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The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
86. It should have burned itself out by now
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 01:38 AM
Aug 2014

Which is why the on scene people are wondering. Studies in 2012 showed existing strains could be passed through the air attached to mucous droplets ... like a sneeze. But there is no real evidence this has happened in the field. Speculation has been fueled by the observation that the infected American medical staff were known for being diligent about their precautions. So how were they exposed? And the outbreak is not following the typical pattern ... but this strain has a more variable, longer incubation period and that alone may be sufficient to account for that. My point is, the matter of vectors is somewhat uncertain.

Looking for that article ... dammit I wish I had book marked that.

As for mocking ... hell, this thread is full of it. I shall refrain from my vantage point less than 12 miles from the Emory campus from expressing my appreciation for that.

And in this era, everything gets politicized whether it should be or not. Nathan Deal is going down unless he pulls something out of his ass. Believe me, this is a gift. He'll use it. The locals aren't happy, and that is pretty much a bipartisan consensus among my neighbors. Hell, I am not exactly thrilled myself.

Your position is ... what can go wrong? I am not a medical expert. I am an aerospace and software guy. Degree in physics and all. Biology involves icky goopy stuff ... it ain't my field at all. But I can do math. And I used to get paid to do risk analysis. Was pretty good at it, too.

And I am a BELIEVER. I BELIEVE in Murphy's Law. lol!

It is not that I don't have confidence in the Emory/CDC team. I know people who are likely on the very team in question. (I will NOT be bothering them with my questions about this.) These are very smart, skilled, highly trained people. The probabilities are very high that this virus will never come within a meter of escaping its containment. But breeches have happened before. Murphy will have his due from time to time.

And again ... it is all about the consequences. The risk is lower than perceived by the general public but the consequences are higher than you acknowledge. If this breaks out through Emory personnel, it is in Decatur, L5P or Virginia Highlands in 12 hours. If it gets there, it is on an airplane the next day. We used to have facilities out in the middle of the Utah desert for this kind of situation ... where an accident could be contained. There is little prospect for containing that here.

It's kinda like my beef with nuclear power. The odds of a containment failure at any given plant on any given day are low. But each day is a roll of the dice. Eventually, you lose. Now ... what are the consequences of that failure? How do you mitigate and constrain those? Thankfully, in this situation, we can expect a far shorter series of dice rolls.

So I very much hope you are right and my concerns are completely unfounded. Color me unconvinced.

