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Octafish

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52. Excuse for what? You denigrating Robert F. Kennedy Jr.?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jul 2014

I'm asking people to consider what the hell kind of information they are getting from Corporate Media and from DU.

It's why so many people, obviously, don't know squat. For those interested in learning:

Corporate McPravda owns the airwaves.



And Corporate Tee Vee is still where most Americans get most of their information, including their ideas about these two statues. Wonder what people would think were they to learn from the tee vee what pater and fils have really done with their power?



The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making

Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.

Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis

Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy – as in true democracy – places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society – locally and globally.

From the late 19th century on, the “threats” to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.

SNIP...

The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the “public” and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.

The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and “experts” armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape America’s “democratic propaganda” throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.

CONTINUED...

http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making



Thankfully, to help spread light when the protectors of the First Amendment won't, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio. The podcast helps explain how we got here and what we need to do to move forward, starting with putting the "Public" into Airwaves again:



Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda
The Attack on Democracy


The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.

John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.

Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.

This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.

SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html



If you find a moment, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) on Carey.

http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3

It's important for there to be more than a handful of companies providing "news." Democracy depends on it. That obviously is a foreign concept for many.
Keep tugging that forelock, octafish...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #1
I found this interesting: REP Jul 2014 #23
Yeah, Salon put this up in place of the article... SidDithers Jul 2014 #24
Salon is a corporate rag RobertEarl Jul 2014 #55
Coming from someone who loves ENEnews... zappaman Jul 2014 #59
Salon is a whore to corporations RobertEarl Jul 2014 #62
Uh huh. zappaman Jul 2014 #63
Do you not Love Enenews? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #65
You misspelled batshit. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #66
Thank you sincerely for the first laugh of the day! zappaman Jul 2014 #68
First laugh? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #76
I humbly bow to your hilariousness. zappaman Jul 2014 #83
Why do you keep repeating that, SidDithers of DU? Do you want me to be a Republican? Octafish Jul 2014 #34
There are a few H2O Man Aug 2014 #146
50,000 people were killed by Vioxx alone MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #106
Millions have been saved by vaccines... SidDithers Jul 2014 #112
I defended anti-vaccers? Really? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #113
Oh, sorry, I thought we were playing the false-accusation game... SidDithers Jul 2014 #114
June 11, 2013. HuckleB Jul 2014 #2
When was the last time William K. Black appeared on US television? Octafish Jul 2014 #48
Who gives a crap? HuckleB Jul 2014 #49
Excuse for what? You denigrating Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? Octafish Jul 2014 #52
You can conflate, all you want. HuckleB Jul 2014 #53
Not conflation. Denigration is the issue. Octafish Jul 2014 #58
"important news about his father's beliefs in regards to the assassination of the President." zappaman Jul 2014 #61
''Your manners overwhelm me.'' Octafish Jul 2014 #121
June 1, 2013. HuckleB Jul 2014 #3
When was the last time Greg Palast appeared on US television? Octafish Jul 2014 #50
Yawn. HuckleB Jul 2014 #51
June 12, 2013 HuckleB Jul 2014 #4
He's an anti-Vax kook. longship Jul 2014 #5
In the national news media? Iggo Jul 2014 #6
Here in Detroit, his dad's POV regarding JFK assassination was reported in the Free Press... Octafish Jul 2014 #35
July 16, 2014... SidDithers Jul 2014 #7
July 21, 2014... SidDithers Jul 2014 #8
Still upset the Kennedy kids didn't blow the lid of the assassinations last year... zappaman Jul 2014 #9
His 'daddy' was Robert F. Kennedy whose opinion on his brother's assassination is of great interest sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #11
Ted, on the other hand, was bought off? jberryhill Jul 2014 #28
Ted Kennedy was a human being who was not infallible. He was eg, totally wrong about Bush Jr's sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #42
so, Bobby got more information and changed his mind... jberryhill Jul 2014 #43
How would I know, I wasn't privy to their personal conversations. It's very likely that he did not sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #119
His "daddy" worked for McCarthy and retained a great fondness for him REP Jul 2014 #33
RFK made a remarkable transformation between the '50s and '60s Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #127
Lol, thanks Octafish. Apparently it worked as I saw a snarky comment yesterday about 'waiting for sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #10
Many here at the "underground" are quite content with their programming villager Jul 2014 #26
I've noticed that too. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #37
When dealing with conspiracy theories.... NCTraveler Jul 2014 #12
Not sure. I do know RFK, Jr. and his sister said what their good father told them. Octafish Jul 2014 #36
Not sure? Interesting. Kennedys are about as large of a dynasty as you will ever see. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #44
Oh, I'm sure I prefer the Kennedy over the Bush philosophy. Octafish Jul 2014 #47
Since dynasties appear to be 'in' these days, I most definitely 'like to pick and choose' as you put sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #103
Well, we've done appreciation threads, 50 shades threads....is RFK going to be the new thing we all msanthrope Jul 2014 #13
A few years out of date, but some things are timeless. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #16
December is my favorite! zappaman Jul 2014 #18
We gotta make a "Summer Camp" weekly schedule! If I knew how to do that, I would, but msanthrope Jul 2014 #19
Well 4Q2u2 Jul 2014 #56
What's the point of this? mathematic Jul 2014 #14
