are? randome Apr 2012 #5

Van Gogh edhopper Apr 2012 #9

I agree about the skill. Or lack of it. randome Apr 2012 #31

I agree, edhopper Apr 2012 #121

Did somebody just insert Van Gogh into a thread about the hack-scammer-fraud, Kinkade? NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #143

are you comparing kpete Apr 2012 #13

I am not comparing other than to point out that both were painters. randome Apr 2012 #29

How many people did Van Gogh defraud? nt. Mariana Apr 2012 #33

Hey, I'm no expert on either van Gogh or Kincade. randome Apr 2012 #34

Kinkade defrauded lots of people. Mariana Apr 2012 #163

+1! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #45

That "Just because a dog can talk......." line is about as on the mark as anything I've ever heard! WillowTree Apr 2012 #73

Well, it may only have relevance... randome Apr 2012 #81

Did Van Gogh create such draconian contractual obligations that he bankrupted thousands TalkingDog Apr 2012 #78

pablo picasso was never called an asshole frylock Apr 2012 #98

+1 FSogol Apr 2012 #229

-1000 I don't like Kinkade paintings, either. MineralMan Apr 2012 #6

Thanks, and I agree. Very unnecessary. nt babylonsister Apr 2012 #10

babylonsister kpete Apr 2012 #24

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okay kpete Apr 2012 #47

I know what you mean, kpete... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #48

Wat redqueen Apr 2012 #53

I'd like to engage with you Redqueen, but Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #57

Sorry... redqueen Apr 2012 #59

Right, now I understand! Here are just a couple of Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #69

Thank you! redqueen Apr 2012 #77

"colors affect your emotional and physical health." dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #183

I agree. Any classical music or The Blues makes me literally nauseas. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #116

When you say "classical" music what exactly are you talking about? CTyankee Apr 2012 #190

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+1000 IDemo Apr 2012 #12

I was wondering what was so terrible about him that could warrant this. redqueen Apr 2012 #14

I agree. Thank you. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #18

Someone who has his "art" in 1 in 20 households in America IS important marions ghost Apr 2012 #72

Nonsense. People buy what they like. MineralMan Apr 2012 #74

Read up on how he defrauded his gallery investors marions ghost Apr 2012 #76

And THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout.... TalkingDog Apr 2012 #79

It's not what you're talking about. It's how you're talking about it. MineralMan Apr 2012 #86

No, Kinkade is not OK with me. But you know what's more not OK? MineralMan Apr 2012 #84

Censorship is not OK either-- marions ghost Apr 2012 #102

Word! Fraudster!!! Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #88

It is not grave dancing to speak the truth of someone obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #125

Kinkade was a charlatan, he died, no dancing, the end. nt crunch60 Apr 2012 #207

thank you for putting "art" in quotations magical thyme Apr 2012 #80

+1,000 ! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #85

Major Props to your post obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #122

thanks marions ghost Apr 2012 #134

+1000 Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #129

Nicely put. Thank you. cordelia Apr 2012 #108

I happen to like Kinkade paintings. Archae Apr 2012 #7

Art is subjective, so you can like whatever art you want to lilke.. But I am not a snob crunch60 Apr 2012 #205

54 and natural causes? Iris Apr 2012 #8

Sadly, lots of people die in their 50s of natural causes. MineralMan Apr 2012 #22

Word is he was an alcoholic. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #70

I never knew that kitsch was a natural cause Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #11

it can kpete Apr 2012 #15

OMG talk about grave dancing proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #17

i liked his stuff 90-percent Apr 2012 #19

One of my closest friends is a gifted painter proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #28

Read up on Kinkade--he was a scoundrel marions ghost Apr 2012 #97

"Being defrauded is awful enough, but doing it in the name of God is really despicable." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2012 #172

not surprised marions ghost Apr 2012 #178

L&O:SVU 90-percent Apr 2012 #216

Agree, 90%, with your assessment Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #51

LOL! randome Apr 2012 #61

No, of course you don't, and nor do I... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #82

Agree with that, too. randome Apr 2012 #87

Also very important-- Rockwell actually PAINTED his paintings... marions ghost Apr 2012 #103

+1,000 ! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #119

yes, Rockwell chronicled great social changes of his era... grasswire Apr 2012 #145

Norman Rockwell was a real artist, not a scammer eridani Apr 2012 #142

How was he abusive? redqueen Apr 2012 #20

It's a combination of his nauseating art and his fraudulent business practices, I think. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #180

