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JDPriestly

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68. Here is a list of Palestinian terrorist acts from 1989-2008.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jul 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

Be prepared. It's long.

There was a truce in 2008, but it was uneasy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire

Palesinians do not have frree access to the world. They continue to fire off rockets when they feel angry. The Israelis feel unsafe and angry. Both sides need peace but neither side trusts the other enough to stop fighting.

They have to negotiate a slow, incremental peace. They have to agree on tiny steps they will take and set up a commission with representatives from different factions in each country to monitor compliance.

For one thing, you have to get rid of the influence of the internal political rivalries both in Palestine and Israel with regard to the execution of border protection and the military actions on both sides in order to insure a peace.

The problem is that there is no trust, and neither side sees the other as human and deserving to live in peace. The incentive of revenge needs to be dismantled on both sides.

If you have ever raised children, you are familiar with the syndrome: "He hit me." "No, he hit me first."

Palestine refused to accept the existence of Israel and tried to get rid of Israel through military means. It lost repeatedly. Its allies got tired of the violence, and here we are.

If we could put the most angry citizens on both sides in separate corners, we might be able to get peace. But how to do that?

The problem need more than just condemning one or the other side. They both need to learn to live in peace with each other, regardless of who started this round of killing.

Who started it depends on how far back you go.

Palestine bears more of the burden of stopping the violence because it has less control over those who are violent. Israel can easily order its troops back because they are well organized and have discipline. Apparently, the Palestinian authorities, it appears to me, cannot control the violent or do not try to control the violence among their people as well as the Israelis can and do. It is a matter of civil and military organization. It seems that Palestine is not nearly as well organized in terms of government, does not have the civic traditions, as Israel is and has.

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Good read malaise Jul 2014 #1
Excellent read....... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #2
Hamas is certainly not innocent eridani Jul 2014 #17
Truth Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #49
I will say it again. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #55
That's assuming Israel WANTS a negotiated peace... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #64
Here is a list of Palestinian terrorist acts from 1989-2008. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #68
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #3
So.... delphi72 Jul 2014 #4
Don't expect an answer leftynyc Jul 2014 #9
The people Hamas kills are Israeli soldiers eridani Jul 2014 #19
Why are you pretending leftynyc Jul 2014 #24
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter....depending on who holds the power. PDJane Jul 2014 #27
Here's what your freedom leftynyc Jul 2014 #36
And Israel, during that time, has been killing and injuring Gaza's children. PDJane Jul 2014 #40
Since when did body counts leftynyc Jul 2014 #51
330 dead in nine years, or 37 people per year eridani Jul 2014 #46
Using the language of nazis leftynyc Jul 2014 #52
By the numbers, Nazis were worse eridani Jul 2014 #54
HOw much did it pain you leftynyc Jul 2014 #57
The size of the body counts is an excellent measure of evil, IMO n/t eridani Jul 2014 #59
That's pretty simpleminded thinking leftynyc Jul 2014 #61
I say no to your straw man. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #11
You mean to say that Tinker Toys are being fired into Israel eridani Jul 2014 #13
Are you willing to volunteer leftynyc Jul 2014 #25
Vastly preferable to being in a hospital in Gaza n/t eridani Jul 2014 #45
Israelis are volunteering for just that eridani Jul 2014 #48
Spare me leftynyc Jul 2014 #50
If they were all that deadly, Israelis would not be picnicing on the border. eridani Jul 2014 #53
Rockets raining from the sky leftynyc Jul 2014 #58
2000 rockets and one casualty? eridani Jul 2014 #60
Continually downplaying the danger leftynyc Jul 2014 #62
i didn't see that anywhere in the OP.. frylock Jul 2014 #20
It's best to ignore Israeli propaganda. Maedhros Jul 2014 #29
"I guess you are saying" - clear indication of invented bullshit in the next sentence Scootaloo Jul 2014 #37
Whenever the holocaust is memorialized SCVDem Jul 2014 #5
SCOTUS disagrees about the religion part anyway... Moostache Jul 2014 #6
Final solution to the Palestinians ? Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #7
I'm openly stating my desire to date Robert Redford n/t eridani Jul 2014 #14
Thx. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #16
it's Gaza being "wiped off the map" riverwalker Jul 2014 #28
History has shown that when the persecuted take control of the state, they become... Larkspur Jul 2014 #30
So are the views of this guy unusual? Or widely shared in Israel? stranger81 Jul 2014 #43
Not innuendo -- it's what officials in the Israeli government are openly calling for. stranger81 Jul 2014 #44
Posts like this have not only become perfectly acceptable now, they are applauded. LTX Jul 2014 #8
And it's why leftynyc Jul 2014 #10
^^^^^ this Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #15
Contending with the racism of the majority is always going to be a problem n/t eridani Jul 2014 #18
So now everyone who leftynyc Jul 2014 #26
There can be no serious dispute that much of the Israeli propaganda in this campaign stranger81 Jul 2014 #42
Ah yes, the "far left." Scootaloo Jul 2014 #38
It is posts like yours that make Israeli supporters look dense and ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #21
The moral rot in the progressive soul is the rot that allows so-called progressives stranger81 Jul 2014 #41
The only people who should be ashamed... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #65
Really.... delphi72 Jul 2014 #12
as opposed to how many years that Palestine has had to wipe Israel off the map? frylock Jul 2014 #22
Since 1947? delphi72 Jul 2014 #23
That's another part of the Myth of Israel...that plucky little nation against all those Arabs. PDJane Jul 2014 #33
What would you call it? atreides1 Jul 2014 #32
If Israel was the kind of country that wanted to exterminate the population of Gaza MrNJ Jul 2014 #31
Too bad atreides1 Jul 2014 #34
You should read about the split of authority in Palestine. NM_Birder Jul 2014 #39
Why Hamas Won Gaza - Bill Clinton countryjake Jul 2014 #47
By that standard... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #66
The world seems incapable of solving any problem without US involvement NM_Birder Jul 2014 #67
That has to do with international opinion, not Israel's abilities or proclivities. PDJane Jul 2014 #35
Tiresome. joshcryer Jul 2014 #56
That's not what the chart at the link says n/t eridani Jul 2014 #63
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