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121. "My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:54 AM

Aug 2014

ttanti-semitic or pro-Hamas or anti-Israel. It makes me human." David Harris Gershon. That's the way I also feel.

I have never unquestioningly supported any government or political entity. I don't waste time arguing with folks who compare the current regime in Israel with Nazis. I also think that people who make that assertion make it very easy for me to identify someone I won't waste time with.

I do not support the current regime in Israel. I enough close friends and a few relatives in Israel so that I believe I know the difference between their government and the people of Israel. I have and will never supported any right wing regimes.

I've always looked foreword to you posts, even the rabidly pro-Israel ones. Although I don't necessarily agree with that view point those posts made me think and sometimes changed my point of view.

Have a good healthy sulk PCIntern, as me old Irish mother would say. Hope to see your posts again someday.

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I am going to take my leave from DU for a time: [View all] PCIntern Aug 2014 OP

Take a break and don't forget us. Be well, and know that your opinion will be missed. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #1

Indeed! Please don't be gone too long. calimary Aug 2014 #171

I hope you reconsider, but I do understand. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #2

Nobody has that opinion treestar Aug 2014 #3

Several posts contradict your claim. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #5

Excuse me...it's not the just the posters...it's the jurors Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #68

FWIW, it's possible to alert on jury results. MADem Aug 2014 #228

"not much different from the Nazis. Just missing ovens. " oberliner Aug 2014 #232

You seem surprised ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #234

It is not a mischaracterization. I haven't been posting boston bean Aug 2014 #9

I agree boston JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #50

I read it as people hating someone for thinking Hamas must be destroyed treestar Aug 2014 #97

I know who you're referring to and, IMO, that poster should've been banned. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #133

That's not true. The worst of the posts get alerted on and removed. pnwmom Aug 2014 #21

Even some bans due to anti-semitism. Agschmid Aug 2014 #107

You're wrong. nt pecwae Aug 2014 #24

Thanks for the satire! WinkyDink Aug 2014 #37

I *deplore* the killing of civilians in Gaza. And I'm not especially "pro-Israel" in general. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #49

I've been staying out of it, but I agree with you on all points. I am not supportive of this action Squinch Aug 2014 #55

You've got folks who seem to think Arabs are semi-human savages, and folks who seem to think of Jews nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #59

It's why I stay out. There is a lot of irrationality on both sides. Squinch Aug 2014 #63

Well said...! Surya Gayatri Aug 2014 #74

Without doubt etherealtruth Aug 2014 #158

+100! freshwest Aug 2014 #161

^^^This. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #72

horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #116

You are wrong. 840high Aug 2014 #126

As someone who serves on MIRT. William769 Aug 2014 #147

There have been a half dozen Warshaw ghetto posts. joshcryer Aug 2014 #173

Sorry treestar, PCI is actually right, as awful as it is to see it here. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #212

I'm with you about the Nazi comparisons steve2470 Aug 2014 #4

Peace. onehandle Aug 2014 #6

Being for peace and against 'destroying' other humans is not anti-semitism amuse bouche Aug 2014 #7

Is this anti-Semitism? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #10

Considering some 2/3's of the Jews in Europe were wiped out, "tried" is an odd choice of words. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #52

Thanknfully, that post was hidden Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #100

Me too. It's really no different from posting racial slurs or similar hate speech. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #179

That poster has been PPRed, now. countryjake Aug 2014 #221

Very glad to see that. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #222

Obviously it is to some. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #11

And obviously, some don't know it when they see it. n/t Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #12

Or deny it even though in their hearts, they know it's anti-Semitic. IronGate Aug 2014 #135

Blaming "the Jews" as an entire people for Israeli gov't policy isn't anti-Semitic? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #54

Tell that to Al Fatah, Hezbollah, Hamas---and their dead victims on planes, in schools, in discos, WinkyDink Aug 2014 #39

Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Just saying. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #180

I, too, find the endless, reflexive Nazi comparisons, allusions and analogies ....reprehensible. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #8

