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davidpdx

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39. This is one of the rare times I agree with you

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 02:41 AM

Jul 2014

In fact I had the same thoughts reading through the article. Each of the things that the bill give them asks for nothing in return. If they really want some (certainly not all) of this then they can stop taking the finger off the button long enough to make forward progress for a few years.

The extra money, the free technology, and cooperation in the different areas. No, fuck that. If they want something, the visa waiver program is the one to hold over their head. It's not that big of a concession, but if we push we could get something for it. Certainly we shouldn't just hand it to them. No one deserves that.

By the way, some background on the visa waiver program. It took South Korea many years to finally get approved for it. There were several issues that South Korea had to improve on before they could be approved including human trafficking, visas overstays, and others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Certainly no country should be given favoritism over others. Korea had to work to get approved for it, so should Israel.

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Sen. Barbara Boxer has introduced a VERY pro-Israel bill...and it's co-sponsored by Elizabeth Warren [View all] Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP

OK. Boxer and Warren, I love them both. babylonsister Jul 2014 #1

Evidently there are some who think that people who prefer Warren to Hillary will djean111 Jul 2014 #6

No there are some here who are realists who know that there is no Saintly President coming VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #11

+1000 Solomon Jul 2014 #15

Except every time a post tries to spark that pyre against her Union Scribe Jul 2014 #16

uh I am not among the perpetually dissatisfied crowd who are building a pyre... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #20

Sure about that? Union Scribe Jul 2014 #23

I don't have a funeral pyre....I support whoever wins the Democratic Primary... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #47

Supporting the Democratic Primary winner doesn't mean we shouldn't whathehell Jul 2014 #102

Supporting WHOEVER can WIN....and whomever my fellow Democrats select.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #108

No one thought Obama could "win" initially either, if you recall. whathehell Jul 2014 #109

No one thinks she is a saint. djean111 Jul 2014 #18

Yet most Democrats disagree with you! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #21

Corporatists LOVE Hillary, for obvious reasons; they can have her. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #34

So all those millions that DO support HRC are all Corporatists.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #48

After 8 years RandiFan1290 Jul 2014 #50

It's a big deal if you don't vote Dem and a Repub wins. riqster Jul 2014 #81

its also a big deal here.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #96

Exactly right. That's in the TOS. It is why I am here. riqster Jul 2014 #99

Brilliantly and succinctly stated. You nailed it, right there. nt MADem Jul 2014 #27

Nailed it, Nailed it, Nailed it. Seriously. Number23 Jul 2014 #37

+1 there is not even a word about getting her a Democratic Congress treestar Jul 2014 #57

A little early to start talking of giving Hillary a Democratic Congress. djean111 Jul 2014 #65

Warren. treestar Jul 2014 #88

Yeah, it looks like a majority of us are realists. We are watching the reality play out sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #73

And what are you doing to stop the dead children? LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #101

Anyone who is POTUS will do something "corporate" treestar Jul 2014 #58

Really? Gosh, and here I was all set to vote in the Florida primary this month djean111 Jul 2014 #64

If Warren supports the slaugher of children in Gaza, I do not want her for ANY position sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #38

Yep. Just changed my signature line. Scuba Jul 2014 #41

Perhaps Boxer and Warren both can do nuance leftynyc Jul 2014 #45

There is no nuance in either party on Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #53

That you put the entire blame leftynyc Jul 2014 #54

That you couldn't read my short response Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #59

Unlike what you apparently believe about yourself leftynyc Jul 2014 #60

hmm. well you do like insults, however perhaps you could illuminate me. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #61

Perhaps they think that babies and innocent children are a threat to Israel's security? That kind sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #76

I see this history of hamas leftynyc Jul 2014 #77

The dead children were members of Hamas? I see you are using the Right Wing Israeli attack on our sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #79

Accusing me of being a right winger leftynyc Jul 2014 #91

The irony of this outrage AFTER you accused those of us who want this to stop of being 'Supporters sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #93

But you are supporting terrorists leftynyc Jul 2014 #94

Sure, me and John Kerry, we are supporting terrorists. Okay, if you say so. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #95

John Kerry leftynyc Jul 2014 #107

Boycotts all over the world, those two countries are likely just the beginning. And point sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #110

