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Octafish

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54. I heard him say some incredibly brave things.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

I heard him speak at my alma mater, Wayne State University in 2007.



Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook, turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury, polluted our water, land, air and children, and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.

He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are. Among other things, he called Antonin Scalia the son of a Nazi and explained why. I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.

Most Americans known nothing of this. They need to do some more reading. A good start is with the writings of law professor Donald E. Wilkes:



DESTINY BETRAYED:
THE CIA, OSWALD, AND
THE JFK ASSASSINATION


Published in Flagpole Magazine, p. 8 (Dec. 7, 2005).

Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.

In place of the strong sense of faith in man and mankind, we now have a heavy feeling of a failed mission, of destiny betrayed and unfulfilled. – Rav Alex Israel

The deepest cover story of the CIA is that it is an intelligence organization. – Bulletin of the Federation of American Scientists


Today, 42 years after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, few responsible researchers who have studied JFK’s murder accept the Warren Commission’s main conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, committed the crime. (The Warren Commission was the body appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the Kennedy assassination; it released its Report in September 1964.) As these researchers have shown again and again in scores of books and articles, evidence available to the Commission but improperly evaluated, erroneously rejected, or simply not pursued by that body, together with new evidence unavailable to the Commission, discredits the principal finding of the Warren Report. JFK’s death was, these researchers believe, carried out by a conspiracy; it was not the act of a lone assassin. Different researchers, however, have different conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists also disagree about Oswald: some maintain that he was simply one of the conspirators; others claim that, while he was a member of the conspiracy, he was also unknowingly a dupe of the other conspirators who intended for him to be the fall guy; and still other theorists think that Oswald was a wholly innocent person set up by the conspirators as the patsy. Furthermore, the theorists who regard Oswald as a conspirator disagree as to whether he fired any of the shots in Dealey Plaza.

SNIP...

The theory that JFK’s murder was engineered by the CIA (or by persons affiliated with the CIA), and that the CIA covered up its connections to the murder, warrants serious consideration and should not be peremptorily rejected. In the 1960’s the CIA more resembled an untouchable crime syndicate than a legitimate government entity. Lavishly but secretly funded, unrestrained by public opinion, cloaked in secrecy, conducting whatever foreign or domestic clandestine operations it wished without regard to laws or morals, and specializing in deception, falsification, and mystification, the CIA was riddled at all levels with ruthless, cynical officials and employees who believed that they were above the law, that any means were justified to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, and that insofar as their surreptitious activities were concerned it was justifiable to lie with impunity to anyone, even presidents and legislators. Many of these individuals, thinking he was soft on communism, that he would reduce the size of the military industrial complex, and that he was to blame for the Bay of Pigs disaster (the failed CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba in 1961), hated and despised Kennedy. The CIA routinely circumvented and defied attempts by the executive and legislative branches to monitor its activities. It was involved in innumerable unlawful or outrageous activities. It illegally opened the mail of Americans. It interfered with free elections in foreign countries and arranged to destabilize or overthrow the governments of other countries. It plotted the murder of various foreign leaders. It arranged to hire the Mafia to help with some of these proposed murder plots. It unlawfully stored–in quantities, UGA political science professor Loch K. Johnson notes, sufficient “to destroy the population of a small city”–exotic toxic agents, including cobra venom and shellfish toxin, for the purpose of committing murders. It manufactured and used sinister lethal weaponry, including what Prof. Johnson calls “the ultimate murder weapon,” an electric handgun (the CIA called it a “noise-free disseminator”) with a telescopic sight which could noiselessly and accurately fire poison-tipped darts (the CIA called them “nondiscernible microbioinoculators”) up to a distance of 250 feet. It undoubtedly carried out multiple secret murders and other heinous crimes which it successfully kept hidden. Furthermore, it is now firmly established that after the JFK assassination the CIA simultaneously lied to, and withheld important information from, the Warren Commission.

