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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
96. So what?
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jul 2014

You seem to be confused.

First off, there are a lot of "non-profit businesses". All that means is that they don't pay shareholders. The guy who runs Goodwill Industries is extremely wealthy, for example.

Not all "non-profit businesses" are tax exempt. There are a lot of political non-profits, and they pay taxes.

"Non-profit business" is not a phrase which is congruent with "charity".

The tax code of this country provides a tax exemption to some non-profit businesses, so long as they do not participate in politics. If they participate in political activities, they pay taxes just like all political non-profits.

Churches are not tax exempt because of the First Amendment. They are tax exempt because they fall in with other non-political non-profit organizations. They LOSE that status when they participate in politics.

But your understanding is pretty amusing.

There is no difference between going to a theatrical performance, and paying money to do so, and going to a church, and paying to do so. In the first example, the money goes into the pocket of the theater owner who pays expenses and keeps the rest. In the second example, the money goes into the pockets of whomever runs the church, who pays expenses and keeps the rest.

What you are missing in your "not supposed to be" is that charities are not supposed to be endorsing politicians either. If they do, they get taxed. There is nothing special about whether it is a "church", a "fraternity", or any other species of non-profit business. In order to maintain their tax exempt status, they have to stay out of politics.




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Who else would love to use the "vacancy in the position" excuse closeupready Jul 2014 #1
sorry i forgot our anniversary, honey. there was a vacancy in that position. unblock Jul 2014 #4
Wingnuts always have a vacancy in the position... riqster Jul 2014 #14
Right, lol? I would have taken a shower, but there was a vacancy in the position. closeupready Jul 2014 #25
vacancy in the position navarth Jul 2014 #37
2012 + 2014 Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #116
a tiny step in the right direction. of course there's an easy way around this. unblock Jul 2014 #2
True. But any action is welcome. riqster Jul 2014 #13
This could also put the brakes on "Souls to the Polls." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #23
No, that is pure GOTV. The preacher can say "get on the bus and vote" riqster Jul 2014 #28
But if S2P were shut down which party would be most impacted? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #43
If? Obviously Dems. But the ruling doesn't allow it. riqster Jul 2014 #50
Go vote and render unto Caesar is not the same as Go vote...for So and So!!! MADem Jul 2014 #144
I agree that is a way around but..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #115
Quite true. And conversations that are not part of the pastoral role are OK. riqster Jul 2014 #121
the pastor can always lay in on thick when introducing the lay person who will endorse a candidate. unblock Jul 2014 #128
More republicon obstruction. They are sly and evil. WhiteTara Jul 2014 #3
They fight on multiple fronts. riqster Jul 2014 #12
yep barbtries Jul 2014 #39
Yeah because they know black pastors will try and get Dems to vote. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2014 #5
That branch tends to be more GOTV oriented. riqster Jul 2014 #9
Then there's the Coalition of African-American Pastors Brother Buzz Jul 2014 #27
The Eric Holder Hate is strong there... freshwest Jul 2014 #34
This is a step in the right direction el_bryanto Jul 2014 #6
Yep. More steps are needed, but this is a big start, riqster Jul 2014 #125
And on the right, the wailing and gnashing of teeth Skidmore Jul 2014 #7
Yep. historylovr Jul 2014 #8
I didn't know about this lawsuit.... Punkingal Jul 2014 #10
Yeah, that seems possible. riqster Jul 2014 #11
I might actually start going to church. obxhead Jul 2014 #15
That is an intriguing idea. riqster Jul 2014 #16
hee-hee. Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #24
Be careful. The lay leader might be armed. riqster Jul 2014 #46
another win for the FFRF! RussBLib Jul 2014 #17
I may just join up. riqster Jul 2014 #18
The fundie churches have an annual defy-the-IRS event starroute Jul 2014 #19
That will hopefully slow down a bit, when this decision is operationalized. riqster Jul 2014 #36
I live in the Florida Panhandle packman Jul 2014 #20
Yeah, we are seeing them in Ohio as well. riqster Jul 2014 #35
I live in the PNW and saw businesses posting signs saying voters would go to hell voting for Gore... freshwest Jul 2014 #41
That is legal joeglow3 Jul 2014 #47
I know what you're saying packman Jul 2014 #57
I was shocked Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #133
Just remember this "God speaks through righteous Republicans" is an anagram for MADem Jul 2014 #147
Finally! nt 7wo7rees Jul 2014 #21
Hallelujah! Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #22
Praise The Lord and pass the casserole. riqster Jul 2014 #33
About time! Squinch Jul 2014 #26
Got that right. riqster Jul 2014 #30
Ever heard of The Pacific Justice Institute? herding cats Jul 2014 #29
'Twas ever thus. Rules and rule-breakers are always playing their cat-and-mouse games. riqster Jul 2014 #31
They lie and attack children, too. Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #134
I will now commence with the holding of the breath. nt Javaman Jul 2014 #32
Please don't. Congressional Repub actions are blocking implementation. riqster Jul 2014 #40
I knew I would start turning blue before long. ;) nt Javaman Jul 2014 #42
Breathe, dammit, Fred, breathe!!! riqster Jul 2014 #45
So does this mean churches can no longer give their congregation pamphlets Terra Alta Jul 2014 #38
I believe they can, but may have to change specific wording. riqster Jul 2014 #44
Not really; a candidate does not even have to be named. Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #136
Thanks! riqster Jul 2014 #141
Question: Why sue the GOP starved IRS and not the Congress? freshwest Jul 2014 #48
Because the IRS has almost never enforced this bit of tax law, Repub house or not. riqster Jul 2014 #51