Trav

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What if there was a sharknado? Tanuki Aug 2014 #1
Clever, but there have been several major plane crashes this year apples and oranges Aug 2014 #2
then the first responders would be quarantined as well. CreekDog Aug 2014 #55
OMG! That is one of the best responses I have ever seen on DU. cbayer Aug 2014 #9
Absurdity requires an absurd response. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #12
Absurdity? Plane crashes don't happen? apples and oranges Aug 2014 #17
People are answering the question. You're simply ignoring their answers. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #21
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #14
We should plan for that. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #15
DUzy! longship Aug 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Aug 2014 #31
Boom, thread win! 99Forever Aug 2014 #33
Don't be ridiculous. onehandle Aug 2014 #38
I know right. I find it bad Syfy has been making a mockery of a very real weather event. Mrdrboi Aug 2014 #48
ENOUGH SAID!!! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #52
lol, how about a Sharknado with Ebola infected flamingdem Aug 2014 #65
Perhaps the best first reply to an inane post I've ever seen Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #74
you nailed it Takket Aug 2014 #75
What if the border militias turn the plane back? Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #3
Flaming balls of jet fuel tend to kill viruses - along with the humans who carry them hatrack Aug 2014 #4
When Ebola patients die, their bodies are highly infectious, which contributes to the spread of the LisaL Aug 2014 #7
Which is incineration would be a good thing. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #16
An ordinary citizen would not know that incineration was required apples and oranges Aug 2014 #20
Yes there is a very small risk that "ordinary citizen" will scoop up body goop Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #43
Ok, who among us hasn't done that after having a little too much to drink? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #51
Consider the zombie apocalypse. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #59
We were lucky it didn't start sooner, when Breitbart had sex with that goat. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #61
Again with the goatf*ckers! Awesome. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #68
What if there was a fire in a hospital? brooklynite Aug 2014 #5
Not regular joes, no. Especially if they have no idea what's on board. apples and oranges Aug 2014 #8
And why would they have "no ide what's on board" brooklynite Aug 2014 #35
WTF, Either the plane inhabitants would die(likely) or they would survive (hopefully). Live and Learn Aug 2014 #6
I think the question was clear. Not all crashes result in a fiery apples and oranges Aug 2014 #10
In the worst case, all these "joes" Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #19
Several things. longship Aug 2014 #29
Ebolanado! FSogol Aug 2014 #30
Ebola-nado? Laffy Kat Aug 2014 #41
Here you go.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #53
Good post! Bragi Aug 2014 #57
You should copyright "ebolanado" TODAY Tanuki Aug 2014 #62
YES!!! This ^^^^ VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #76
That's a good characterization The Traveler Aug 2014 #77
Who was mocking? longship Aug 2014 #85
It should have burned itself out by now The Traveler Aug 2014 #86
A fiery crash would burn up the virus with the patient magical thyme Aug 2014 #11
When the plane was shot down in Ukraine, lots of bodies were found, looking almost intact. LisaL Aug 2014 #13
Exactly! apples and oranges Aug 2014 #18
That plane exploded in mid-air and the peices fell to the ground. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #22
Bodies fell to the ground intact. LisaL Aug 2014 #24
Because missile. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #27
Oh for crying out loud. LisaL Aug 2014 #28
why do you keep calling it a plane "crush"? TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #34
I'm laughing out loud. cwydro Aug 2014 #44
it's driving me nuts TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #50
Has it ever occurred to you that English is not everybody's native language? LisaL Aug 2014 #72
Well it should be 'cause we are too damn stupid to learn any other language. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #92
In 6th grade I thought I was in love with Michelle Ferris Orrex Aug 2014 #46
LOL! nt cwydro Aug 2014 #63
LOL. "Because missile." Orrex Aug 2014 #47
Mulder and Scully would see pictures of their medical files and come to investigate, LeftyMom Aug 2014 #25
You forgot the AARP commercials! longship Aug 2014 #32
I miss Fox Mulder and Dana Scully. I think I had a plain crush on him. Hekate Aug 2014 #64
I had a crash on scully. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #66
The CIA could say that Putin shot it down... Hubert Flottz Aug 2014 #26
Bush did it. 840high Aug 2014 #56
The first thing we need to do is find a way to panic Orrex Aug 2014 #36
Obama would be blamed. nt tridim Aug 2014 #37
i read a thread about this at another site. ellie Aug 2014 #39
That's why trained first responders use universal precautions. Laffy Kat Aug 2014 #40
But what about ordinary joes? They could be at the plane crush and then goop Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #67
You got me. I'm LOL'ing now. apples and oranges Aug 2014 #71
Ummm. . . . nt Laffy Kat Aug 2014 #73
I'll let the experts worry about it. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #42
People could worry about real stuff. 4now Aug 2014 #45
The "ordinary folks" could set off an epidemic, killing us all and rendering 2016 irrelevant. winter is coming Aug 2014 #49
what if they didn't fly here and the disease could never, ever possibly get here any other way??? CreekDog Aug 2014 #54
I like Chicken. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #58
Meh. Who cares about your poultry opinion? pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #93
Or what if a blue chunk of ice from the whistler162 Aug 2014 #60
lol magical thyme Aug 2014 #94
There's a protocol. Chan790 Aug 2014 #69
this Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #70
Worry about smallpox if you need something real to worry about. cheapdate Aug 2014 #78
What if it rained TVs? H2O Man Aug 2014 #79
Snort*** 2naSalit Aug 2014 #83
Remember when it was raining men? Tanuki Aug 2014 #87
There's an awful lot of intelligent people defacto7 Aug 2014 #80
Most planes that crash catch on fire Warpy Aug 2014 #81
Information here about Ebola, transport, and transmission. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #82
Potentially it could be... deathrind Aug 2014 #84
It won't be a problem if the pilots and navigator had the steak. kentauros Aug 2014 #88
What would happen if Ebola came to the United States? krawhitham Aug 2014 #89
In a fatal crash, people don't normally start handling the bodies muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #90
We are talking about a plain crush. Pay attention. And Ordinary Joes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #91
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