Yeah . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #13

It's too bad they aren't Russians. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #14

That isn't true . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #15

cmon fight fight i need a fight i came into this thread promised i could get a fight Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #17

Fighting just for the sake of fighting? another_liberal Aug 2014 #20

Cmon, if you want to throw personal insults at me, I'm sure you can do better than that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #23

Pardon me . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #28

Forget it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #31

My last sentence? another_liberal Aug 2014 #43

It's a mess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #47

The Israeli Prime Minister is just buying a few more years . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #56

I don't think it's a good plan either. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #62

Depressing as hell all around. I completely agree with you. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #57

my cat's breath smells like cat food. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #18

My cat . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #26

Sure, because I don't have one. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #27

My cat . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #30

Heh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #33

Yes. Just like this one. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #223

on the other hand barbtries Aug 2014 #16

The fact that the dude can't even post a thread signing off for a while Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #19

The dude recently accused both me and Cali of being Hamas supporters... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #32

Sorry. ..that's OTT. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #36

Yeah, it wasn't cool at all... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #46

It doesn't help, that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #51

Damn optomist! Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #65

the players and power brokers are getting very rich from more of the same. barbtries Aug 2014 #143

It's a pretty common tack, sadly Scootaloo Aug 2014 #157

Aw someone didn't like your post. Puglover Aug 2014 #174

here is the alert on you Scoots Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author defacto7 Aug 2014 #215

I dont think any group on DU has a monopoly on hyperbolic bs. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #184

i agree as well. barbtries Aug 2014 #38

I knew some people in the Israeli left in the 90s. They were pretty optimistic about a deal, Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #44

Debate isn't possible when the subject matter is completely irrational. tridim Aug 2014 #104

+1 freshwest Aug 2014 #162

The poster gave specific examples of what he felt was at issue. boston bean Aug 2014 #29

yes i do. barbtries Aug 2014 #34

Here is a specific example I think is an issue LittleBlue Aug 2014 #144

Show me where you deplore the rocket-launching of Hamas. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #40

i deplore the rocket launching of Hamas barbtries Aug 2014 #45

Honestly? First, they should stop firing the rockets. Hear me out. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #60

thank you for your reasonable response. barbtries Aug 2014 #69

I usually stay out of it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #185

my mother-in-law was a victim. barbtries Aug 2014 #189

stop being terrorists TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #109

I'm curious. What does that say about the Palestinian people? n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #122

ok god almighty. barbtries Aug 2014 #138

^ this ^ defacto7 Aug 2014 #217

Excellent post n/t malaise Aug 2014 #141

thank you malaise. barbtries Aug 2014 #142

I understand. I've been on the verge of a similar decision. onenote Aug 2014 #22

I value your opinions, PCIntern. brer cat Aug 2014 #25

I applaud you, PCIntern. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #35

All the best to you, PCIntern. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #41

Oh,PC, sorry to hear it. But it sounds like you put it into perspective. CTyankee Aug 2014 #42

Bye RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #48

I'm not shouting Hurrah JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #53

You missed one... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #58

It may not be bigotry JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #61

Yeah, you only missed one because all the Straights agree that homophobia is very acceptable Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #93

Huh? I wasn't the one making the list. Go complain to the person who did n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #94

wow - glad i missed that thread. barbtries Aug 2014 #146

wow do you ever get the meaning of the term pinkwashing wrong. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #177

Is that the hate toward "gun-humpers," or the act... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #139

For that reason, many have and are taking breaks. Or using Ignore, which some people despise others freshwest Aug 2014 #167

It's been horrific to watch and sickening. sufrommich Aug 2014 #64

I could not agree more calilama Aug 2014 #84

I understand. Not only has blatant anti-Semitism become acceptable, but so has blatant incivlity. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #66

Israel has done, and is doing, something so reprehensible it shocks the world. randome Aug 2014 #67

