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In reply to the discussion: Pres. Obama is hoping that we're goddamn idiots out here, still cowed by talk of 9-11 [View all]xocet
(4,431 posts)102. "...hopefully we don't do it again...." is a feckless substitute for prosecuting Bush et al.
To me, it was important to watch the video of President Obama delivering those words at the end of his statement on Brennan and torture. He believes that it is up to "us" as a country to take responsibility for it - "...so that hopefully we don't do it again in the future."
I am no longer burdened by the belief that he defends any sort of consistent moral position - i.e., Rick Warren, the Too-Big-to-Fail-Bankers, Bush et al, Guantanamo Bay, single-payer health care, Troy Davis, Chelsea Manning, the continued and expanded use of drones, the kill list, Edward Snowden, allowing DNI Clapper to stay on, the current trend towards execution by experiment, etc. He does not have absolute power, but he is far from powerless with respect to any of these situations - especially with Congress as ineffective as it currently is.
Had I known that this were the way he would address the issue of war crimes, I also would never have supported his bid for the Democratic nomination.
At any rate, at least his views are on the record now.
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Pres. Obama is hoping that we're goddamn idiots out here, still cowed by talk of 9-11 [View all]
bigtree
Aug 2014
OP
Torture is illegal in the United States. No international body is required to execute our own laws.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#175
Are you arguing that if I torture someone that there are no laws to hold me accountable?
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#184
No, I asked you what the legal basis you think is for acting on government officials
BainsBane
Aug 2014
#185
Government officials don't have a separate legal system, that is supposed to be a feature.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#192
Just because something SHOULD happen doesn't mean it is a viable option. nt
conservaphobe
Aug 2014
#76
So people who call for something that should happen to really happen are 'no better than teabaggers'
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2014
#122
I guess you haven't made a visit to Truth Out, Commondreams, or FDL today. nt
conservaphobe
Aug 2014
#78
Oh Please. If you think that is any kind of intelligent argument you are delusional.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#55
Same as on the school ground. The same kids always sided with the bullies.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#171
Not sure who you are arguing with. Israel has a right to defend itself, I agree. Just as the USofA
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#219
Frustrating? It's not frustrating. It's fucking obscene if they get away with
neverforget
Aug 2014
#82
Yeah you got it right. I'm so pissed a Ronald Reagan right now I can't see straight.
Autumn
Aug 2014
#88
I didn't get a sense of this at all, from his speech... I will have to agree with you.
secondwind
Aug 2014
#107
Let's cut to the chase: If someone tortures another person, and that person is innocent of a crime,
grahamhgreen
Aug 2014
#158
in the speech he said torture was wrong several times, and that he banned the practice. i agree
dionysus
Aug 2014
#65
I think that's correct, AtomicKitten. An Executive Order from this President outlaws practices now
bigtree
Aug 2014
#74
We know who - GWB, Cheney. It's not just "wrong" it's illegal, a war crime.
grahamhgreen
Aug 2014
#159
i know graham, but if you tried prosecuting bush and cheney for treason and war crimes, you'd have
dionysus
Aug 2014
#164
You are wrong. We are better than that. Besides, it's our duty and obligation, not prosecuting makes
grahamhgreen
Aug 2014
#165
I didn't realize the legal system had been replaced by guesstimates of hypothetical polls
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#177
Planned well in advance of 9/11. Lots of Shock Doctrine in that little speech of his.
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#6
So not going to fix the problem? No offense sir, but the CIA just admitted to spying on Congress.
Rex
Aug 2014
#10
Oh, I get it. It was like road rage. She was driving too slow so I brained her with a hammer.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2014
#25
Perhaps backing away from the Geneva Convention to take out terrorists here in the US after
DhhD
Aug 2014
#125
Two Democratic senators demanded that Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan resign...
PoliticAverse
Aug 2014
#49
Nice try but Brennan is part of the ruling branch of government (NSA/CIA) that out ranks
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#58
I think that the CIA has become so powerful, it's like it's own, rogue branch of government,
dionysus
Aug 2014
#153
I understand, yet believe firmly that the country would be in far better shape now
grahamhgreen
Aug 2014
#208
No, the polling data clearly shows the public far to the left of DU, and the corporate war machine.
grahamhgreen
Aug 2014
#212
in a sane country graham, i'd agree with you. that's the only thing i think we disagree on. i don't
dionysus
Aug 2014
#211
jesus, he said several times in the clip that it was wrong and against our values and he banned such
dionysus
Aug 2014
#66
Why wouldn't they? We can strangle their funding. We can fire the head of the CIA. nt
Mojorabbit
Aug 2014
#155
I think Brennan is a figurehead, go ahead and fire him. i bet we don't even know the names of the
dionysus
Aug 2014
#156
If they do not comply with a legal order then you frogmarch them to jail.
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#181
So who do they work for? If they received an order to fork over the names from someone?
bobduca
Aug 2014
#197
i don't think the CIA works for anyone anymore, i consider them a rogue branch of government. I
dionysus
Aug 2014
#207
So when Saddam tortured people, was he too very patriotic and just under pressure?
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#59
"...hopefully we don't do it again...." is a feckless substitute for prosecuting Bush et al.
xocet
Aug 2014
#102
Sigh...that law expired 15 years ago. The last Special Counsel we had was Patrick Fitzgerald.
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#105
I did not get a sense of this at all, from his speech.... I think it was a very good one.
secondwind
Aug 2014
#106
Mr. President, real patriots do not torture. I think you are confused. Or something.
Enthusiast
Aug 2014
#111
No, that wasn't his point. His point was that the country is in a very different position today
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#112
"Folks" is the signal that the President is merely passing along a talking point
Babel_17
Aug 2014
#115
I am of the opinion that Obama's decision not to at least appoint a commission was a major err.
olegramps
Aug 2014
#123
Truth is evasive and Obama owns the discharge of war criminals as well as the banksters.
L0oniX
Aug 2014
#137
Everyone is arguing about torture and nothing else, which was probably intended.
QuestForSense
Aug 2014
#143
Yep. Most of the Senate is silent, and Chambliss even defended Brennan.
TwilightGardener
Aug 2014
#152
And the infiltration continues. Lining up early for the 2016 election. Getting up your post counts
Pisces
Aug 2014
#154