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xiamiam

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159. I think it is unnatural to attempt to justify every move this president makes

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:31 PM

Apr 2012

especially when some of those moves are so blatantly conservative and neo conservative...and when those executive orders shred pieces of the constitution. Hell, I'm 62 this year and NEVER imagined that I could be strip searched for being arrested for something minor. NEVER EVER in this country. But now its true and the okie dokie by some here renders their motives untrustworthy as far as I'm concerned. That's what has happened to DU imo. My question is who has the kind of time or even desire to spend hours upon hours on a website defending indefensible actions by this administration. Nobody, that's who as surviving is in the mix for many of us. So that is what happened here. I have a few on ignore but I can see them when I'm on my laptop as I don't log in and for the most part, it's as deliberate as a 9 to 5 worker. Most of us don't have that kind of time, so they've got the upper hand. I don't trust or anyone who never questions. It's just not natural, not at this time or with this much information about Obama at our disposal. Maybe in 2009, not now.

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"Obama has governed as a conservative. So, the question for progressives is, �What do we do now?� [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

Obama has ProSense Apr 2012 #1

Which is why he vetoed the Bush "free" trade bills, MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #118

$h!tty thing is, if BHO "wins" in November, blkmusclmachine Apr 2012 #214

Oh bullshit, give the President a big Democratic majority in both houses of Congress xtraxritical Apr 2012 #249

Yes, I will do that, with my nose held, for the last time. dotymed Apr 2012 #259

Why do you think he'd do better with more Democrats MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #261

Like the one he had in 2008? nxylas Apr 2012 #266

He already had one in 2009-2010 Doctor_J Apr 2012 #290

The priorities have been to revive the economy. DCBob Apr 2012 #248

Offshoring more than 100,000 jobs MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #260

You can debate about the pros and cons of free trade but.. DCBob Apr 2012 #270

Most Dems like "free" trade? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #271

I think most Dems have voted for the free trade agreements we have in place. DCBob Apr 2012 #272

*Elected* Democrats like "free" trade MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #273

Elected Democrats are the legal representatives of Democrats. DCBob Apr 2012 #275

Yes, I have a huge problem with them MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #276

"far right nuts" DCBob Apr 2012 #282

By their fruits ye shall know them MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #283

You can't deny that free trade is a far-right concept Ken Burch Apr 2012 #348

"far-right nuts". FFS... SidDithers Apr 2012 #287

Would "far to the right of Reagan nuts" be more to your liking? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #291

Sid: How would you compare today's elected Democrats MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #292

The fact that most Democrats agree free trade does not mean free trade isn't conservative. white_wolf Apr 2012 #343

Thanks for setting me straight: I too had wondered if BHO had not governed as a conservative, if indepat Apr 2012 #139

Please read this, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002524525 xtraxritical Apr 2012 #250

Obama has been American First. Herlong Apr 2012 #155

Thank God, President Abraham Lincoln put preserving the union first . . . . JDPriestly Apr 2012 #206

Does it ever occur to you that you do more damage to your cause with Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #173

The PROGRESSIVES here on DU are not the real world progressives. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #198

DUers are better informed than others, progressive or not. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #208

LOL. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #342

Yup, and even more arguably leftist groups such as CPUSA TBF Apr 2012 #257

Very, very few presidents have used their veto power as rarely as Obama. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #205

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2012 #245

I'm with you! secondwind Apr 2012 #220

Obama is still a good candidate Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #328

This post is Bullshit Champion Jack Apr 2012 #2

Your reply is Bullshit just1voice Apr 2012 #59

lol, true quinnox Apr 2012 #66

Absolutely...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #125

yes, yours is... very good fascisthunter Apr 2012 #192

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Obama is the most Progressive president in history. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #200

Hardly. Both Roosevelts were fare more progressive for their time. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #209

FDR was blessed with super majorities in both houses. Kaleva Apr 2012 #213

Obama came in with lots of Democrats in Congress. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #279