My purpose is to gauge DUers' awareness of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's real views. Octafish Jul 2014 #117
Just Commenting Right Now So I Can ChiciB1 Jul 2014 #15
Following your tangent, Alvin Toffler predicted this, way back in the 1970s Electric Monk Jul 2014 #21
I Obviously Missed His Book! But I Do Think "I'm" ChiciB1 Jul 2014 #29
Still not changing that RFK Jr is a dangerous batshit crazy asshat. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #17
a lot of perfectly normal people believe crazy things. Believing that vacines cause autism in Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #20
I heard him say some incredibly stupid things REP Jul 2014 #22
I heard him say some incredibly brave things. Octafish Jul 2014 #54
You're confusing "bravery" with "hubris" REP Jul 2014 #60
No. Brave is standing up to the powerful and speaking truth. Octafish Jul 2014 #64
Name-calling by a powerful man is not brave. It's childish. REP Jul 2014 #75
Childish indeed... SidDithers Jul 2014 #82
Yeah. Like the time you implied Naomi Klein was a drunk in college. Octafish Jul 2014 #86
I don't get them confused. You do...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #87
Did you actually see Naomi Klein drinking, SidDithers of DU? Octafish Jul 2014 #122
Naomi Klein bobduca Aug 2014 #140
Liberals and progressives are so low. Octafish Feb 2016 #147
Big Media and debunkers johnnyreb Jul 2014 #25
hey man glad to see you still hanging around! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #142
Need one more option Doctor_J Jul 2014 #27
"Other" H2O Man Jul 2014 #30
I'm sure he's a good guy and his environmental work is stellar zappaman Jul 2014 #31
Sorry, but Kennedy is the clown here... SidDithers Jul 2014 #32
Almost no more mercury in vaccines RobertEarl Jul 2014 #57
... SidDithers Jul 2014 #67
They quit using mercury RobertEarl Jul 2014 #69
And autism rates continued to rise... SidDithers Jul 2014 #70
RFK Jr got thiomersal removed from vaccines! NuclearDem Jul 2014 #72
You saying RFK had no effect on thiomersal being removed? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #73
Here, let's review. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #78
You are confused RobertEarl Jul 2014 #93
The fuck are you blabbing on about? NuclearDem Jul 2014 #102
WTF? Not all mercury is the same? wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #134
... NuclearDem Aug 2014 #135
mercury compounds are different! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #137
Anyone with a functioning knowledge of chemistry knows what I meant. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #144
right! anyone can read your mind, wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #145
Wow. zappaman Aug 2014 #136
See what I put up with? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #139
I know. wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #141
Too bad there is no vaccine for that RobertEarl Aug 2014 #143
It's the magic time machine... SidDithers Jul 2014 #74
You have been blaming him all along RobertEarl Jul 2014 #77
The medical community advised it removed as a precautionary principle. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #79
Comedy gold... SidDithers Jul 2014 #81
And you? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #95
Oh, you were done a long, long time ago... SidDithers Jul 2014 #96
I've long since stopped being surprised by the anti-science nonsense that gets posted here. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #80
Objections to that is not crazy talk; it's science. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #90
Uh. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #71
What wisdom? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #88
You left one out. zappaman Jul 2014 #89
So why was it removed? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #91
I told you why it was removed MattBaggins Jul 2014 #92
That is only your opinion RobertEarl Jul 2014 #94
No no no.. Not opinion.. Medical research even from the time it was removed MattBaggins Jul 2014 #97
So they put it back in? No RobertEarl Jul 2014 #98
I don't give a flying fuck about RFK jr MattBaggins Jul 2014 #99
Here is RFK being quoted at link posted RobertEarl Aug 2014 #138
No they didn't. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #104
Why do you have to keep calling him an asshat? Punkingal Jul 2014 #101
Gosh, do I trust H2O Man, or Sid? Tell you what, sport DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #111
Gosh. RFK Jr, Jenny McCarthy, Alex Jones, naturalnews and whale.to ... SidDithers Jul 2014 #115
When you look again, you'll see I was not commenting on the OP DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #126
Thank you, most of us here on DU are pretty smart. Whenever we see something that looks like a sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #39
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2014 #40
You are a wiser person than I am H20 Man, not to engage such wonderful people. I'm afraid I can't sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #41
14 years ago, H2O Man Jul 2014 #45
Horrible that this happened to your nephew. And wonderful of RFK Jr to come to your assistance in sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #118
Well said. CanSocDem Jul 2014 #46
That's a good example, thanks for the reminder. bananas Jul 2014 #84
Yes, it can. It's not the DU we first came to, that's for sure. But it's the internet, and we have sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #107
Too funny. zappaman Jul 2014 #108
Of course not, that would be foolish on a Democratic Forum. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #109
VERY astute: "I suspect that RFK is working on something important, possibly FRACKING, just a guess" Hekate Jul 2014 #128
Funny, those very same people are in this thread! Rex Jul 2014 #38
Remember Ohio in 2004? RFK, Jr. wrote about it in Rolling Stone in 2006. Octafish Jul 2014 #85
I don't listen to or watch any national news media. LWolf Jul 2014 #100
Those who study the Kennedy assassinations understand these cogent arguments to "Public Eye" MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #105
Only at DU, Octafish. Only at DU. Hekate Jul 2014 #110
The only business mentioned by name in the Constitution is the Press. Octafish Jul 2014 #120
They don't count. H2O Man Jul 2014 #123
Thank you. You are correct. Octafish Jul 2014 #124
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2014 #125
No truer words have been spoken. What they say does not matter at all sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #129
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2014 #130
Lol, that reminds of Wilbur from Charlotte's Web when he tried to argue that sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #131
I think this thread, H2O Man Jul 2014 #132
I did see it. And I thought about DU's Kennedy bashers and wonder how I came to be on sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #133
"other" 2banon Jul 2014 #116
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