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MADem

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24. I don't really think they help themselves with that statement.

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:52 AM

Jul 2014

It's got the same flavor as saying "If you're 'passing' as a caucasian, we won't ask you about your race...but this is a white's only club, and minorities aren't supposed to golf here!"

I am of the view that trans people ARE "born" into the gender they say they are--it's just that their business ends don't match THEIR "intentions." That's not their fault, they didn't ask to be "born that way."

I think they need empathy, not exclusion.

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Protests Mount Against Michigan Womyn's Music Festival That Excludes Trans Women [View all] SpartanDem Jul 2014 OP

"womyn-born womyn" LittleBlue Jul 2014 #1

I think it's the silly assumption that someone who grew up with male privilege Warpy Jul 2014 #2

Well said. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #3

It's that and, well, frankly, cissexist gender essentialism. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #5

A lesbian woman I know involved in this group objected to communal showers, pnwmom Jul 2014 #6

That sounds an awful lot like the whole "bathroom panic" thing. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #11

As I said, at least one of these people isn't using hormones or doing anything else pnwmom Jul 2014 #19

Yes, but nothing you said... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #20

What's with the deliberate misspelling? I'm sure it must mean something, I just don't understand MADem Jul 2014 #4

The complication in this case is that some of these trans-women pnwmom Jul 2014 #7

Surely they can accommodate that--make the showers private, or "invitation only." MADem Jul 2014 #8

Their feeling is that people with men's bodies are forcing themselves pnwmom Jul 2014 #10

Why did you put "transwomen" in quotes? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #13

At least one of the transwomen involved in this fight pnwmom Jul 2014 #14

How do you mean "physically transition"? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #15

This person is using no hormone therapy. No physical transitioning at all. pnwmom Jul 2014 #18

The mis-spelling is to make a point. pnwmom Jul 2014 #12

"Man" was originally gender-neutral. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #17

Well, I always thought "men" was rooted in the word "women." MADem Jul 2014 #21

Womyn's music festival started more than 40 years ago and, yes, there was a lot of anger. pnwmom Jul 2014 #27

I think we need an ERA, now more than ever. MADem Jul 2014 #31

Bigotry on display. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #9

Here is a statement from the organizers of the festival. pnwmom Jul 2014 #16

What a load of crap. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #22

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #23

Didn't you just quote her? Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #25

I gave two examples of people who have made it more difficult for transwomen pnwmom Jul 2014 #26

You gave examples from a bigoted site. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #29

That site is a piece of work. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #35

Which is pretty clearly transphobic and bigoted. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #28

I don't really think they help themselves with that statement. MADem Jul 2014 #24

cissexism and bigotry is all it is mwrguy Jul 2014 #30

I'm kind of surprised that they of all people would be doing this, but the phrase "womyn-born womyn" Hekate Jul 2014 #32

I think this line of thinking goes against what feminism has historically strived for davidn3600 Jul 2014 #33

There is no seem about it SpartanDem Jul 2014 #36

It's more than seperate but equal Hydra Sep 2015 #37

To quote Flavia Dzodan, KitSileya Jul 2014 #34