I'm horrified, to be sure. phylny Aug 2014 #73

As was our decimation of Iraq. randome Aug 2014 #80

Very wrong, yes. Shocking? Hardly. In any year you have several governments killing this many people stevenleser Aug 2014 #119

I don't blame you hack89 Aug 2014 #70

Well, during your time off, maybe you can take a little time for introspection Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #71

Open Air Prison? Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #79

'Monitors'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #82

Israel controls Gaza's airspace. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #85

I remember when Yasser Arafat International was opened (named). Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #155

Hope you fast for your health instead. They're so many toxic news stories it makes the heart sick! freshwest Aug 2014 #169

Bombed in 2001, not rebuilt. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #193

Thanks for that information, makes one think. Most of have never heard a word of that... freshwest Aug 2014 #168

Despite our past run-in I appreciate your words and regret your leaving as much as I understand it. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #75

Shalom for now. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #76

can we get some links? JaneyVee Aug 2014 #77

Anyone who disagrees with you is an anti-Semite.... marble falls Aug 2014 #78

Don't understand the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism 4dsc Aug 2014 #81

it was a better place w mods. mopinko Aug 2014 #83

we get leave at DU? Enrique Aug 2014 #86

You didn't know about the 'use it or lose it' policy? randome Aug 2014 #88

I'm not a prolific poster madokie Aug 2014 #87

Sorry ... wishing you peace and a quick return to DU etherealtruth Aug 2014 #89

Peace... That's all most of us want. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #90

Israel is not "The Jews"... reACTIONary Aug 2014 #91

Israel says they are 'The Jews'. Therein lies some of the confusion, I think. randome Aug 2014 #99

That may be... reACTIONary Aug 2014 #182

What ridiculous nonsense. mr blur Aug 2014 #92

Most DUers are disgusted by Israel-Nazi comparisons oberliner Aug 2014 #95

I'm sorry that you've found yourself in this situation. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #96

Your voice will be missed. DU will become much smaller. Octafish Aug 2014 #98

I understand completely and agree Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #101

Hurrah. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #102

Your point woud be stronger if you hadn't chosen to include a racist narrative in your OP. redgreenandblue Aug 2014 #103

But Israel SAYS it is so... randome Aug 2014 #114

Concur. madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #105

It's a shame DU has become such a hostile and anti-Democratic environment. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #106

Ditto Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #113

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #115

ever since the creation of the Jury System of roulette based posting ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #118

I can see the community moderation being abandoned or.... steve2470 Aug 2014 #123

What a load of crap. For some it seems complaining about anything Obama does is anti-democratic. n-t Logical Aug 2014 #163

Would you like to buy a clue? Fozzledick Aug 2014 #191

LOL, here is my clue........ Logical Aug 2014 #192

The part that referred to suppression of dissenting views and Democratic values in general Fozzledick Aug 2014 #194

Yeah, it's pretty weird that there are DUers who actually defend the Likud war crimes. DanTex Aug 2014 #190

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #199

+1 King_David Aug 2014 #230

Be well PCIntern. I completely understand. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #108

Equating Likud with the Nazis is just wrong, the apropos comparison is with TransitJohn Aug 2014 #110

I am with you PC. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #111

I have yet to post in an Israel/Palestine thread. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #112

The Israel-->Nazi posts should result in a hide everytime and a PPR for repeated posts/OPs. stevenleser Aug 2014 #117

Steve! That last sentence! Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #120

It's just a dangling participle NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #154

Yes, In was inartfully done in haste. I have edited the post. stevenleser Aug 2014 #156

agreed about the hides nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #124

So you disagree with the Jury system? nt Logical Aug 2014 #164

Agreed. nt BainsBane Aug 2014 #210

"My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me mulsh Aug 2014 #121

I can't say that I blame you, blatant anti-Semitism is rampant here MohRokTah Aug 2014 #125

...^ that 840high Aug 2014 #129

Let's see some evidence please. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #131

