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Warren DeMontague

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67. Good post. I know what you mean. And it's heartbreaking for all people who want peace.

Thu Jul 31, 2014, 06:28 AM

Jul 2014

Whatever the larger circumstances, Israel's actions and response are out of proportion at this point and making things worse. Need to stop. They need to figure out a different approach to this.

It's a shame. It really looked, for a while in the 90s, like there was a real chance at some long-term resolution.

One can go back and forth with blame as to what happened to that process, but I believe a lot of the optimism among peace-seekers on both sides was replaced with cynicism and despair.

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Gaza. I agree it is a massacre and should stop immediately. [View all] Bonobo Jul 2014 OP

I don't get it Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #1

Yup, does it surprise you that some people have complex feelings, Roy? nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #2

Life is full of conflicting feelings. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3

I don't conflate Judaism with Israels' actions. n/t jaysunb Jul 2014 #4

Thank you. This is a good point. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #8

+1 Egnever Jul 2014 #61

yet when it comes to women you take a different stand JI7 Jul 2014 #5

WTF? No, I really don't. Bonobo Jul 2014 #6

HATE it when that happens, don't you? Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #7

Roy, I responded to what you put in your OP. It is very different. Bonobo Jul 2014 #9

That is very direct JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #54

Bonobo, I respect you. I understand the conflict. And I know you are a person of conscience. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #10

Thanks Sabrina. My conflict really isn't over "supporting" Israel. Bonobo Jul 2014 #12

Israel seems to get compared to the Nazis more than almost anyone else. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #14

I couldn't have said that better. Exactly. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #19

I am so sorry that this happened to you. I did not know that. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #15

Well said. No, Bibi does NOT represent Jews. He doesn't even represent most Israelis I think. Bonobo Jul 2014 #17

Jews need to make it clear that Netanyahu doesn't represent them? oberliner Jul 2014 #87

Who voted for him, Arabs? Who DOES he represent in your opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #88

When I see people taking a slaughter of other human beings and making it about themselves... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #22

Not a "tone" thing. Bonobo Jul 2014 #28

As I've explained, I've been a critic of using "genocide" as well Scootaloo Jul 2014 #32

Yes. Bonobo Jul 2014 #33

Thanks Scootaloo Jul 2014 #35

It's okay, I'm having a hard time as well. Bonobo Jul 2014 #36

Right there with you. DeadLetterOffice Jul 2014 #42

Your posts are better then home made caramel. Puglover Jul 2014 #86

Scootallo , I think I love you...your literary talent is a rare thing. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #81

FYI, Bonobo... ReRe Jul 2014 #30

Thanks, ReRe. Bonobo Jul 2014 #38

I forgot about the pennies. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #41

I don't even respond to the holocaust / genocide statements. joshcryer Jul 2014 #11

Beautiful, Josh. Bonobo Jul 2014 #13

Yeah joshcryer Jul 2014 #20

That is how I see it. War crimes, crimes against humanity. morningfog Jul 2014 #23

And I can NOT disagree with that. nt Bonobo Jul 2014 #25

Each incursion ann--- Jul 2014 #29

The rockets do not "defend them" from Israel. joshcryer Jul 2014 #39

Netanyahoo didn't ann--- Jul 2014 #64

The Palestinian Authority has no power over Hamas. joshcryer Jul 2014 #66

You're all over the place there. Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #34

This is true. joshcryer Jul 2014 #37

Damn Bonobo, I'm an atheist and I'm conflicted too. Throd Jul 2014 #16

Your sig line compares a group to Nazis. morningfog Jul 2014 #18

It's a quote by Hunter Thompson. Bonobo Jul 2014 #21

Got ya. I am not familiar with the quote. morningfog Jul 2014 #24

I don't believe Netanyahu's government is committing genocide, Bonobo, but Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #26

Israel is not fully culpable for the state of Gaza. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40

The Gaza Ghetto is severely aggravated by Israel's blockade. Any peoples trapped into a dense Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #44

I agree. joshcryer Jul 2014 #46

I believe they were about to, Hamas was actively working to stop rocket attacks; which had decreased Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #48

They started shooting first. joshcryer Jul 2014 #51

"IDF source: Hamas working to stop Gaza rockets" Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #55

I don't buy it. joshcryer Jul 2014 #57

Well apparently Brig.-Gen. Micky Edelstein, commander of the army�s Gaza Division did. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #59

Good post Uncle Joe malaise Jul 2014 #70

Thanks, malaise. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #71

The Holocaust comments are false, offensive and disrespectful. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #45

I never said Netanyahu's government has committed a Holocaust but any nation is capable of doing so, Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #47

No, you didn't, but implied it was coming. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #49

I implied it's possible and it is, the Germans and even Nazis don't have a monopoly on evil or Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #50

Strawmen aside (the Germans and even Nazis don't have a monopoly on evil )... Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #52

Do you believe the man in the pic is feeding off the collective guilt of the Holocaust? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #58

Yes. Because it is what is expected of "good Jews" when Israel does anything. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #60

I De-Facto acknowledged anti-semitism existed in my first post that you responded to. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #63

Some points Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #65

Some points for you, but who is the victim? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #68

+1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #53

Oh you! Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #56

I'm fine with that JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #73

Many of us live in a country that makes us feel that way everyday. I am not a Jew but your jwirr Jul 2014 #27

The ann--- Jul 2014 #31

I get it madokie Jul 2014 #43

Excellent post, Bonobo leftynyc Jul 2014 #62

Good post. I know what you mean. And it's heartbreaking for all people who want peace. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #67

I understand your feelings but do you know about that other malaise Jul 2014 #69

I know a lot about it. Bonobo Jul 2014 #72

There's a thread out there that directly compares Israel with Nazi Germany. BlueCheese Jul 2014 #74

Great question. Bonobo Jul 2014 #75

Because there is a seething antisemitism hiding just below the surface for many, many folks TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #78

Nazi comparions are uncool and not accurate steve2470 Jul 2014 #76

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2014 #77

Dead is dead. 'Quibbling' about whether or not it qualifies as another Holocaust is ridiculous. randome Jul 2014 #79

see this 840high Jul 2014 #80

I guess it would be less of a massacre Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #82

I find it interesting nobody is all worked up about the much more deadly Calista241 Jul 2014 #83

It's easier to argue where and when everyone agrees the other is wrong Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #84

I agree with all but one of your points. jimlup Jul 2014 #85