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TheKentuckian

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37. Do you believe we actually have an advantage in those gerrymandered districts though?
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jul 2014

The over vote in metros and some states around the country doesn't help. In other words is that raw numbers advantage widely distributed enough to carry the day?

To be honest, I'm doubtful that is the case. We are in many cases self gerrymandering by location. Yarmuth might win Louisville by 20 points but that doesn't carry over to the next district, the raw vote just doesn't mean so much in 535 local races.
Our ability to pick up seats is a district by district question, which means looking at those individual races and flipping them rather than raw turnout.

Also, some of the numbers are phantom for all intents and purposes. You can only put so much into party ID because states like my own Kentucky and Oklahoma have ID advantage in spades but here it does not translate at all into votes for Federal office because we are essentially a Democratic machine state and for local offices, if you wish to participate in the primary you have to be a Democrat but you can bet your ass that many of these folks will never vote for a Democrat for national office even if they also never vote for a Republican locally (ie we have only had TWO TERMS of a Republican in the governor's mansion since reconstruction but will overwhelmingly send idiots like Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, and Jim Bunning to Washington and will vote for almost any Republican for President).

I suspect Oklahoma is similar and we probably aren't the only ones in the country that are so functionally odd.

I think turnout is key but far less of a magic bullet than many make out.

What does it take to flip the House is better answered by how do we flip this race and this one and that one over there. GOTV is always going to be a part of the answer but in almost every case, only a part and when faced with the actual dynamic it seems like we get too deep into the weeds with way too many balls in the air for most folks to process. Folks like simple and easy and overcoming the current level of gerrymandering, sleazy election officials, and cheating computers isn't a one line or a single word solution.

Most of us can GOTV till the cows come home and it makes little effective difference, we are in blue districts and so what tends to happen is we are just running up the score in a game already won.

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the next census. unblock Jul 2014 #1
A Miracle...nt abakan Jul 2014 #2
Attempting to persuade people other than the choir jberryhill Jul 2014 #3
Absolutely agreed. Completely... Xyzse Jul 2014 #15
Agree one hundred percent. lovemydog Jul 2014 #43
Democrats to get off their asses and vote madokie Jul 2014 #4
They have nearly perfected the art of Gerrymandering. gordianot Jul 2014 #5
Yea be we have a pretty good lead on them if we'll get them to all vote madokie Jul 2014 #12
Do you believe we actually have an advantage in those gerrymandered districts though? TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #37
What we need is a few million martyrs to Cyrano Jul 2014 #40
Yep, in an organized fashion. Too willy nilly and safe districts become dicey and no impact is made TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #42
A Miracle BillZBubb Jul 2014 #6
The Rapture in October IADEMO2004 Jul 2014 #7
A strong GOTV effort by all of us. MineralMan Jul 2014 #8
This at least gives us a chance - if we stay home because it is impossible then it is our own fault. jwirr Jul 2014 #26
I've talked to 20 or so D candidates for Congress... brooklynite Jul 2014 #9
I agree, but that's Cyrano Jul 2014 #13
About 50% of the people to wake the hell up. sinkingfeeling Jul 2014 #10
+1 Johonny Jul 2014 #19
This is exactly what I'm talking about in the OP. Cyrano Jul 2014 #24
I read facebook posts Johonny Jul 2014 #31
I keep hoping that republicans out there with a working concience hollysmom Jul 2014 #11
Repubs in Congress to work with the President on something... Wounded Bear Jul 2014 #14
Start with a Democratic Party fifty state strategy. longship Jul 2014 #16
Keep drumming the message the GOP has always been FOR big business ... lpbk2713 Jul 2014 #17
Smarter D candidates jamzrockz Jul 2014 #18
I'm not so sure Cyrano Jul 2014 #21
A miracle. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #20
That gerrymandering seems to ensure that Cyrano Jul 2014 #22
Depends on state legislatures. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #27
They've got a lock for the next 8 years i figure 0rganism Jul 2014 #23
Democratic opponents would have to win by 7 points or more Samantha Jul 2014 #25
Democrats need to move Proud Public Servant Jul 2014 #28
Well let's see. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #29
Here's the thing Cyrano Jul 2014 #32
70% of the people blame Hamas for the Israeli situation. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #45
Register democrats and get out the vote The Second Stone Jul 2014 #30
Exactly! treestar Jul 2014 #34
Their attitude to immigrants treestar Jul 2014 #33
Don't forget a near catastrophic tanking of our economy. Initech Jul 2014 #35
A huge GOTV effort and turn out by all of us. m/t FSogol Jul 2014 #36
Somebody hacking into all the Diebold and other electronic voting machines n2doc Jul 2014 #38
It would take a massive effort by maxrandb Jul 2014 #39
One word. Gerrymandering Cyrano Jul 2014 #41
Personal responsibility on the part of each and every democrat lovemydog Jul 2014 #44
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