But how many of those Dems were progressives? Kaleva Apr 2012 #347

The makeup of Congress HARDLY defines a President's progressiveness. MNBrewer Apr 2012 #344

Just how progressive would FDR have been without a super-majority in Congress? Kaleva Apr 2012 #345

I don't know MNBrewer Apr 2012 #346

Yeah, um, no. tavalon Apr 2012 #228

TAlk to me when Obama's "progressiveness" forces him to round up American citizens and FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #331

The nukes were dropped under Truman chrisa Apr 2012 #333

Who was also a progressive. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #340

I think you've introduced a paradox to the thread. JVS Apr 2012 #203

Indeed. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #311

No, I just want him to use the power he has according to the Constitution Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #312

Vote Romney? Webster Green Apr 2012 #3

FUD. MineralMan Apr 2012 #4

YOUR thread you refer to is pure FUD. GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #186

Obama did all these things. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #210

I guess you can just call Obama a conservative? gulliver Apr 2012 #5

Apparently you can these days. MineralMan Apr 2012 #7

Anyone who is opposed to the equal rights of any minority group is a conservative. Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #38

Every election demands decisions by voters. MineralMan Apr 2012 #67

Are you talking about his personal views on gay marriage? Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #187

Bill Clinton regularly gets lambasted here for his Republican lite policies. n/t EFerrari Apr 2012 #215

Is that why people regularly post that some conservative says they like him? just1voice Apr 2012 #13

I would say he has governed as a corporatist and a neocon. woo me with science Apr 2012 #76

Neo-fascist theocrats hate his guts. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #170

Quod erat demonstrandum. Which was to be shown or demonstrated. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #174

I think people were expecting a 180 degree turn aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #211

very good article - K&R quinnox Apr 2012 #6

This is ProSense Apr 2012 #9

This is not a good editorial. It is MineralMan Apr 2012 #12

its not. nt BootinUp Apr 2012 #34

good question. mopinko Apr 2012 #184

LOL! Watch all the partisan-at-all-cost heads explode now! just1voice Apr 2012 #8

Partisan-at-all-cost?! It's called DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #199

how ignorant showmethejedi Apr 2012 #235

The truth hurts. obxhead Apr 2012 #10

Congress, congress, congress. bemildred Apr 2012 #11

Exactly. It is time to go to work in your own legislative districts MineralMan Apr 2012 #14

Isn't it mostly too late for that? TMED Apr 2012 #218

Primaries still haven't happened in many states. MineralMan Apr 2012 #231

My point was that it's too late to affect who is running in those elections, for the 2012 election TMED Apr 2012 #262

We had an interesting thing happen in MineralMan Apr 2012 #267

Thanks for this, but the opportunity in your district depends on challengers who entered the race TMED Apr 2012 #288

You are correct lunatica Apr 2012 #23

Yes, Yes, Yes- Congress Congress Congress is "What We Do Now" NBachers Apr 2012 #85

He isn't going to get one. Maybe he can actually lead instead of following? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #119

Have a cookie, you'll feel better. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #132

What, exactly, do you think he can do? jeff47 Apr 2012 #240

Get on the TV, and in crowds all over the US Doctor_J Apr 2012 #277

And he's already done that for his infrastructure bill. jeff47 Apr 2012 #297

and why just stop with our nations congress.... happerbolic Apr 2012 #135

+1. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #165

Actually... woo me with science Apr 2012 #145

Correct Hawkowl Apr 2012 #195

obama does not need congress to prosecute bankers and war criminals. tomp Apr 2012 #219

He needs Congress not to be impeached. bemildred Apr 2012 #232

Since the hopelessly corrupt Bush was not impeached by the solidly Dem Congress Doctor_J Apr 2012 #305

Won't is not the same as Can't. bemildred Apr 2012 #341

Vote for Rmoney malaise Apr 2012 #15

Didn't bother to read the article .... did you? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #16

