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111. Oh yeah. Still welcome. Still significant.

Reply to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #107)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:27 PM

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The IRS Says It Will Finally Enforce the Rules Barring Pastors Endorsing Candidates from the Pulpit [View all] riqster Jul 2014 OP

Who else would love to use the "vacancy in the position" excuse closeupready Jul 2014 #1

sorry i forgot our anniversary, honey. there was a vacancy in that position. unblock Jul 2014 #4

Wingnuts always have a vacancy in the position... riqster Jul 2014 #14

Right, lol? I would have taken a shower, but there was a vacancy in the position. closeupready Jul 2014 #25

vacancy in the position navarth Jul 2014 #37

2012 + 2014 Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #116

a tiny step in the right direction. of course there's an easy way around this. unblock Jul 2014 #2

True. But any action is welcome. riqster Jul 2014 #13

This could also put the brakes on "Souls to the Polls." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #23

No, that is pure GOTV. The preacher can say "get on the bus and vote" riqster Jul 2014 #28

But if S2P were shut down which party would be most impacted? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #43

If? Obviously Dems. But the ruling doesn't allow it. riqster Jul 2014 #50

Go vote and render unto Caesar is not the same as Go vote...for So and So!!! MADem Jul 2014 #144

I agree that is a way around but..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #115

Quite true. And conversations that are not part of the pastoral role are OK. riqster Jul 2014 #121

the pastor can always lay in on thick when introducing the lay person who will endorse a candidate. unblock Jul 2014 #128

More republicon obstruction. They are sly and evil. WhiteTara Jul 2014 #3

They fight on multiple fronts. riqster Jul 2014 #12

yep barbtries Jul 2014 #39

Yeah because they know black pastors will try and get Dems to vote. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2014 #5

That branch tends to be more GOTV oriented. riqster Jul 2014 #9

Then there's the Coalition of African-American Pastors Brother Buzz Jul 2014 #27

The Eric Holder Hate is strong there... freshwest Jul 2014 #34

This is a step in the right direction el_bryanto Jul 2014 #6

Yep. More steps are needed, but this is a big start, riqster Jul 2014 #125

And on the right, the wailing and gnashing of teeth Skidmore Jul 2014 #7

Yep. historylovr Jul 2014 #8

I didn't know about this lawsuit.... Punkingal Jul 2014 #10

Yeah, that seems possible. riqster Jul 2014 #11

I might actually start going to church. obxhead Jul 2014 #15

That is an intriguing idea. riqster Jul 2014 #16

hee-hee. Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #24

Be careful. The lay leader might be armed. riqster Jul 2014 #46

another win for the FFRF! RussBLib Jul 2014 #17

I may just join up. riqster Jul 2014 #18

The fundie churches have an annual defy-the-IRS event starroute Jul 2014 #19

That will hopefully slow down a bit, when this decision is operationalized. riqster Jul 2014 #36

I live in the Florida Panhandle packman Jul 2014 #20

Yeah, we are seeing them in Ohio as well. riqster Jul 2014 #35

I live in the PNW and saw businesses posting signs saying voters would go to hell voting for Gore... freshwest Jul 2014 #41

That is legal joeglow3 Jul 2014 #47

I know what you're saying packman Jul 2014 #57

I was shocked Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #133

Just remember this "God speaks through righteous Republicans" is an anagram for MADem Jul 2014 #147

Finally! nt 7wo7rees Jul 2014 #21

Hallelujah! Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #22

Praise The Lord and pass the casserole. riqster Jul 2014 #33

About time! Squinch Jul 2014 #26

Got that right. riqster Jul 2014 #30

Ever heard of The Pacific Justice Institute? herding cats Jul 2014 #29

'Twas ever thus. Rules and rule-breakers are always playing their cat-and-mouse games. riqster Jul 2014 #31

They lie and attack children, too. Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #134

I will now commence with the holding of the breath. nt Javaman Jul 2014 #32

Please don't. Congressional Repub actions are blocking implementation. riqster Jul 2014 #40

I knew I would start turning blue before long. ;) nt Javaman Jul 2014 #42

Breathe, dammit, Fred, breathe!!! riqster Jul 2014 #45

So does this mean churches can no longer give their congregation pamphlets Terra Alta Jul 2014 #38

I believe they can, but may have to change specific wording. riqster Jul 2014 #44

Not really; a candidate does not even have to be named. Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #136

Thanks! riqster Jul 2014 #141

Question: Why sue the GOP starved IRS and not the Congress? freshwest Jul 2014 #48

Because the IRS has almost never enforced this bit of tax law, Repub house or not. riqster Jul 2014 #51

And enforcement would likely be found unConstitutional by any American court of any era. freshwest Jul 2014 #58

Possibly. Or the court could issue a very narrow ruling about political pulpit speech. riqster Jul 2014 #62

Well, not *this* SCOTUS. They're making it up as they go along. freshwest Jul 2014 #110

Yes, and some of the rectally-derived rulings have been narrowly drawn. riqster Jul 2014 #112

Please explain to me the First Amendment issue? jberryhill Jul 2014 #72

AFAIK, churches and other "charities" are tax exxempt because they survive by napi21 Jul 2014 #80

So is the money paid for admission to a movie jberryhill Jul 2014 #81

The theater is a for profit business. Charities are not. (or not supposed to be) nt napi21 Jul 2014 #88

