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In reply to the discussion: Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)68. Here is a list of Palestinian terrorist acts from 1989-2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Be prepared. It's long.
There was a truce in 2008, but it was uneasy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire
Palesinians do not have frree access to the world. They continue to fire off rockets when they feel angry. The Israelis feel unsafe and angry. Both sides need peace but neither side trusts the other enough to stop fighting.
They have to negotiate a slow, incremental peace. They have to agree on tiny steps they will take and set up a commission with representatives from different factions in each country to monitor compliance.
For one thing, you have to get rid of the influence of the internal political rivalries both in Palestine and Israel with regard to the execution of border protection and the military actions on both sides in order to insure a peace.
The problem is that there is no trust, and neither side sees the other as human and deserving to live in peace. The incentive of revenge needs to be dismantled on both sides.
If you have ever raised children, you are familiar with the syndrome: "He hit me." "No, he hit me first."
Palestine refused to accept the existence of Israel and tried to get rid of Israel through military means. It lost repeatedly. Its allies got tired of the violence, and here we are.
If we could put the most angry citizens on both sides in separate corners, we might be able to get peace. But how to do that?
The problem need more than just condemning one or the other side. They both need to learn to live in peace with each other, regardless of who started this round of killing.
Who started it depends on how far back you go.
Palestine bears more of the burden of stopping the violence because it has less control over those who are violent. Israel can easily order its troops back because they are well organized and have discipline. Apparently, the Palestinian authorities, it appears to me, cannot control the violent or do not try to control the violence among their people as well as the Israelis can and do. It is a matter of civil and military organization. It seems that Palestine is not nearly as well organized in terms of government, does not have the civic traditions, as Israel is and has.
Be prepared. It's long.
There was a truce in 2008, but it was uneasy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire
Palesinians do not have frree access to the world. They continue to fire off rockets when they feel angry. The Israelis feel unsafe and angry. Both sides need peace but neither side trusts the other enough to stop fighting.
They have to negotiate a slow, incremental peace. They have to agree on tiny steps they will take and set up a commission with representatives from different factions in each country to monitor compliance.
For one thing, you have to get rid of the influence of the internal political rivalries both in Palestine and Israel with regard to the execution of border protection and the military actions on both sides in order to insure a peace.
The problem is that there is no trust, and neither side sees the other as human and deserving to live in peace. The incentive of revenge needs to be dismantled on both sides.
If you have ever raised children, you are familiar with the syndrome: "He hit me." "No, he hit me first."
Palestine refused to accept the existence of Israel and tried to get rid of Israel through military means. It lost repeatedly. Its allies got tired of the violence, and here we are.
If we could put the most angry citizens on both sides in separate corners, we might be able to get peace. But how to do that?
The problem need more than just condemning one or the other side. They both need to learn to live in peace with each other, regardless of who started this round of killing.
Who started it depends on how far back you go.
Palestine bears more of the burden of stopping the violence because it has less control over those who are violent. Israel can easily order its troops back because they are well organized and have discipline. Apparently, the Palestinian authorities, it appears to me, cannot control the violent or do not try to control the violence among their people as well as the Israelis can and do. It is a matter of civil and military organization. It seems that Palestine is not nearly as well organized in terms of government, does not have the civic traditions, as Israel is and has.
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter....depending on who holds the power.
PDJane
Jul 2014
#27
"I guess you are saying" - clear indication of invented bullshit in the next sentence
Scootaloo
Jul 2014
#37
History has shown that when the persecuted take control of the state, they become...
Larkspur
Jul 2014
#30
Not innuendo -- it's what officials in the Israeli government are openly calling for.
stranger81
Jul 2014
#44
There can be no serious dispute that much of the Israeli propaganda in this campaign
stranger81
Jul 2014
#42
The moral rot in the progressive soul is the rot that allows so-called progressives
stranger81
Jul 2014
#41
as opposed to how many years that Palestine has had to wipe Israel off the map?
frylock
Jul 2014
#22
That's another part of the Myth of Israel...that plucky little nation against all those Arabs.
PDJane
Jul 2014
#33
If Israel was the kind of country that wanted to exterminate the population of Gaza
MrNJ
Jul 2014
#31