Is it different from everything else you post?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #46

Is your reply any different? just1voice Apr 2012 #171

they never do Skittles Apr 2012 #181

You didn't even bother reading the article. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #18

I read it. ProSense Apr 2012 #25

Pushing Obama to take more populist positions is bullshit? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #31

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #39

That's not in the article, it's just your convenient strawman projection. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #42

that reflex response is getting boring quinnox Apr 2012 #21

So are these threads n/t malaise Apr 2012 #137

from the article: me b zola Apr 2012 #113

this article demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of power and politics in america. unblock Apr 2012 #17

thank you for actually reading the article quinnox Apr 2012 #33

Power and politics in America is exactly what people are sick of just1voice Apr 2012 #45

of course. how many people are paid and rewarded to actually KEEP work from getting done? unblock Apr 2012 #49

Actually, the key is getting the corporate money out of the election system, woo me with science Apr 2012 #114

+1000. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #172

it's not just money, though that is a key part of how it works today. unblock Apr 2012 #182

And how do you do that? Through Congress. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #243

Won't happen until the people stand up and demand it. woo me with science Apr 2012 #301

Nice story but when I look at the matters he does have massive direct sway over TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #129

you make some excellent points here unblock Apr 2012 #180

obama is not pushing the progressive agenda to the people.... tomp Apr 2012 #221

the point is, it's not public opinion that needs swaying unblock Apr 2012 #238

I agree with almost everything you said. And I think many Americans now sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #265

interesting thought about it being global. that gives me hope as we can look to europe unblock Apr 2012 #295

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #329

Yes, the French Unions eg, practically shut down their country a few summers ago sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #330

yes, france is very good at that. just a few trucks parked sideways blocking the major highways unblock Apr 2012 #332

Sorry about the double post. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #334

if popular opinion is to the left of washington power.... tomp Apr 2012 #293

there's popular opinion and then there's the opinion of those who can influence elections unblock Apr 2012 #294

by your logic... tomp Apr 2012 #302

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #253

And the extension of the Bush Tax cuts? How does Congress excuse that? Marr Apr 2012 #316

i'm not following. are you suggesting that obama wanted to extend them? unblock Apr 2012 #320

+1, and +1 to the last two paragraphs of the full article, especially. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #19

Vote for mildly conservative Obama to block severely conservative Romney NAO Apr 2012 #20

The article IS for voting for Obama. You should read it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #24

I just wonder DevonRex Apr 2012 #22

Did you bother to read the full article? Doesn't look like it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #27

I did. It's nothing but a discouragement of voting. MineralMan Apr 2012 #32

You're cherry picking, quoting half a sentence and pretending that's convincing to someone. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #37

Take a moment to think about this. jeff47 Apr 2012 #244

Of course I did. And I wonder why BBI printed the DevonRex Apr 2012 #74

Here we go again... Brooklyn Dame Apr 2012 #26

reading the article would be better quinnox Apr 2012 #29

Oh FFS. Keep trying...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #28

Be afraid. Always. randome Apr 2012 #30

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. MineralMan Apr 2012 #35

I remember all the Bushbots saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING just1voice Apr 2012 #57

Dunno. randome Apr 2012 #90

For the reflexive naysayers in the thread, woo me with science Apr 2012 #36

it may be a lost cause quinnox Apr 2012 #41

If nothing else, woo me with science Apr 2012 #44

I think it is unnatural to attempt to justify every move this president makes xiamiam Apr 2012 #159

Thank you. woo me with science Apr 2012 #160

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2012 #216

It's more than unnatural, it's pathological denial. whatchamacallit Apr 2012 #278