One of the first serious investigators to raise credible claims that CIA operatives or ex-CIA operatives were involved in the JFK assassination was Jim Garrison, who served as the district attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana from 1962 to 1974. (A brief chronology of Garrison’s life and investigation is set forth at the end of this article.) Garrison and his office investigated the assassination for about five years, from late 1966 until early 1971. His investigation led Garrison to believe that, regardless of whoever actually fired the shots in Dealey Plaza, the assassination was the result of a plot hatched in New Orleans by persons with CIA connections. Furthermore, Garrison concluded, following the assassination the CIA engaged in a coverup to protect itself and the assassins. Garrison brought to trial the only criminal proceeding in which someone was actually charged with involvement in the JFK assassination. Garrison wrote two important books, the first published in 1970, the second in 1988, in which he recounted his investigation and shared the important new facts he had discovered.

In the words of journalist Fred Powledge, who wrote a magazine article on Garrison published in 1967, Garrison thought that “the assassins were CIA employees who were angered at President Kennedy’s posture on Cuba following the Bay of Pigs disaster, and that the CIA was frustrating his investigation, although the agency knew the whereabouts of the assassins.” Philosophy professor Richard H. Popkin, in another magazine article published in 1967, summarized Garrison’s views on the assassination as follows: “The thesis Garrison has set forth is that a group of New Orleans-based, anti-Castroites, supported and/or encouraged by the CIA in their anti-Castro activities, in the late summer or early fall of 1963 conspired to assassinate John F. Kennedy. This group, according to Garrison, included (Clay) Shaw, (David) Ferrie, (Lee Harvey) Oswald, ... and others, including Cuban exiles and American anti-Castroites.... (T)heir plan was executed in Dallas on November 22, 1963. At least part of their motivation ... was their reaction to Kennedy’s decisions at the Bay of Pigs and the changes in U.S. policy toward Cuba following the missiles crisis of 1962.”

In a 1967 interview, Garrison himself phrased his basic conclusions this way: “(A) number of the men who killed the President were former employees of the CIA involved in its anti-Castro underground activities in and around New Orleans.... We must assume that the plotters were acting on their own rather than on CIA orders when they killed the President. As far as we been able to determine, they were not on the pay of the CIA at the time of the assassination.... The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President, so from the moment Kennedy’s heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.... In this respect, it has become an accessory after the fact in the assassination.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html



Prof. Wilkes' bibiliography is an excellent survey of what was available at the time of his writing that article. Several new works have been published since. I'll try to get back and recommend them to you when I get the time.

Remember: Readers are leaders. Those who believe the tee vee go along with wars in Iraq and Vietnam and wherever else its profitable.

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Keep tugging that forelock, octafish...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #1
I found this interesting: REP Jul 2014 #23
Yeah, Salon put this up in place of the article... SidDithers Jul 2014 #24
Salon is a corporate rag RobertEarl Jul 2014 #55
Coming from someone who loves ENEnews... zappaman Jul 2014 #59
Salon is a whore to corporations RobertEarl Jul 2014 #62
Uh huh. zappaman Jul 2014 #63
Do you not Love Enenews? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #65
You misspelled batshit. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #66
Thank you sincerely for the first laugh of the day! zappaman Jul 2014 #68
First laugh? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #76
I humbly bow to your hilariousness. zappaman Jul 2014 #83
Why do you keep repeating that, SidDithers of DU? Do you want me to be a Republican? Octafish Jul 2014 #34
There are a few H2O Man Aug 2014 #146
50,000 people were killed by Vioxx alone MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #106
Millions have been saved by vaccines... SidDithers Jul 2014 #112
I defended anti-vaccers? Really? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #113
Oh, sorry, I thought we were playing the false-accusation game... SidDithers Jul 2014 #114
June 11, 2013. HuckleB Jul 2014 #2
When was the last time William K. Black appeared on US television? Octafish Jul 2014 #48
Who gives a crap? HuckleB Jul 2014 #49
Excuse for what? You denigrating Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? Octafish Jul 2014 #52
You can conflate, all you want. HuckleB Jul 2014 #53
Not conflation. Denigration is the issue. Octafish Jul 2014 #58
"important news about his father's beliefs in regards to the assassination of the President." zappaman Jul 2014 #61
''Your manners overwhelm me.'' Octafish Jul 2014 #121
June 1, 2013. HuckleB Jul 2014 #3
When was the last time Greg Palast appeared on US television? Octafish Jul 2014 #50
Yawn. HuckleB Jul 2014 #51
June 12, 2013 HuckleB Jul 2014 #4
He's an anti-Vax kook. longship Jul 2014 #5
In the national news media? Iggo Jul 2014 #6
Here in Detroit, his dad's POV regarding JFK assassination was reported in the Free Press... Octafish Jul 2014 #35
July 16, 2014... SidDithers Jul 2014 #7
July 21, 2014... SidDithers Jul 2014 #8
Still upset the Kennedy kids didn't blow the lid of the assassinations last year... zappaman Jul 2014 #9
His 'daddy' was Robert F. Kennedy whose opinion on his brother's assassination is of great interest sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #11
Ted, on the other hand, was bought off? jberryhill Jul 2014 #28
Ted Kennedy was a human being who was not infallible. He was eg, totally wrong about Bush Jr's sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #42
so, Bobby got more information and changed his mind... jberryhill Jul 2014 #43
How would I know, I wasn't privy to their personal conversations. It's very likely that he did not sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #119
His "daddy" worked for McCarthy and retained a great fondness for him REP Jul 2014 #33
RFK made a remarkable transformation between the '50s and '60s Art_from_Ark Jul 2014 #127
Lol, thanks Octafish. Apparently it worked as I saw a snarky comment yesterday about 'waiting for sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #10
Many here at the "underground" are quite content with their programming villager Jul 2014 #26
I've noticed that too. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #37
When dealing with conspiracy theories.... NCTraveler Jul 2014 #12
Not sure. I do know RFK, Jr. and his sister said what their good father told them. Octafish Jul 2014 #36
Not sure? Interesting. Kennedys are about as large of a dynasty as you will ever see. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #44
Oh, I'm sure I prefer the Kennedy over the Bush philosophy. Octafish Jul 2014 #47
Since dynasties appear to be 'in' these days, I most definitely 'like to pick and choose' as you put sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #103
Well, we've done appreciation threads, 50 shades threads....is RFK going to be the new thing we all msanthrope Jul 2014 #13
A few years out of date, but some things are timeless. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #16
December is my favorite! zappaman Jul 2014 #18
We gotta make a "Summer Camp" weekly schedule! If I knew how to do that, I would, but msanthrope Jul 2014 #19
Well 4Q2u2 Jul 2014 #56
What's the point of this? mathematic Jul 2014 #14
My purpose is to gauge DUers' awareness of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's real views. Octafish Jul 2014 #117
Just Commenting Right Now So I Can ChiciB1 Jul 2014 #15
Following your tangent, Alvin Toffler predicted this, way back in the 1970s Electric Monk Jul 2014 #21
I Obviously Missed His Book! But I Do Think "I'm" ChiciB1 Jul 2014 #29
Still not changing that RFK Jr is a dangerous batshit crazy asshat. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #17
a lot of perfectly normal people believe crazy things. Believing that vacines cause autism in Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #20
I heard him say some incredibly stupid things REP Jul 2014 #22
I heard him say some incredibly brave things. Octafish Jul 2014 #54
You're confusing "bravery" with "hubris" REP Jul 2014 #60
No. Brave is standing up to the powerful and speaking truth. Octafish Jul 2014 #64
Name-calling by a powerful man is not brave. It's childish. REP Jul 2014 #75
Childish indeed... SidDithers Jul 2014 #82
Yeah. Like the time you implied Naomi Klein was a drunk in college. Octafish Jul 2014 #86
I don't get them confused. You do...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #87
Did you actually see Naomi Klein drinking, SidDithers of DU? Octafish Jul 2014 #122
Naomi Klein bobduca Aug 2014 #140
Liberals and progressives are so low. Octafish Feb 2016 #147
Big Media and debunkers johnnyreb Jul 2014 #25
hey man glad to see you still hanging around! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #142
Need one more option Doctor_J Jul 2014 #27
"Other" H2O Man Jul 2014 #30
I'm sure he's a good guy and his environmental work is stellar zappaman Jul 2014 #31
Sorry, but Kennedy is the clown here... SidDithers Jul 2014 #32
Almost no more mercury in vaccines RobertEarl Jul 2014 #57
... SidDithers Jul 2014 #67
They quit using mercury RobertEarl Jul 2014 #69
And autism rates continued to rise... SidDithers Jul 2014 #70
RFK Jr got thiomersal removed from vaccines! NuclearDem Jul 2014 #72
You saying RFK had no effect on thiomersal being removed? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #73
Here, let's review. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #78
You are confused RobertEarl Jul 2014 #93
The fuck are you blabbing on about? NuclearDem Jul 2014 #102
WTF? Not all mercury is the same? wildbilln864 Jul 2014 #134
... NuclearDem Aug 2014 #135
mercury compounds are different! wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #137
Anyone with a functioning knowledge of chemistry knows what I meant. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #144
right! anyone can read your mind, wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #145
Wow. zappaman Aug 2014 #136
See what I put up with? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #139
I know. wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #141
Too bad there is no vaccine for that RobertEarl Aug 2014 #143
It's the magic time machine... SidDithers Jul 2014 #74
You have been blaming him all along RobertEarl Jul 2014 #77
The medical community advised it removed as a precautionary principle. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #79
Comedy gold... SidDithers Jul 2014 #81
And you? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #95
Oh, you were done a long, long time ago... SidDithers Jul 2014 #96
I've long since stopped being surprised by the anti-science nonsense that gets posted here. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #80
Objections to that is not crazy talk; it's science. MattBaggins Jul 2014 #90
Uh. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #71
What wisdom? MattBaggins Jul 2014 #88
You left one out. zappaman Jul 2014 #89
So why was it removed? RobertEarl Jul 2014 #91
I told you why it was removed MattBaggins Jul 2014 #92
That is only your opinion RobertEarl Jul 2014 #94
No no no.. Not opinion.. Medical research even from the time it was removed MattBaggins Jul 2014 #97
So they put it back in? No RobertEarl Jul 2014 #98
I don't give a flying fuck about RFK jr MattBaggins Jul 2014 #99
Here is RFK being quoted at link posted RobertEarl Aug 2014 #138
No they didn't. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #104
Why do you have to keep calling him an asshat? Punkingal Jul 2014 #101
Gosh, do I trust H2O Man, or Sid? Tell you what, sport DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #111
Gosh. RFK Jr, Jenny McCarthy, Alex Jones, naturalnews and whale.to ... SidDithers Jul 2014 #115
When you look again, you'll see I was not commenting on the OP DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #126
Thank you, most of us here on DU are pretty smart. Whenever we see something that looks like a sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #39
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2014 #40
You are a wiser person than I am H20 Man, not to engage such wonderful people. I'm afraid I can't sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #41
14 years ago, H2O Man Jul 2014 #45
Horrible that this happened to your nephew. And wonderful of RFK Jr to come to your assistance in sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #118
Well said. CanSocDem Jul 2014 #46
That's a good example, thanks for the reminder. bananas Jul 2014 #84
Yes, it can. It's not the DU we first came to, that's for sure. But it's the internet, and we have sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #107
Too funny. zappaman Jul 2014 #108
Of course not, that would be foolish on a Democratic Forum. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #109
VERY astute: "I suspect that RFK is working on something important, possibly FRACKING, just a guess" Hekate Jul 2014 #128
Funny, those very same people are in this thread! Rex Jul 2014 #38
Remember Ohio in 2004? RFK, Jr. wrote about it in Rolling Stone in 2006. Octafish Jul 2014 #85
I don't listen to or watch any national news media. LWolf Jul 2014 #100
Those who study the Kennedy assassinations understand these cogent arguments to "Public Eye" MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #105
Only at DU, Octafish. Only at DU. Hekate Jul 2014 #110
The only business mentioned by name in the Constitution is the Press. Octafish Jul 2014 #120
They don't count. H2O Man Jul 2014 #123
Thank you. You are correct. Octafish Jul 2014 #124
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2014 #125
No truer words have been spoken. What they say does not matter at all sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #129
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2014 #130
Lol, that reminds of Wilbur from Charlotte's Web when he tried to argue that sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #131
I think this thread, H2O Man Jul 2014 #132
I did see it. And I thought about DU's Kennedy bashers and wonder how I came to be on sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #133
"other" 2banon Jul 2014 #116
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