He was no Bob Ross. edbermac Apr 2012 #21

Something ANY "series" artists should see... Hubert Flottz Apr 2012 #43

Bob Ross' schtick was teaching other people to paint XemaSab Apr 2012 #109

There are times you just have to tell it like it is and damn the torpedos. Excellant post. hayrow1 Apr 2012 #23

Did he run over your dog or something? Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #25

He peed on Winnie the Pooh. progressoid Apr 2012 #66

He was only 54 years old. I'm 54 years old. I never liked his work, but this post is insensitive. slackmaster Apr 2012 #26

It is also a dupe thread Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #27

No it is not, it is an opinion piece about Tom Kincade HangOnKids Apr 2012 #152

Kincade was to art what cotton candy is to nutrition. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #30

Really? "Finally"? Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #32

He was however, a scam artist and a fraudster...n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #90

so that makes it okay to cheer his death? what is wrong with you? dionysus Apr 2012 #226

No cheering and nothing wrong, dionysus--just a reaffirmation Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #227

i agree he seems to have been a rotten guy, i just find the zeal with which some folks seem to be dionysus Apr 2012 #228

Very very ugly... He was only 54. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #35

You've been waiting for him to die? Iggo Apr 2012 #36

Hate is an acid that destroys the vessel in which it is stored......n/t Rowdyboy Apr 2012 #37

Who? ElboRuum Apr 2012 #38

What an assholish way to announce someone's death. You should be ashamed of yourself. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #39

My sentiments exactly Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #68

I have no idea about his business practices or personal problems, but polly7 Apr 2012 #40

Agree about the quality of his commercial Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #41

History is littered with dead artists who, during their lifetime necessarily pipoman Apr 2012 #42

Most excellent post. Atman Apr 2012 #49

Yeah, these people remind me pipoman Apr 2012 #65

Maybe you should avoid cigar bars. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #91

Who complained about cigar smoke? pipoman Apr 2012 #99

actually, YOU complained about cigar smoke. provis99 Apr 2012 #111

LOL! HangOnKids Apr 2012 #156

Nice. redqueen Apr 2012 #67

Not to mention that it's controlled by rich people whose primary interest is in elevating the value HiPointDem Apr 2012 #144

Not interested in appreciating art--just in art that appreciates n/t eridani Apr 2012 #157

First edhopper Apr 2012 #147

Interesting That Someone Up Thread Mentioned Those Exact Artists HangOnKids Apr 2012 #162

You're the only one so far to catch that pipoman Apr 2012 #195

Scram dude HangOnKids Apr 2012 #197

That's what I thought.. pipoman Apr 2012 #200

It's art edhopper Apr 2012 #217

Beauty is in the eye... pipoman Apr 2012 #218

Oh, his is bad art. edhopper Apr 2012 #221

What is art? kentuck Apr 2012 #44

this thread. uncle ray Apr 2012 #54

:D BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #212

Beats me. But I'll tell you one thing . . . Strelnikov_ Apr 2012 #89

It is a sense pipoman Apr 2012 #101

Because it's always worth celebrating when "alcoholic assholes" die in their 50s. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #50

Well said DavidDvorkin Apr 2012 #52

+1! If only TalkingDog had left off the Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #60

What did he ever do to you that you hate him that much? n/t doc03 Apr 2012 #55

Overcharged for paintings misleadingly described as originals, is all I've seen so far. redqueen Apr 2012 #56

Geez. You'd think the guy started an illegitimate war or something. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #58

Grave dancing is bad enough over politics RZM Apr 2012 #62

Unrec. emilyg Apr 2012 #63

Unrec. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #64

Why don't we have an UNREC button? n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #71

We used to. I miss it too. nt Skip Intro Apr 2012 #131

I thought his stuff was lousy. But some artists we love today were once considered trashy CTyankee Apr 2012 #75

Kincade ain't no Caravaggio. Bad behavior doesn't make a sentimentalist hack a great artist. kwassa Apr 2012 #168

Please, I didn't mean to insinuate at all that I put those two artists in the same category... CTyankee Apr 2012 #188

How nice that you've "given yourself a pass" to rip on the dead rustydog Apr 2012 #83

I have 2 of his emilyg Apr 2012 #92

...and he was a crook and a fraud marions ghost Apr 2012 #105

Hiring underpaid staff to 'touch up' reproductions and pass them off as originals is not-- eridani Apr 2012 #155

Sorry, but unless it's Hitler, Stalin liberalhistorian Apr 2012 #93

where's the rejoicing? marions ghost Apr 2012 #104

Er, in the OP ("finally," too), where grave-dancing is explicitly mentioned. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #106