Absolutely. woo me with science Apr 2012 #298

Agree with all you say (and I'm older) sad sally Apr 2012 #285

It's ProSense Apr 2012 #47

self-delete pnwmom Apr 2012 #48

Evidence?! Hah! randome Apr 2012 #50

... woo me with science Apr 2012 #95

Obama is not perfect. randome Apr 2012 #103

If he is not perfect, woo me with science Apr 2012 #116

NOTHING wrong with that. randome Apr 2012 #130

Glad to hear you support pushing Obama to adopt progressive policies. woo me with science Apr 2012 #141

March on. Just don't forget to show up at the polls. MineralMan Apr 2012 #71

The problem is it's delusional. jeff47 Apr 2012 #247

The president, and many self-identifying Dems, think that if he runs as Reagan Doctor_J Apr 2012 #307

Lotta people suffering from Obama Criticism Derangement in this thread. READ the article. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #40

If I had to choose between this and Fox News it would be tough.nt BootinUp Apr 2012 #54

speaking of acronyms, OCDS is a new one quinnox Apr 2012 #75

OCDS is a keeper. OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Apr 2012 #317

Obama can't be a progressive dictator. If we want nothing but progressive legislation, pnwmom Apr 2012 #43

Usual suspects demgrrrll Apr 2012 #51

Oh be nice. DLC, blue dog hacks are people too. I suppose. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #53

lol quinnox Apr 2012 #55

Wait ProSense Apr 2012 #60

As are alleged "progressive" hacks..nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #62

Hee Hee! OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #112

Yup. All this in response to an article that merely advocates woo me with science Apr 2012 #80

Is it any wonder Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #115

Yup...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #134

Do we really have a choice? RC Apr 2012 #52

rec. KG Apr 2012 #56

lol, yes, this article is potentially causing thousands of votes to be lost! quinnox Apr 2012 #58

You folks forget...THERE'S A WAR ON! Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #91

�Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #61

So ProSense Apr 2012 #63

In b4 "the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot"...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #64

The one whose principals I most agree with. How about you? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #81

Lucky you. You live in a place where Obama's election is assured. MineralMan Apr 2012 #83

The same as John Quincy Adams. "Always vote for principle.." Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #87

Excellent reply. Too many of us have given in to the pressure to vote for the winner, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #177

Concentrate on electing more progressives and real liberals to congress abelenkpe Apr 2012 #65

Some people want Obama to lose. They just don't say so directly. MineralMan Apr 2012 #69

Yup. Their posting history makes that absolutely clear...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #126

I'd like to see him on the record as often as possible between now and the election. pa28 Apr 2012 #68

Maybe we can Primary Obama???? JoePhilly Apr 2012 #70

Why not just vote for him as the article suggests?!? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #72

The article ProSense Apr 2012 #77

There's actually no encouragement to vote in that article anyhow. MineralMan Apr 2012 #79

The notion ProSense Apr 2012 #84

The author has some other agenda, I think. MineralMan Apr 2012 #88

Maybe they're a Freeper Mole. I hear there's a lot of that about, lately. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #94

Sure, by also suggesting that Boehner stopped Obama's evil JoePhilly Apr 2012 #86

The more you read, the more you understand, huh? MineralMan Apr 2012 #89

Hahahaha ... exactly ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #110

You read it correctly, I think. MineralMan Apr 2012 #169

I hear Dennis Kucinich is available. MineralMan Apr 2012 #73

Figure out how to get a populist elected in 2016 n/t eridani Apr 2012 #78

And in the meantime? What do you suggest? MineralMan Apr 2012 #82

Exactly what the article says. woo me with science Apr 2012 #121

Bingo. Beat me to it n/t eridani Apr 2012 #136

For some reason, bvar22 Apr 2012 #161

I couldn't agree more Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #207

+1 (n/t) a2liberal Apr 2012 #92

This crap is so old it stinks. asjr Apr 2012 #93

in case you hadn't noticed, fresh crap stinks, too. nt tomp Apr 2012 #223

Actually there is no question about it, we vote for the POTUS. Rex Apr 2012 #96

Ah fuck it sharp_stick Apr 2012 #97

Don't do it! randome Apr 2012 #99

It was an empty threat sharp_stick Apr 2012 #166

Or beyond learning. RC Apr 2012 #242

That's Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #106

Just pissed off sharp_stick Apr 2012 #167

Ignore only until it's officially election season at DU...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #117