I was on a jury for an obvious anti-semitic troll tridim Aug 2014 #150

Probably. But only by those who want to paint it as such to shut off the debate. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #200

Your comment led to an interesting poll Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #233

I must be an anti-Semite too then because while I think Hamas is guilty of murder randys1 Aug 2014 #236

Not anti-semitism. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #237

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #127

PCIntern, I hardly knew ya.... understand your dismay, hope you will return soon, DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #128

"Before removing the mote from thy neighbour's eye, tend to the beam in thine own." Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #130

Ouch. randome Aug 2014 #132

Not unexpectedly... there is more to the story... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #137

I will miss. Fully understand. 840high Aug 2014 #134

Bye, but fortunately you are in a minority around here cpwm17 Aug 2014 #136

+infinity CrawlingChaos Aug 2014 #195

Thank you, that's one of the best compliments I've received here on DU cpwm17 Aug 2014 #196

I've seen the opposite. Here is a jury I served on where the poster advocates ethnic cleansing LittleBlue Aug 2014 #140

Please don't stay gone long. William769 Aug 2014 #145

You will be missed. Stay well COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #148

The world isn't believing Israel's lies anymore. 4now Aug 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #151

RW techniques? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #152

Killing Palestinians is not an intrinsic part - or ANY part - of Jewishness Scootaloo Aug 2014 #153

Got it. You can't call people anti-semites, so you're taking your ball and going home. Bye. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #159

Very sensitive. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #165

This was alerted on and lost 1-6. nt Logical Aug 2014 #172

Results of the alert (thanks to a little birdie, otherwise I wouldn't even have known): Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #178

That sounds about right amuse bouche Aug 2014 #181

Thank you Garthem Aug 2014 #160

I was just having this conversation the other day - the ugliness and anti-semitic comments I hear jillan Aug 2014 #166

No one is blind to Hamas, however, it is hard to ignore dead or dying children on tv. It is hard to Pisces Aug 2014 #170

I just came back after an absence of a year-plus hifiguy Aug 2014 #176

Well, there does seem to be some house-cleaning octoberlib Aug 2014 #183

Wow! He was a member since 2004. Kaleva Aug 2014 #186

Good. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #187

I saw that second post and was amazed. I'd read some of his posts and thought he was smart. freshwest Aug 2014 #188

I agree. It was vile. octoberlib Aug 2014 #201

I don't blame you... SidDithers Aug 2014 #197

Using Nazis in referring to Israel is just the epitome of OTT steve2470 Aug 2014 #198

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza whereisjustice Aug 2014 #202

You're not alone. n/t Skip Intro Aug 2014 #203

Lame PC. Especially from you. nt 7wo7rees Aug 2014 #204

Drama much? Your hyperbole is laughable and disrespectful. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #205

Both things are true BainsBane Aug 2014 #208

No, both things are exaggerations seen through the eyes of a true believer. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #211

YES! Too many people can't walk & chew gum at the same time. alp227 Aug 2014 #225

I too have been disturbed by the antisemitism BainsBane Aug 2014 #206

You do what you gotta do. Rex Aug 2014 #207

I will miss you PCIntern. It's gone toxic here, and not just on Israel. Hekate Aug 2014 #209

"Hamas must be rooted out and destroyed" Hissyspit Aug 2014 #213

well, bye. mwrguy Aug 2014 #214

Take a break, I do from time to time, we all need it. mackerel Aug 2014 #216

Something For Your Consideration... During Your Break... WillyT Aug 2014 #218

"Like pornography, I know it when I see it." But it is still protected free speech because McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #219

These were the good old days.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #220

Okay. LWolf Aug 2014 #224

i agree entirely. we need more posts like this, not fewer. unblock Aug 2014 #226

I haven't been following your commentaries on that particular topic. MADem Aug 2014 #227

Don't blame you Come back soon please. nt King_David Aug 2014 #229

Please come back when you feel you can. murielm99 Aug 2014 #231

I always read your posts Jane Austin Aug 2014 #235