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In reply to the discussion: Thank you, President Obama, for 'MONTHS OF FIGHTING' to get the truth released to the public [View all]BainsBane
(57,775 posts)49. Then it is the fact he didn't express the issue in the manner you wanted him to
Much like people are angry when an MSNBC hosts doesn't say what they want them to? I find the concept alien. Again, my background is very different so I have never seen a President who would speak for me, so I have never expected one to do so. I can't imagine getting angry because I didn't like the way he discussed an issue. I would think policy would be more important, but I understand that many here are far more concerned with what politicians say than anything else. This is the transcript:
And my hope is, is that this report reminds us once again that the character of our country has to be measured in part not by what we do when things are easy, but what we do when things are hard. And when we engaged in some of these enhanced interrogation techniques, techniques that I believe and I think any fair-minded person would believe were torture, we crossed a line. And that needs to be -- that needs to be understood and accepted. And we have to, as a country, take responsibility for that so that, hopefully, we don't do it again in the future.
Seems a reasonable enough statement to me. However, if you only just figured out that this administration had decided to do nothing about prosecuting the Bush administration, you're catching on six years too late. I also become perplexed when outrage suddenly emerges over something most people--I thought anyone marginally interested--have known for a long time. Do I wish it were different? Absolutely. It will not be as long as we do not sign on to the International Criminal Court, however. There appears to be no prospect of that in our future. That, I hope you realize, requires congressional approval, as the Constitution requires for all treaties.
As for the larger issue of law regarding war crimes, I could well be wrong. If there are indictable crimes, I have no problem with prosecutions proceeding. However, that can't happen as long as we aren't signatories to the International Criminal court. However, since you have declared my view "propaganda," I expect you will provide evidence to show me that I am mistaken. It is highly uncivil to refer to someone with whom you disagree as engaging in propaganda. The civil thing to do is to say the person is mistaken and demonstrate why. However, I have noticed that you have a tendency to engage in name calling rather than provide actual evidence (for example, referring to me as a "centrist," in response to an analysis that was clearly Marxist in nature.) I can't help but thing that is because you lack the knowledge or initiative to find the necessary evidence, as your confused poll about "pardons" would suggest.
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Thank you, President Obama, for 'MONTHS OF FIGHTING' to get the truth released to the public [View all]
conservaphobe
Aug 2014
OP
Citing redactions, Feinstein delays release of report on CIA interrogations
PoliticAverse
Aug 2014
#1
he calls it "torture" but makes no attempt to strengthen the relevant criminal laws against torture,
Vattel
Aug 2014
#2
Many of us have benefited from the ACA, which is where a lot of political capital was spent
mountain grammy
Aug 2014
#44
A quick read of our Constitution would reveal that it the Congress who makes laws---
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#37
Just can't pass up the snark. We all know who makes the laws and we all know that
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#38
It is condescending to make posts blaming the President for not doing the job of Congress. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#54
Don't be dense. The President pushes legislation all the time. Ever heard of Obamacare?
Vattel
Aug 2014
#57
Just because something SHOULD happen doesn't mean it is a viable option. nt
conservaphobe
Aug 2014
#7
Some times just making the effort sends the message. We we need to appologize to our
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#55
Maybe because he apparently is dismissing our war crimes as " "We tortured some folks, we did some
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#40
Then it is the fact he didn't express the issue in the manner you wanted him to
BainsBane
Aug 2014
#49
I believe that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and a violation of US law and International Law.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#56