LOL- and then what? A "great cleansing fire" will come, Sid? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #120

At that time, an official list of adjectives with which woo me with science Apr 2012 #127

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #131

Discussing actual policies is not "bashing." woo me with science Apr 2012 #133

You agreed to those Terms of Service when DU3 started up...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #138

So you are claiming that posting actual policies by this President woo me with science Apr 2012 #142

No, that's not what I'm claiming...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #143

You'd think he'd just alert on posts in this thread and check the ToS box instead of these... Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #144

It's not officially election season yet...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #148

LOL! I'll letcha in on a little secret: The admins can ban anyone, anytime they think they need to. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #152

The admins won't ban posters for no reason... SidDithers Apr 2012 #153

ROFL @ the "It's a good life" riff. I've been chuckling about that since yesterday. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #281

I guess we'll see, won't we...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #128

My ignore list sharp_stick Apr 2012 #168

Pssst! Hey, clam up willya? There's a WAR ON! Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #98

ouch, that image quinnox Apr 2012 #100

What is the viable alternative to Obama? Rex Apr 2012 #105

. ProSense Apr 2012 #107

HA! Rex Apr 2012 #149

Really? DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #175

you're insane. nt tomp Apr 2012 #224

Nobody's asking that question, save you. The article is about putting pressure on Obama to... Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #108

You can't force a damn thing. jeff47 Apr 2012 #252

Well, that about sums it up, doesn't it? woo me with science Apr 2012 #109

Vote for Obama, and hope that when he is in his second term, Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #101

well said, you basically summed up the article in one opening sentence quinnox Apr 2012 #102

"we?" Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #104

Obama is a moderate conservative. He has some liberal stands, some conservative. alfredo Apr 2012 #111

I don't consider indefinite detention, woo me with science Apr 2012 #154

Obama only benefits from attacks from progressives maximusveritas Apr 2012 #122

++++! We can't just let the cons get away with the socialism card. alp227 Apr 2012 #157

This is precisely why Obama isn't really worried about attacks from the left. joshcryer Apr 2012 #197

I have only now gotten around to reading 'The Shock Doctrine' me b zola Apr 2012 #124

Everyone should read it. woo me with science Apr 2012 #156

Dislike. And dislike for liberals who write this junk pasto76 Apr 2012 #140

there's a HUGE difference... tomp Apr 2012 #225

Here we go....again. *&^^%% jaysunb Apr 2012 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Apr 2012 #147

What bullshit. Zax2me Apr 2012 #150

What will I do? Vote for him of course. And so will any other progressive with a tiny fucking cali Apr 2012 #151

"thanks BBI for not giving a fuck about those of us in poverty" ??? Is President Obama campaigning Better Believe It Apr 2012 #164

We re-elect him and make a stink WHENEVER he pushes for right wing policies. stillwaiting Apr 2012 #158

I disagree on the conservative part, IMO he has governed as a blue dog Autumn Apr 2012 #162

"We?" You speak for a small part of an ever smaller fringe. great white snark Apr 2012 #163

How can it be a voter suppressive article? Obama has actualy Autumn Apr 2012 #176

History clearly shows that the majority are almost always wrong. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #178

Why settle for less Marley01 Apr 2012 #179

t.t.t. spanone Apr 2012 #183

OWS has the right idea on where we have to go, especially with the unchecked mmonk Apr 2012 #185

Not correct, he has governed as a conservative on national security related issues and a moderate... usregimechange Apr 2012 #188

K&R Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #189

we should all clap our hands and chant, "One of us" fascisthunter Apr 2012 #190

Obama has to work with the congress we give him FreeBC Apr 2012 #191

please exclude me from your BS "we" fascisthunter Apr 2012 #193

So President Obama didn't have enough Democrats in the House and Senate in 2009-2010? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #194

