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merrily

(45,251 posts)
59. You just moved the goalpost.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:40 PM
Aug 2014

Your prior post said it was something they didn't want OR need. I refuted the need portion of your statement, I did not dispute the want portion.

Lenders aside, people can choose to do without health insurance only because no law says otherwise. No law says otherwise because, again, removing lenders from the equation, the only one who suffers financial loss when a home burns down is the person or persons who paid for the home.

When an uninsured person who cannot afford to pay for health care gets very ill, the uninsured person is not the only one who bears the financial loss. Rather, that financial loss is borne by everyone who does buy health insurance for themselves or pay for their own medical care out of their own pockets. Excessive use of emergency rooms also raises the costs of health care and hospitals pass that differential on to the rest of us as well. And people who go broke paying for an unexpected illness become eligible for Medicaid and other assistance; and every taxpayer pays for that. So, home insurance and health insurance are not comparable at all.

Another difference is that this law also requires health insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. Supposedly, what makes that fair is requiring all of us to have health insurance, even if we don't feel we need it yet.

Does getting health insurers to cover a kid with a malignant brain tumor or a woman with breast cancer or someone born without a healthy heart valve mean that some of us are forced to buy insurance when we don't think we need it? Yes. That is the kind of thing decent human beings do for other human being in a human society.

I pay for the military when I don't think we should have gone to war after WWII ended. I pay for traffic lights and traffic cops though I don't own a car. I pay for cops, though I've never committed a crime, don't intend to commit a crime, or had one committed against me. That's how being a member of a society works. We all pay for the benefit of us ALL.

I would have preferred by far medicare for all, wherein taxes paid by all of us would have covered all of us. However, that was supposedly impossible to pass. Given a choice between buying insurance and letting really sick people die without medical care, I'd buy health insurance.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] lostincalifornia Aug 2014 OP
The FACT that it is working is not known by most people. tridim Aug 2014 #1
Agree, but I don't agree it's 100% the fault of corporate media. merrily Aug 2014 #3
Is Medicare as popular as ever? If so, the solution seems obvious. merrily Aug 2014 #2
Democrats have never been good at getting good messages out. I'm not sure RKP5637 Aug 2014 #4
Who owns all the media including NPR? rurallib Aug 2014 #5
All good points! We live in such a propagandized country controlled by several RKP5637 Aug 2014 #8
Mmmmm. Please see Reply 3. merrily Aug 2014 #14
Which slogans and other messages from the Democrats are the media failing to convey? merrily Aug 2014 #9
This, is the one I have never really understood, and many democrats are extremely wealthy. Wealth RKP5637 Aug 2014 #12
Since my first post in 2002. sendero Aug 2014 #17
And maybe also partly because it was a 2000 page bill and Americans merrily Aug 2014 #23
I'm not sure .. sendero Aug 2014 #27
You said Democrats lacked passion, then you said, merrily Aug 2014 #38
People will follow the guy who makes the most noise pscot Aug 2014 #64
I don't know if I agree that people follow someone simply because of the most noise. merrily Aug 2014 #67
Yes, that is pretty much what I said in my Reply 3. We were probably merrily Aug 2014 #7
I think one thing I see is ... democrats IMO are more intellectual and hence some of their RKP5637 Aug 2014 #10
Republican messaging does require effort. They do testing, etc. merrily Aug 2014 #13
Oh, I mean on the part of the receivers, not the creation of the republican messaging. I think RKP5637 Aug 2014 #16
Whether I benefited from them or not, I had quite a few years in school. merrily Aug 2014 #20
Similar here ... and also I've take a number of courses in RKP5637 Aug 2014 #24
I had to give a presentation on a specific topic to people in my field. merrily Aug 2014 #32
Agree!!! Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Aug 2014 #39
I think they do what they think benefits them most. merrily Aug 2014 #53
Change the name for Obamacare to Affordable Health Care and the numbers will be different. trumad Aug 2014 #6
That is the name of the act. Democrats, who invented the name "romneycare" were careful merrily Aug 2014 #11
I thought that was a big mistake. "Affordable Health Care Act" KoKo Aug 2014 #25
He did not cave. He said he liked it. No one forced him to say that. merrily Aug 2014 #34
That is a good point treestar Aug 2014 #44
Very true jamzrockz Aug 2014 #57
Oh boohoo...got to be scared it could lead to...socialism!! Rex Aug 2014 #15
There is little danger that the feds will take ownership of hospitals, clinics and other merrily Aug 2014 #18
Yeah they have trigger words, their base has the collective intelligence of an average dog. Rex Aug 2014 #19
We can say that the success of their messaging techniques is due to merrily Aug 2014 #21
Well they do have great propaganda masters. Rex Aug 2014 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #26
Did my dog whistle attract some attention!? Rex Aug 2014 #29
I hate it when this happens: In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #33
I always miss the action here. Never saw the post. merrily Aug 2014 #36
I sure as hell hope not. nt clarice Aug 2014 #51
The article also says that People who use it (60%) Like It KoKo Aug 2014 #28
Good point. People didn't even like the "doughnut" hole in Medicare, but no one merrily Aug 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Aug 2014 #41
Like just about every law YarnAddict Aug 2014 #30
This did not happen, they are blaming Obamacare with no basis treestar Aug 2014 #43
Um, no YarnAddict Aug 2014 #45
Your first guy just doesn't believe in insurance treestar Aug 2014 #46
Where did you get that idea? YarnAddict Aug 2014 #47
People may not want insurance, but they have no clue whether they need it or not until they NEED it. merrily Aug 2014 #52
Uh, yeah . . . YarnAddict Aug 2014 #55
You just moved the goalpost. merrily Aug 2014 #59
We all pay for medical services we will never need or ever need again. And we all bear the cost merrily Aug 2014 #61
This poll is BULLSHIT because if you asked these igorant people polled bigdarryl Aug 2014 #31
Very true. How you phrase poll questions greatly affects outcomes. merrily Aug 2014 #37
People who chose to stay with the plan they had treestar Aug 2014 #42
Staying with the employer plan isn't much a choice as a functional requirement of the law TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #58
Wel your employer's plan could be good or bad before the ACA treestar Aug 2014 #65
Pretty far afield from your own point and my response. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #66
One of the problems of the Obama administration is its unwillingness WI_DEM Aug 2014 #48
Please tell me you don't actually believe this. Arkana Aug 2014 #50
It's amazing what misinformation does. Arkana Aug 2014 #49
Speaking of messaging, Obama on TV now, speaking on the economy, immigration, etc., merrily Aug 2014 #54
I started disapproving it as soon as I tried to sign up Reter Aug 2014 #56
So you're going without insurance, I take it? Quantess Aug 2014 #60
The fine will be a lot cheaper than $307 a month Reter Aug 2014 #62
This years fine will be paid jamzrockz Aug 2014 #63
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