Kinkade had made half a billion based on fraudulent practices by age 44 ... marions ghost Apr 2012 #112

Because to some people, what Kinkade did was 'art'. randome Apr 2012 #117

Not what I am saying... marions ghost Apr 2012 #126

The people who bought his 'art' probably didn't care if they were duped. randome Apr 2012 #141

Most people don't like to get skunked marions ghost Apr 2012 #151

^^^^THIS^^^^ n/t HangOnKids Apr 2012 #166

Glad you got that out marions ghost Apr 2012 #171

Props baby Props! n/t HangOnKids Apr 2012 #173

got it marions ghost Apr 2012 #187

Exactly. Darth_Kitten Apr 2012 #133

Wow! DU's art critics are TOUGH! TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #94

Have you seen his painting of Piss Christ? kentuck Apr 2012 #95

That's actually true about the light. Ken Kesey had an article in Whole Earth Review-- eridani Apr 2012 #164

Maybe just maybe Seedersandleechers Apr 2012 #96

Look - I don't like him any more than you. Taverner Apr 2012 #100

+1 GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #123

Get real marions ghost Apr 2012 #132

Get real, yourself. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #135

i dont "hate" the guy--he's a sad, twisted character deserving of pity marions ghost Apr 2012 #136

You "guess" is right. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #138

The "life" of a figure like Kinkade marions ghost Apr 2012 #146

He's dead. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #175

His legacy lives on marions ghost Apr 2012 #181

Empathy. Put yourself in his family's shoes... Taverner Apr 2012 #159

I have serious empathy marions ghost Apr 2012 #170

Jeez - cold - but that's just my impression here Taverner Apr 2012 #176

maybe so marions ghost Apr 2012 #184

There are better "warm and fuzzy" artists... Taverner Apr 2012 #158

Oh, for sure. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #177

I'll never forget when he forced me to by one of his paintings at gunpoint. Throd Apr 2012 #107

Un-reccing for grave dancing. nt madinmaryland Apr 2012 #110

His paintings were to the past couple of decades, what velvet Elvises were LiberalEsto Apr 2012 #114

some typical art by Kincade. provis99 Apr 2012 #115

Is that really one of Hitler's paintings??? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #130

He was not a terrible artist, his father did not want him to be Rex Apr 2012 #139

Not true. Yes, his father wanted him to be a civil servant, but didn't Cleita Apr 2012 #165

Weren't Hilter's works sold on postcards to tourists? Cleita Apr 2012 #137

Artists can be a strange lot. Always telling people what REAL art is. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #118

Your OP subject title made me laugh -- I agree with you! obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #120

K/R and good for you. A Jury LOCKED my OP for saying pretty much the same thing. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #124

Fux Noise called him one of the most influential artists of the century... joeybee12 Apr 2012 #128

I used to be an abusive, alcoholic asshole. Flying Squirrel Apr 2012 #148

excellent comment marions ghost Apr 2012 #153

It also helps if you have enough money to drink yourself to death, Cleita Apr 2012 #167

Millions of people have some of his stuff in their homes customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #174

He was never ethical in his corporate structure.... Taverner Apr 2012 #179

I used to be like that, unfortunately. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #185

well, I assume you are well out of high school and you now have the chance to really look CTyankee Apr 2012 #189

False dichotomy marions ghost Apr 2012 #186

Most Americans cannot relate to, nor afford "original art" customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #223

I realize that marions ghost Apr 2012 #231

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot...ok....this man ? I don't think so nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #191

I like him for a suicide Strelnikov_ Apr 2012 #192

An uncreative shyster. Doremus Apr 2012 #194

I for one would love to know what other random celebrities the OP has gravedancing threads on ice Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #196

What A Load Of Pants HangOnKids Apr 2012 #199

Not really. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #222

Art is like wine...without snobbery, 99% of it wouldn't exist. Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #198

I loved his art TrogL Apr 2012 #201

goodbye wannabe fascisthunter Apr 2012 #208

Thank you for this thread--I knew nothing about Kincade except that he painted those pictures... tokenlib Apr 2012 #211

So you're happy a working father of four young daughters is dead? pfitz59 Apr 2012 #214

One less thief and swindler in the world. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #220

Unrec. highplainsdem Apr 2012 #224

you just made yourself look very, very small with this OP. tiny, even. sad. dionysus Apr 2012 #225

No worries. I'm sure someone out there will be glad when you're "Dead (finally)" too. cbdo2007 Apr 2012 #232

As for his art, much like Boris Vallejo or Frank Frazetta... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #233