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davidn3600

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33. I think this line of thinking goes against what feminism has historically strived for

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:00 AM

Jul 2014

If feminism is about trying to tear down the social forces/barriers that divide and define the rules and roles of each gender, then these "womyn" seem to be going against that philosophy. They seem to be perpetuating the idea that there is and should be a social division between the sexes. They seem to be supporting a 'men vs women' type of mentality....a "separate but equal" type of thinking.

I've seen how some of them write on the internet. When they talk about transgenderism, it is very similar to the way the far-right talks about homosexuality. They see it as transexuals choosing their gender. Sort of like when the far-right thinks gays are choosing their orientation. And it has that radical/bigoted tone to the rhetoric.

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Protests Mount Against Michigan Womyn's Music Festival That Excludes Trans Women [View all] SpartanDem Jul 2014 OP

"womyn-born womyn" LittleBlue Jul 2014 #1

I think it's the silly assumption that someone who grew up with male privilege Warpy Jul 2014 #2

Well said. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #3

It's that and, well, frankly, cissexist gender essentialism. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #5

A lesbian woman I know involved in this group objected to communal showers, pnwmom Jul 2014 #6

That sounds an awful lot like the whole "bathroom panic" thing. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #11

As I said, at least one of these people isn't using hormones or doing anything else pnwmom Jul 2014 #19

Yes, but nothing you said... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #20

What's with the deliberate misspelling? I'm sure it must mean something, I just don't understand MADem Jul 2014 #4

The complication in this case is that some of these trans-women pnwmom Jul 2014 #7

Surely they can accommodate that--make the showers private, or "invitation only." MADem Jul 2014 #8

Their feeling is that people with men's bodies are forcing themselves pnwmom Jul 2014 #10

Why did you put "transwomen" in quotes? nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #13

At least one of the transwomen involved in this fight pnwmom Jul 2014 #14

How do you mean "physically transition"? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #15

This person is using no hormone therapy. No physical transitioning at all. pnwmom Jul 2014 #18

The mis-spelling is to make a point. pnwmom Jul 2014 #12

"Man" was originally gender-neutral. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #17

Well, I always thought "men" was rooted in the word "women." MADem Jul 2014 #21

Womyn's music festival started more than 40 years ago and, yes, there was a lot of anger. pnwmom Jul 2014 #27

I think we need an ERA, now more than ever. MADem Jul 2014 #31

Bigotry on display. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #9

Here is a statement from the organizers of the festival. pnwmom Jul 2014 #16

What a load of crap. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #22

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #23

Didn't you just quote her? Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #25

I gave two examples of people who have made it more difficult for transwomen pnwmom Jul 2014 #26

You gave examples from a bigoted site. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #29

That site is a piece of work. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #35

Which is pretty clearly transphobic and bigoted. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #28

I don't really think they help themselves with that statement. MADem Jul 2014 #24

cissexism and bigotry is all it is mwrguy Jul 2014 #30

I'm kind of surprised that they of all people would be doing this, but the phrase "womyn-born womyn" Hekate Jul 2014 #32

I think this line of thinking goes against what feminism has historically strived for davidn3600 Jul 2014 #33

There is no seem about it SpartanDem Jul 2014 #36

It's more than seperate but equal Hydra Sep 2015 #37

To quote Flavia Dzodan, KitSileya Jul 2014 #34