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joshcryer

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11. I don't even respond to the holocaust / genocide statements.

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:22 AM

Jul 2014

It's just so out of touch with reality it's a joke. Germany made it an industry to execute people. Millions of people. Executed. It's just impossible to wrap ones head around it because of the magnitude at which it happened. Does that excuse anything? No. Just don't make that short sighted comparison. They're completely different ballparks.

Call it what it is. Collective punishment. Willful murder. Even war crimes.

That being said, I think that Hamas and the Arab League and in particular Saudia Arabia is getting too much of a pass for their involvement in the conflict. The PA gets about $2 billion in aid. The US gives Israel about $4 billion in aid. Proportionately, the PA gets 7 times as much aid as Israel. There are some serious structural issues going on with the PA and Gaza. Serious.

What Israel is doing is wrong and it is benefiting Hamas and other extremists in the long run. Let the rockets rain down and just wait it out. Yes citizens will die. Maybe a whole ten citizens before they run out of rockets. Then what? Hamas and the people funding the rockets will no longer get any sort of recognition for "fighting" because nothing happened due to it. But because something has happened, because they are being responded to with far greater and excessive force, they are being seen as fighting against an enemy that wants to destroy them (even as their official doctrine is the destruction of Israel).

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Gaza. I agree it is a massacre and should stop immediately. [View all] Bonobo Jul 2014 OP

I don't get it Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #1

Yup, does it surprise you that some people have complex feelings, Roy? nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #2

Life is full of conflicting feelings. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3

I don't conflate Judaism with Israels' actions. n/t jaysunb Jul 2014 #4

Thank you. This is a good point. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #8

+1 Egnever Jul 2014 #61

yet when it comes to women you take a different stand JI7 Jul 2014 #5

WTF? No, I really don't. Bonobo Jul 2014 #6

HATE it when that happens, don't you? Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #7

Roy, I responded to what you put in your OP. It is very different. Bonobo Jul 2014 #9

That is very direct JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #54

Bonobo, I respect you. I understand the conflict. And I know you are a person of conscience. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #10

Thanks Sabrina. My conflict really isn't over "supporting" Israel. Bonobo Jul 2014 #12

Israel seems to get compared to the Nazis more than almost anyone else. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #14

I couldn't have said that better. Exactly. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #19

I am so sorry that this happened to you. I did not know that. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #15

Well said. No, Bibi does NOT represent Jews. He doesn't even represent most Israelis I think. Bonobo Jul 2014 #17

Jews need to make it clear that Netanyahu doesn't represent them? oberliner Jul 2014 #87

Who voted for him, Arabs? Who DOES he represent in your opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #88

When I see people taking a slaughter of other human beings and making it about themselves... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #22

Not a "tone" thing. Bonobo Jul 2014 #28

As I've explained, I've been a critic of using "genocide" as well Scootaloo Jul 2014 #32

Yes. Bonobo Jul 2014 #33

Thanks Scootaloo Jul 2014 #35

It's okay, I'm having a hard time as well. Bonobo Jul 2014 #36

Right there with you. DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #42

Your posts are better then home made caramel. Puglover Jul 2014 #86

Scootallo , I think I love you...your literary talent is a rare thing. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #81

FYI, Bonobo... ReRe Jul 2014 #30

Thanks, ReRe. Bonobo Jul 2014 #38

I forgot about the pennies. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #41

I don't even respond to the holocaust / genocide statements. joshcryer Jul 2014 #11

Beautiful, Josh. Bonobo Jul 2014 #13

Yeah joshcryer Jul 2014 #20

That is how I see it. War crimes, crimes against humanity. morningfog Jul 2014 #23

And I can NOT disagree with that. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #25

Each incursion ann--- Jul 2014 #29

The rockets do not "defend them" from Israel. joshcryer Jul 2014 #39

Netanyahoo didn't ann--- Jul 2014 #64

The Palestinian Authority has no power over Hamas. joshcryer Jul 2014 #66

You're all over the place there. Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #34

This is true. joshcryer Jul 2014 #37

Damn Bonobo, I'm an atheist and I'm conflicted too. Throd Jul 2014 #16

Your sig line compares a group to Nazis. morningfog Jul 2014 #18

It's a quote by Hunter Thompson. Bonobo Jul 2014 #21

Got ya. I am not familiar with the quote. morningfog Jul 2014 #24

I don't believe Netanyahu's government is committing genocide, Bonobo, but Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #26

Israel is not fully culpable for the state of Gaza. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40

The Gaza Ghetto is severely aggravated by Israel's blockade. Any peoples trapped into a dense Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #44

I agree. joshcryer Jul 2014 #46

I believe they were about to, Hamas was actively working to stop rocket attacks; which had decreased Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #48

They started shooting first. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51

"IDF source: Hamas working to stop Gaza rockets" Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #55

I don't buy it. joshcryer Jul 2014 #57

Well apparently Brig.-Gen. Micky Edelstein, commander of the army�s Gaza Division did. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #59

Good post Uncle Joe malaise Jul 2014 #70

Thanks, malaise. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #71

The Holocaust comments are false, offensive and disrespectful. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #45

I never said Netanyahu's government has committed a Holocaust but any nation is capable of doing so, Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #47

No, you didn't, but implied it was coming. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #49

I implied it's possible and it is, the Germans and even Nazis don't have a monopoly on evil or Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #50

Strawmen aside (the Germans and even Nazis don't have a monopoly on evil )... Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #52

Do you believe the man in the pic is feeding off the collective guilt of the Holocaust? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #58

Yes. Because it is what is expected of "good Jews" when Israel does anything. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #60

I De-Facto acknowledged anti-semitism existed in my first post that you responded to. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #63

Some points Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #65

Some points for you, but who is the victim? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #68

+1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #53

Oh you! Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #56

I'm fine with that JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #73

Many of us live in a country that makes us feel that way everyday. I am not a Jew but your jwirr Jul 2014 #27

The ann--- Jul 2014 #31

I get it madokie Jul 2014 #43

Excellent post, Bonobo leftynyc Jul 2014 #62

Good post. I know what you mean. And it's heartbreaking for all people who want peace. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #67

I understand your feelings but do you know about that other malaise Jul 2014 #69

I know a lot about it. Bonobo Jul 2014 #72

There's a thread out there that directly compares Israel with Nazi Germany. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #74

Great question. Bonobo Jul 2014 #75

Because there is a seething antisemitism hiding just below the surface for many, many folks TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #78

Nazi comparions are uncool and not accurate steve2470 Jul 2014 #76

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2014 #77

Dead is dead. 'Quibbling' about whether or not it qualifies as another Holocaust is ridiculous. randome Jul 2014 #79

see this 840high Jul 2014 #80

I guess it would be less of a massacre Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #82

I find it interesting nobody is all worked up about the much more deadly Calista241 Jul 2014 #83

It's easier to argue where and when everyone agrees the other is wrong Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #84

I agree with all but one of your points. jimlup Jul 2014 #85