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In reply to the discussion: FBI Entrapment Created 'Illusion' of Terrorist Plots: Report [View all]MinM
(2,650 posts)66. Joseph & Stewart Alsop
Alsop is an interesting case that Bernstein brings up. In an otherwise excellent piece from NPR's On the Media that was posted previously, Alsop's brother Stewart is given a free pass for dubious reporting ..
BROOKE GLADSTONE: Journalism has been called the first draft of history, but what if that first draft is never corrected or if the mistakes persist, despite many subsequent drafts? President Bush harkened back to the peril we faced during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October of 1962 and how we were saved by the uncompromising resolve of an earlier leader, in order to justify our need to take preemptive action in Iraq. He was drawing on the first draft of history, the one that said John F. Kennedy went eyeball to eyeball with Nikita Khrushchev over Russian missiles in Cuba and that Khrushchev blinked and withdrew. [CLIP]:
[font color=darkred]JOHN F. KENNEDY:[/font] We will not prematurely or unnecessarily risk the course of worldwide nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth. But neither will we shrink from that risk at any time it must be faced. [END CLIP]
[font color=green]BOB GARFIELD:[/font] Major players in the Cuban Missile Crisis, including then presidential speech writer Ted Sorensen and former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, have tried in recent years to correct the record of those events, but the national myth seems pretty much unshakable. Fred Kaplan, Slate columnist and, incidentally, Brookes husband, has examined all the declassified material related to that crisis as its emerged over the years. We asked him to take us through the various drafts of the Cuba showdown.
[font color=blue]FRED KAPLAN:[/font] The basic scenario came from an article published shortly after the crisis by Stewart Alsop who was a very establishment columnist of the day who got the information from aides to Kennedy in the White House who were authorized by Kennedy to give him this account. Eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, crazy generals, on one hand, wanting us to bomb the missiles right away, lunatic doves like Stevenson, on the other, wanting to negotiate their way out of it from the beginning and, you know, smart guys like Kennedy and McNamara and Bundy navigating a, a cool and calm course through the thickets and ending us up safe to shore.
[font color=green]BOB GARFIELD:[/font] That's a heroic and reassuring recounting of the events, and it's certainly not the first nor the last time that a journalist has run with leaked information, but do you think Alsop had any way to know that the story he was writing did not, in fact, reflect the events as we now know them?
[font color=blue]FRED KAPLAN:[/font] No, I don't think he had any way of knowing that. This is what people told him and he certainly wasn't privy to any of the inside stuff going on. And, in fact, this was confirmed in the second draft of history, the memoirs written by two of what could be called the palace historians, Arthur Schlesinger and Ted Sorensen, Sorensen being Kennedy's speechwriter at the time who was present at all of the what they called the ex-con meetings, the meetings of the Executive Committee of the National Security Council which got together for the 13 Days and deliberated what to do. And this basically told the same story, though with more detail...
http://www.onthemedia.org/story/132896-missile-crisis-memories/transcript/
[font color=darkred]JOHN F. KENNEDY:[/font] We will not prematurely or unnecessarily risk the course of worldwide nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth. But neither will we shrink from that risk at any time it must be faced. [END CLIP]
[font color=green]BOB GARFIELD:[/font] Major players in the Cuban Missile Crisis, including then presidential speech writer Ted Sorensen and former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, have tried in recent years to correct the record of those events, but the national myth seems pretty much unshakable. Fred Kaplan, Slate columnist and, incidentally, Brookes husband, has examined all the declassified material related to that crisis as its emerged over the years. We asked him to take us through the various drafts of the Cuba showdown.
[font color=blue]FRED KAPLAN:[/font] The basic scenario came from an article published shortly after the crisis by Stewart Alsop who was a very establishment columnist of the day who got the information from aides to Kennedy in the White House who were authorized by Kennedy to give him this account. Eyeball to eyeball with the Russians, crazy generals, on one hand, wanting us to bomb the missiles right away, lunatic doves like Stevenson, on the other, wanting to negotiate their way out of it from the beginning and, you know, smart guys like Kennedy and McNamara and Bundy navigating a, a cool and calm course through the thickets and ending us up safe to shore.
[font color=green]BOB GARFIELD:[/font] That's a heroic and reassuring recounting of the events, and it's certainly not the first nor the last time that a journalist has run with leaked information, but do you think Alsop had any way to know that the story he was writing did not, in fact, reflect the events as we now know them?
[font color=blue]FRED KAPLAN:[/font] No, I don't think he had any way of knowing that. This is what people told him and he certainly wasn't privy to any of the inside stuff going on. And, in fact, this was confirmed in the second draft of history, the memoirs written by two of what could be called the palace historians, Arthur Schlesinger and Ted Sorensen, Sorensen being Kennedy's speechwriter at the time who was present at all of the what they called the ex-con meetings, the meetings of the Executive Committee of the National Security Council which got together for the 13 Days and deliberated what to do. And this basically told the same story, though with more detail...
http://www.onthemedia.org/story/132896-missile-crisis-memories/transcript/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021414805#post12
http://spartacus-educational.com/NDstewart_alsop.htm
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKalsop.htm
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Mix in Secret Government and Spherical Snooping and its MONEY for those in the know.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#10
How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook
Octafish
Jul 2014
#13
Ironic. While very conservative, the FBI Agent Donald Adams was quite a compelling person.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#62
I'm more worried about the Feds arresting cancer grannies for growing pot
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#43
Like DCI William Colby said re Sam Giancana: ''We had nothing to do with that.''
Octafish
Jul 2014
#35
How else can the establishment (TPTB) justify its humongous anti-terraist budget and its
indepat
Jul 2014
#17
You mean the creep who WILLINGLY pressed a button convinced he was going to blow up a crowd
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#42
Mohamud: "I want whoever is attending that event to leave, to leave either dead or injured"
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#45
And apparently a jury of 12 people didn't agree with Glenn Greenwald, who is one.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#51
I wouldn't. But this guy did considerably more than that. And I have to believe you grasp that fact.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2014
#53
Back in the 80s a major drug bust went haywire as it turned out ALL of the players were cops....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2014
#63
entrapment laws are a lot like vacation laws, maternity leave laws, sick pay laws
Adam051188
Aug 2014
#76