And enforcement would likely be found unConstitutional by any American court of any era. freshwest Jul 2014 #58
Possibly. Or the court could issue a very narrow ruling about political pulpit speech. riqster Jul 2014 #62
Well, not *this* SCOTUS. They're making it up as they go along. freshwest Jul 2014 #110
Yes, and some of the rectally-derived rulings have been narrowly drawn. riqster Jul 2014 #112
Please explain to me the First Amendment issue? jberryhill Jul 2014 #72
AFAIK, churches and other "charities" are tax exxempt because they survive by napi21 Jul 2014 #80
So is the money paid for admission to a movie jberryhill Jul 2014 #81
The theater is a for profit business. Charities are not. (or not supposed to be) nt napi21 Jul 2014 #88
So what? jberryhill Jul 2014 #96
Nope. Different parties involved. The exemption is based on an assumption of charitable activities. riqster Jul 2014 #84
Yeah, sure. Iggo Jul 2014 #49
I know. It's more a baby crawl than a baby step. riqster Jul 2014 #52
I would love to see these damn mega-churches lose their tax status! santamargarita Jul 2014 #53
Me too. riqster Jul 2014 #55
And a lawsuit to say that this is restricting free speech is already in the wings, I would bet. djean111 Jul 2014 #54
There might already be one in progress. riqster Jul 2014 #56
It's not free. They are receiving compensation for not politicizing sermons. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #60
About time grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #59
S'truth. riqster Jul 2014 #61
I will believe it when I see it DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #63
Yup. djean111 Jul 2014 #64
Since many churches and "Christians" TNNurse Jul 2014 #65
Agreed. riqster Jul 2014 #66
That's about the nicest way of putting it. Iggo Jul 2014 #68
I am southern TNNurse Jul 2014 #70
Time to start infiltrating known fascist congregations with mini-cams. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #67
I like it, I like it. riqster Jul 2014 #69
There's a lot of amazing mini-spy camera technology out there these days, and Zorra Jul 2014 #77
I once dated a Brit, and she wanted to attend a tent revival. Thought it would be fascinating. riqster Jul 2014 #78
Why? Most of them post recordings or videos of their services these days jberryhill Jul 2014 #74
Got any good videos of them supporting candidates, etc? It will make the job easier if you do. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #95
Here you go jberryhill Jul 2014 #97
You have a problem with people investigating churches illegally supporting RW candidates? nt Zorra Jul 2014 #99
What? jberryhill Jul 2014 #103
I'm still curious about why you seem to have such a problem with people investigating RW churches. Zorra Jul 2014 #105
I don't have a problem with it jberryhill Jul 2014 #106
Now you're making shit up. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #108
Oh, okay, you have done this or plan to do it then? jberryhill Jul 2014 #109
I just found out the IRS might actually FINALLY start busting christo-fascist churches for Zorra Jul 2014 #113
And the Roman Catholic Church... Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #135
Means nothing flying-skeleton Jul 2014 #71
The linked article makes it clear that no actions are impending. riqster Jul 2014 #76
Is there an action number I can call to report these lawbreaking dead-enders? GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #73
A couple of links: riqster Jul 2014 #75
Thank you new friend. GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #90
About damn time! Initech Jul 2014 #79
From your lips to the IRS' ear. riqster Jul 2014 #87
Friggin A. Really? I thought they mentioned this years back, and I haven't seen it. Xyzse Jul 2014 #82
The suit was filed a while back. The IRS caved recently. riqster Jul 2014 #86
I see. Here's to hoping, but till it happens, I am a wee bit skeptical. Xyzse Jul 2014 #102
Same here. riqster Jul 2014 #104
They won't endorse from the pulpit - TBF Jul 2014 #83
A symbolic victory, perhaps, but still a victory. riqster Jul 2014 #85
Sure - and there are some very good humanitarian TBF Jul 2014 #89
Great lunasun Jul 2014 #91
keep in mind that many African-American churches have played an important role on many election days Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #92
GOTV and registration are not covered here. riqster Jul 2014 #93
Shhhh... don't interrupt the high fiving whistler162 Jul 2014 #139
Black churches know how to walk the line--it's the wingnut churches that have trouble in that regard MADem Jul 2014 #146
R#75 & K for, excellent, EXCELLENT, *EXCELLENT*!1 n/t UTUSN Jul 2014 #94
Thanks! riqster Jul 2014 #100
Are some pastors going to endorse liberal candidates? Is that why they're now enforcing valerief Jul 2014 #98
I expect some have been. riqster Jul 2014 #101
30 years (at least) too late. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2014 #107
Oh yeah. Still welcome. Still significant. riqster Jul 2014 #111
Where do we file violations by these tax free 501c orgs? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2014 #114
Post 75. riqster Jul 2014 #122
Marking this to return to... ReRe Jul 2014 #117
Hope all turns out well. riqster Jul 2014 #118
They should have been doing this all along madokie Jul 2014 #119
Yep. This is like having your 100-year old uncle finally admit he's an alcoholic. riqster Jul 2014 #123
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #120
Not that good, I'm afraid. riqster Jul 2014 #124
Now we need them to Politicalboi Jul 2014 #126
Ok... ReRe Jul 2014 #127
Check post 75 for reporting links. riqster Jul 2014 #129
About time!!! How long did that take? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2014 #130
Too. riqster Jul 2014 #131
Well when did African American preachers whistler162 Jul 2014 #140
I'm sorry but I'm not sure what your comment has to do with the OP. Please explain nt Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2014 #148
What the "F" took you all so long?!!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #132
Fear is the F word in this case, I suspect. riqster Jul 2014 #137
About time. MADem Jul 2014 #138
Not a bad idea. riqster Jul 2014 #142
Send in Aunt Bee with a camera in one of the flowers in her hat!!! MADem Jul 2014 #143
Our luck, Barney would answer the phone. riqster Jul 2014 #145
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