Not enough progressive Dems that's for sure Kaleva Apr 2012 #212

No, he didn't jeff47 Apr 2012 #254

"there were a lot of Blue Dog morons in Congress." bvar22 Apr 2012 #269

Yep, it's good they're gone jeff47 Apr 2012 #296

Arkansas 2010 was toss. bvar22 Apr 2012 #314

Thank you. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #299

Also the Blue Dogs were voted out while real Dems held their seats Doctor_J Apr 2012 #308

In the Senate, not really... Hippo_Tron Apr 2012 #264

He campaigned as a center right post-partisan. joshcryer Apr 2012 #196

WTF? Such ridiculousness NashvilleLefty Apr 2012 #201

Talk to Flo. She works for Progressive. Maybe she can help you. Kablooie Apr 2012 #202

LOL! randome Apr 2012 #241

I guess I have to go with a conservative over a fascist. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #204

No Real Choice but to Vote for Obama Dilldoe Apr 2012 #217

Obama ran as a Progressive, but he was forced to be PRAGMATIC secondwind Apr 2012 #222

Good grief!!! polmaven Apr 2012 #226

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #227

It's hard to take comments like this seriously. DCBob Apr 2012 #229

so, what is a "hard" liberal? newspeak Apr 2012 #236

A liberal who is more liberal than most liberals. DCBob Apr 2012 #239

I know what we don't do. Zalatix Apr 2012 #230

Get elected to state legislatures treestar Apr 2012 #233

Obama Has Governed as Progressively As Possible Yavin4 Apr 2012 #234

Are "moderate" Democrats like Evan Bayh really much more conservative than Barack Obama? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #246

Yes. To ask that question demonstrates you're really not paying attention. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #256

Thsnk You. Evan Bayh Would Not Have Even Touched Health Care At All. Yavin4 Apr 2012 #286

"Evan Bayh Would Not Have Even Touched Health Care At All." He voted for Obama's health care bill! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #304

lesson time. showmethejedi Apr 2012 #237

i have a republican eal. and not a teaparty one. an old school republican. pansypoo53219 Apr 2012 #251

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #255

Here's a ProSense Apr 2012 #258

What do we do? Elect progressives to local offices who won't go along with the neocons saras Apr 2012 #263

Strawman... ElboRuum Apr 2012 #268

What NOT To Do is Vote for Romney or Stay Home! Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #274

But neither the OP, the article, nor anyone else is espousing that idea. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #280

They understand that. It doesn't matter. Critical thought is discouraged. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #284

The irony in this post is Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #303

Here is something the true believers need to come to grips with Doctor_J Apr 2012 #289

Not only ProSense Apr 2012 #300

Look, if you want to blame someone for not getting single-payer Daniel537 Apr 2012 #306

We didn't need 60 votes Doctor_J Apr 2012 #309

That's ProSense Apr 2012 #310

And it has been explained to you a thousand times that if Obama had negotiated Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #313

Oh yeah, ProSense Apr 2012 #315

Your response failed to adress these specific points. bvar22 Apr 2012 #318

You really think Joe Liberman, proud endorser of John McPain, Senator of Aetna, Daniel537 Apr 2012 #319

I said that single-payer would not have resulted, but a public option Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #322

Lieberman was never going to vote for either of those. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #324

Then Obama should have called him out and publicly blamed him Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #325

Well see now that's a whole different issue. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #327

So he should have called them out, too, and told their constituents that Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #335

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #321

Re-read my post, which you seem to have misunderstood Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #323

Actually ProSense Apr 2012 #326

The way Reagan got Democrats to vote for his positions Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #336

I've never bought into that "Weak President" nonsense, bvar22 Apr 2012 #338

Marvelous post. woo me with science Apr 2012 #339

Exactly. 51 Senate votes and support rather than opposition from President Obama was needed. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #337