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Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
26. Religion, culture, pragmatism, and guilt
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jul 2014

Religion is one answer. Supporters of Israel see ours as a Judeo-Christian nation and therefore believe it is our duty to help our "Jewish brothers," especially in such a hostile part of the world. Interestingly, when you look back over the past 1500 years or so, Jews and Muslims were much more likely to be allies while Christians were more than happy to fight both.

Culture is another one. Israeli culture is generally far more Westernized than Arab culture, and this makes it easier for the average person to identify with Israelis than with Palestinians. Furthermore, the Palestinians have historically been allied with Hamas and other groups who like to engage in terrorist activities, which doesn't help their image among Americans.

Israel is also seen as one of the very few reliable allies in the region. Plus while Israel often does what it wants, there is an argument to be made that US support for Israel actually tempers their actions. I've seen several people make compelling cases that without the threat of the US withdrawing financial and political support, Israel probably would've engaged in many more military campaigns.

Lastly, there is guilt. Jews have traditionally not been treated very well, and like I said, Christians have often been the worst offenders. Then there is the Holocaust, and while the Jews weren't the only victims of that genocide, they bore the brunt of it, and many Americans feel we would be making a huge mistake if we left the Israeli Jews to fend for themselves. Hamas and others have not exactly made it a secret that the complete destruction of Israel is their ultimate goal.

At least that's my take on things, regardless of whether our support for Israel is ultimately good or bad.

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It's complicated atreides1 Jul 2014 #1
It's simply complicated..... o complicatedly simple. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2014 #6
I have been wondering this for decades. hifiguy Jul 2014 #2
What gets my goat is that the range of debate is so narrow el_bryanto Jul 2014 #3
oh yeah--even the critic is Jewish themselves. yurbud Jul 2014 #7
Good point, it makes me wonder Babel_17 Jul 2014 #35
I was told it is because Israel holds a great percent of the world wealth. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #4
Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #14
Ha.well I've said those same words to him on several of our discussions, so I'll just leave it there misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #31
..but then farther down to POST #30..may explain what my friend was referring to. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #32
The wealth of a nation is essentially determined by productive capacity (GDP) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #34
Yep. They let you in on the 'secret' - COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #38
Our Israel Policy is unanimously supported by MineralMan Jul 2014 #5
supported is one thing, but allowing the appearance of letting Israel take the lead yurbud Jul 2014 #8
I'm not seeing Israel taking the lead. MineralMan Jul 2014 #11
The condemnation says attack not the Israel attack upaloopa Jul 2014 #15
Obama and Kerry to a lesser degree are taking the reins a bit more, but if it was any other yurbud Jul 2014 #16
If you're curious, you might read some history. MineralMan Jul 2014 #17
I've done quite a bit of reading on it, and the minuses seem to nearly outweigh pluses yurbud Jul 2014 #39
a lot of the stated reasons for policies are very different from the real ones yurbud Jul 2014 #45
When they build new settlements even as we are trying to negotiate peace... yurbud Jul 2014 #43
And Congress is unanimously paid by AIPAC. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #20
I think a lot of the idea comes from the idea that upaloopa Jul 2014 #9
Israel HELPS guide our foreign policy with respect to Israel, closeupready Jul 2014 #10
Helps? Let's compare how we treated France after they refused to join the Iraq War yurbud Jul 2014 #54
most Americans are not aware of the history of the creating of Israel La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #12
i often see gays blindly support israel because it is "pro gay" m-lekktor Jul 2014 #24
Did you know there are thousands of American born Jews who volunteer for the Israeli Army? Avalux Jul 2014 #13
One can serve, and to say our "loyalty" are ONLY with Israel is not true. SQUEE Jul 2014 #19
So you've served. Thanks for replying... Avalux Jul 2014 #23
I also came HOME SQUEE Jul 2014 #25
I appreciate your honesty.... Avalux Jul 2014 #33
Israel is in some ways an extension of the U.S. Enrique Jul 2014 #18
Many Israelis made aliyah (emigrated) from U.S. Jewish strongholds KamaAina Jul 2014 #21
An extension... like the tail that wags the dog. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #22
Religion, culture, pragmatism, and guilt Matrosov Jul 2014 #26
the less foreign argument makes sense. Israel could not have engaged in the military operations yurbud Jul 2014 #40
When you win, your side's terror organizations, i.e. the Irgun HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #46
Older Americans were raised on an incredible amount of Israeli propaganda 4now Jul 2014 #27
Most Americans simply don't care and the corporate media helps keep it that way. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #28
It is actually very simple...we are Israel's "bitch" Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #29
This is one hell of a doozy of a post oberliner Jul 2014 #49
"the Jews killing innocent civilians in Gaza" countryjake Jul 2014 #50
What the fuck is this bullshit? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #53
Careful, ismnotwasm. countryjake Jul 2014 #55
Very Simple kcjohn1 Jul 2014 #30
this would imply that rich Jews have different motivations from other rich people yurbud Jul 2014 #42
It will take a couple more generations to change that tularetom Jul 2014 #36
there is something to that. yurbud Jul 2014 #41
Because it has something to do with religion. randome Jul 2014 #37
I think the TV media is probably a very large reason. Trillo Jul 2014 #44
All that average Americans hear is our MSM's propaganda... countryjake Jul 2014 #47
I tend to think of the strategic value too, but again, that comes at a heavy price yurbud Jul 2014 #48
It's a codependent relationship fujiyama Jul 2014 #51
good points all. yurbud Jul 2014 #56
Melani McAlister says since '76 we've seen them as a proxy--someone that can do what we want to do MisterP Jul 2014 #52
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