So what? jberryhill Jul 2014 #96

Nope. Different parties involved. The exemption is based on an assumption of charitable activities. riqster Jul 2014 #84

Yeah, sure. Iggo Jul 2014 #49

I know. It's more a baby crawl than a baby step. riqster Jul 2014 #52

I would love to see these damn mega-churches lose their tax status! santamargarita Jul 2014 #53

Me too. riqster Jul 2014 #55

And a lawsuit to say that this is restricting free speech is already in the wings, I would bet. djean111 Jul 2014 #54

There might already be one in progress. riqster Jul 2014 #56

It's not free. They are receiving compensation for not politicizing sermons. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #60

About time grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #59

S'truth. riqster Jul 2014 #61

I will believe it when I see it DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #63

Yup. djean111 Jul 2014 #64

Since many churches and "Christians" TNNurse Jul 2014 #65

Agreed. riqster Jul 2014 #66

That's about the nicest way of putting it. Iggo Jul 2014 #68

I am southern TNNurse Jul 2014 #70

Time to start infiltrating known fascist congregations with mini-cams. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #67

I like it, I like it. riqster Jul 2014 #69

There's a lot of amazing mini-spy camera technology out there these days, and Zorra Jul 2014 #77

I once dated a Brit, and she wanted to attend a tent revival. Thought it would be fascinating. riqster Jul 2014 #78

Why? Most of them post recordings or videos of their services these days jberryhill Jul 2014 #74

Got any good videos of them supporting candidates, etc? It will make the job easier if you do. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #95

Here you go jberryhill Jul 2014 #97

You have a problem with people investigating churches illegally supporting RW candidates? nt Zorra Jul 2014 #99

What? jberryhill Jul 2014 #103

I'm still curious about why you seem to have such a problem with people investigating RW churches. Zorra Jul 2014 #105

I don't have a problem with it jberryhill Jul 2014 #106

Now you're making shit up. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #108

Oh, okay, you have done this or plan to do it then? jberryhill Jul 2014 #109

I just found out the IRS might actually FINALLY start busting christo-fascist churches for Zorra Jul 2014 #113

And the Roman Catholic Church... Crash2Parties Jul 2014 #135

Means nothing flying-skeleton Jul 2014 #71

The linked article makes it clear that no actions are impending. riqster Jul 2014 #76

Is there an action number I can call to report these lawbreaking dead-enders? GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #73

A couple of links: riqster Jul 2014 #75

Thank you new friend. GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #90

About damn time! Initech Jul 2014 #79

From your lips to the IRS' ear. riqster Jul 2014 #87

Friggin A. Really? I thought they mentioned this years back, and I haven't seen it. Xyzse Jul 2014 #82

The suit was filed a while back. The IRS caved recently. riqster Jul 2014 #86

I see. Here's to hoping, but till it happens, I am a wee bit skeptical. Xyzse Jul 2014 #102

Same here. riqster Jul 2014 #104

They won't endorse from the pulpit - TBF Jul 2014 #83

A symbolic victory, perhaps, but still a victory. riqster Jul 2014 #85

Sure - and there are some very good humanitarian TBF Jul 2014 #89

Great lunasun Jul 2014 #91

keep in mind that many African-American churches have played an important role on many election days Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #92

GOTV and registration are not covered here. riqster Jul 2014 #93

Shhhh... don't interrupt the high fiving whistler162 Jul 2014 #139

Black churches know how to walk the line--it's the wingnut churches that have trouble in that regard MADem Jul 2014 #146

R#75 & K for, excellent, EXCELLENT, *EXCELLENT*!1 n/t UTUSN Jul 2014 #94

Thanks! riqster Jul 2014 #100

Are some pastors going to endorse liberal candidates? Is that why they're now enforcing valerief Jul 2014 #98

I expect some have been. riqster Jul 2014 #101

30 years (at least) too late. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2014 #107

Oh yeah. Still welcome. Still significant. riqster Jul 2014 #111

Where do we file violations by these tax free 501c orgs? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2014 #114

Post 75. riqster Jul 2014 #122

Marking this to return to... ReRe Jul 2014 #117

Hope all turns out well. riqster Jul 2014 #118

They should have been doing this all along madokie Jul 2014 #119

Yep. This is like having your 100-year old uncle finally admit he's an alcoholic. riqster Jul 2014 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #120

Not that good, I'm afraid. riqster Jul 2014 #124

Now we need them to Politicalboi Jul 2014 #126

Ok... ReRe Jul 2014 #127

Check post 75 for reporting links. riqster Jul 2014 #129

About time!!! How long did that take? nt Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2014 #130

Too. riqster Jul 2014 #131

Well when did African American preachers whistler162 Jul 2014 #140

I'm sorry but I'm not sure what your comment has to do with the OP. Please explain nt Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2014 #148

What the "F" took you all so long?!!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #132

Fear is the F word in this case, I suspect. riqster Jul 2014 #137

About time. MADem Jul 2014 #138

Not a bad idea. riqster Jul 2014 #142

Send in Aunt Bee with a camera in one of the flowers in her hat!!! MADem Jul 2014 #143

Our luck, Barney would answer the phone. riqster Jul 2014 #145