Hyperbole is so incredibly not helpful leftynyc Aug 2014 #111

Uh, you do seem to be choosing the side that has the large child kill count DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #103

I don't want anything from you leftynyc Jul 2014 #104

So no children have been killed by the IDF? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2014 #106

so who are you left with now????? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #49

Lets reward Israel for murdering children 4now Jul 2014 #2

nobody should be surprised by this JI7 Jul 2014 #3

I am surprised by this. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #5

it's an issue where those who oppose it still usually don't have it as a top issue JI7 Jul 2014 #8

Very true Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #10

In that case, they are among the more cowardly senators Mutiny In Heaven Jul 2014 #70

Yes, and it's bipartisan. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #9

Cant' really compare it to the NRA leftynyc Jul 2014 #46

I am also surprised. Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #40

Hooray for Sen. Boxer and Sen. Warren. IronGate Jul 2014 #4

15 minutes. Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #19

I'm with you, Major. Cha Jul 2014 #36

^This AnalystInParadise Jul 2014 #29

You know, I like both of these women very much Skidmore Jul 2014 #42

In other words, 77 Senators want to continue to sponsor Israel's war crimes. morningfog Jul 2014 #7

Agree with you 100% ann--- Jul 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #12

Why should Israel be working with US Policy on Energy, Water, Homeland Security and Alternative Fuel KoKo Jul 2014 #13

This is one of the rare times I agree with you davidpdx Jul 2014 #39

Okay. LWolf Jul 2014 #14

Nah. Just his daily wiff at Warren and/or Greenwald MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #22

Prepare Ye the Way of the Clinton! nt Union Scribe Jul 2014 #24

Yup, callin all Hillabots! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #35

That really doesn't make much sense. I'm clearing the way for Hillary? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #56

Doubtless, as you've done in the past, you'll MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #66

Aren't you the same person that voted for Reagan and said you'd overturn the election of Obama... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #68

That's what I thought, LWolf Aug 2014 #112

They could add phrases there demanding humane care of Trillo Jul 2014 #17

Both are smart and we're lucky to have them in the Senate. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #25

No, they just "kowtow" to another countries extremists. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2014 #26

what could be a greater sign of moderation than Senators who put a foreign country's interest Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #72

Pretty sure Israel can do more for us and Warren/Boxer than anyone in the Gaza Strip. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #74

Anyone who thinks this kind of blind support for Israel is helping America's influence in the world Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #75

With a bill like that, you'd think they were pounding the shit out of the US instead of Gaza Scootaloo Jul 2014 #28

That is why, after ann--- Jul 2014 #31

"I will write in Jimmy Carter for president only." EX500rider Jul 2014 #84

There are other issues Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #97

Politicians are sure to disappoint MaggieD Jul 2014 #33

We can always count on the Generals!! RandiFan1290 Jul 2014 #43

This is why folks should consider looking at systemic issues TBF Jul 2014 #44

They are on my call list today.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #51

Well, I'll have to withdraw my support of Warren. 99Forever Jul 2014 #52

That sounds unrelated for the most part treestar Jul 2014 #55

Give them nothing until the slaughter of innocent civilians stops. I am sickened that we are funding Pisces Jul 2014 #62

more appeal to authority fallacies TheSarcastinator Jul 2014 #63

It's actually the opposite. It's a criticism of those senators. stevenleser Jul 2014 #78

America does not need a Warren or a Clinton, it needs an Obama supported by people. First the Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #69

okay, NOW you have convinced me - I will no more support Warren than I would support Clinton Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #71

What the hell? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #82

well obviously you have been trying to put a dampener on the idea of a Warren candidacy Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #86

"obviously" I have been trying to put a dampener on a Warren candidacy? Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #87

why am I focused on 2016? Now that is an odd thing for you to say. Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #89

2014 comes before 2016 Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #90

Money Talks n2doc Jul 2014 #80

Ugh. Blood on their hands. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #83

Elizabeth Warren under the bus, too, MineralMan Jul 2014 #85

Warren is a lightweight on foriegn policy betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #92

Al Franken, Sherrod Brown, and Sheldon Whitehouse also co-sponsored. MirrorAshes Jul 2014 #98

Well, well....another Warren retweet by Glen Greenwald. How interesting. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #100

Yuck. bigwillq Jul 2014 #105