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113. If you are a Jew with a mind set in the best tradition of Judaism

Reply to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:40 PM

Aug 2014

a liberal thinker, an enlightened soul, an intellectual and scholar, an individual concerned with profound issues of morality, justice, and law then I would say I'm pro-semitic. I look up to you with admiration and love you as a brother and sister. Before I retired as an attorney, I worked in a law office with such an individual at its head. During the first Gulf War against Iraq I said something negative about Arabs and he immediately set me straight. He was one of the best people I've ever known.

If you are a gun-toting religious fundamentalist nut like some of the settlers in Israel who has no qualms about displacing people from from their land and shooting them if they get in the way and only caring about achieving a greater Israel at any cost then I guess I'm anti-semitic, the way I'm anti-Islamic if you are a fundamentalist Moslem cut-throat murdering nut for your religion.

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Is blatant anti-Semitism rampant here at DU? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP

jury results. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1

To be crystal clear: this poll is not about a jury result Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #5

Would you like me to self delete it? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #22

No. You are a MIRT team member (and a damn fine one I might add) Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #26

Thank you for the kind words. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #28

There are a couple of clear instances, but rampant? No. nt DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #2

Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #12

Is blatant anti-humanity is (sic) here at DU? Not a poll, a fact. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3

Copying & pasting & wearing my driving (as opposed to my reading) glasses is a formula for disaster Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8

Rampant no but we have bigots and some new trolls have signed up and we are mirt are nuking them hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4

Y'all do a hell of a job. IronGate Aug 2014 #6

Thank you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7

+ 1 nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #10

+1 LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #11

And some are zombies of PPR'd posters... SidDithers Aug 2014 #38

I will look and kick the thread. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

Yup. I saw your self-delete down below, and I'm more convinced than ever that you're right... SidDithers Aug 2014 #58

I started a new thread so you don't have to have a yellow tab all the time. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #59

The dates certainly line up well... SidDithers Aug 2014 #64

likely a break to see if we forgot. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72

I'm assuming that you've let MIRT know this? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #42

No, you're not the zombie of inch4progress...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #43

Fair enough Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #48

Why did you change names?... SidDithers Aug 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2014 #50

I was just thinking about that in another thread. Rex Aug 2014 #145

The troll control at DU has always been exceptionally good. hifiguy Aug 2014 #71

Thank you. We have a great team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73

I'm glad you are back as part of MIRT again. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #87

Thanks, it is a great new team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #88

You'll be off next term, right? In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #89

Yeah I am on my fourth term but the last of this year. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #91

I thought I was going to be too busy working this term. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #93

I am sorry to hear this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #96

Thanks In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #99

You are an asset to DU! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102

You're an angel. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #106

Nonsense! You do just great here! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #108

It certainly isn't 'rampant'; on the other hand, it's not non-existent. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #9

How do you find out who is getting banned? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #15

Partly because I'm on MIRT (that's how I know about the trolls); but otherwise you would have to LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #25

Yeah, that's how I'm seeing it too n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #16

It is a "push poll".....only propaganda value. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #18

Why do you say that? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #24

"Rampant" is a loaded word, the yes or no responses are black and white acceptance or rejection of Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #36

The poll is based on a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #37

I understand, but repeating a mistake is just repeating a mistake....just my take.....peace. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #41

Not a problem. I readily concede it's not good political science. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #44

For the most part, no n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #13

No. What is rampant here is that DUers have always gotten outraged over injustice Autumn Aug 2014 #14

Humanity is rampant at DU. Humanity and anti-semitism are easily conflated it appears. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #21

I haven't seen any anti-semitism. I imagine MIRT is all over that. Autumn Aug 2014 #33

^THIS Marrah_G Aug 2014 #49

Not blatant and not rampant, but frequent and common. MineralMan Aug 2014 #17

I Would Agree, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #29

When Hitler and Nazi Germany are brought in and compared MineralMan Aug 2014 #32

That Is Certainly One Of The Tells, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #35

What if you see it from a juror ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #47

Btw...I am a Zionist. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #52

I'd forward such a result to MIRT Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #53

Alert On The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #54

Since I don't know how, would you mind bringing it to admins? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #55

If You Received The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #67

I didn't receive ...it was posted. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #74

What is your basis for calling that poster an anti-semite? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #97

I Consider That Comment Evidence Of Anti-Semitism, Comrade The Magistrate Aug 2014 #103

We disagree. It may be an inapt comparison, and cruel, but is not evidence of anti-semitism. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #109

If We Disagree, Comrade, One Of Us Is Right, And One Is Wrong.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #111

I would hate for you to be wrong. So I'll just leave it at we disagree. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #121

There was also a time here when just about any poster advocating for the stranger81 Aug 2014 #161

That Statement, Sir, Is Flat False To Fact The Magistrate Aug 2014 #166

It's Ma'am, and we will have to agree to differ on this one. stranger81 Aug 2014 #168

Not Possible, In This Instance, Ma'am, To Agree To Disagree The Magistrate Aug 2014 #173

I know that you refuse to brook disagreement, on this and just about any other point. stranger81 Aug 2014 #175

I Know What I Did, Ma'am, in Company With Mr. Jack Rabbit The Magistrate Aug 2014 #184

I wouldn't expect the people who did the banning to think anything other than stranger81 Aug 2014 #185

Suit Yourself, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #189

Tombstone means being kicked out of DU. Being barred from participating in the I/P forum isn't MADem Aug 2014 #218

as an unabashed pro-Palestinian poster (admittedly I don't post on the subject that much anymore - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #194

Wow. Just wow. stranger81 Aug 2014 #207

intentional self-delusion -- I'm amazed that people are willing to do that Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #208

And right back at you. [n/t] stranger81 Aug 2014 #209

No gay purge? You should let Skinner know. He certainly thought there was. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #212

At least in my tenure here -- going on 11 years -- this was the most divisive event I can recall. stranger81 Aug 2014 #214

For some, if they don't see it, it doesn't exist. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #215

I miss yardwork's voice around here. stranger81 Aug 2014 #216

She pops in from time to time, but not like she did before. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #217

She posted just the other day. MADem Aug 2014 #220

tell me with a staight face that DU banned people or purged people for being gay.. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #222

No one said they were banned for BEING gay. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #223

Your own prejudices blind you, perhaps? No one said 'for being gay' and you know that. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #245

First of all I am gay - and I have been openly gay at times and places where few people here would Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #250

I agree agbdf Aug 2014 #204

You are partly right. Vattel Aug 2014 #120

I don't find such comparisons very useful. They just stir up spluttering outrage... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #122

I agree Vattel Aug 2014 #157

After two 0-7 results BainsBane Aug 2014 #126

I just alerted on one and it was hidden... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #131

I seriously considered BainsBane Aug 2014 #139

Not rampant, but there are a few. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #19

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #20

I voted no because I don't think it's "rampant" but I have seen a few posts that... Spazito Aug 2014 #23

I think that one of the things that people forget about DU is that many of us are first and foremost jwirr Aug 2014 #27

I'd only add that opposition to the Iraq war was the backbone of the community pre-Obama Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #30

Exactly. jwirr Aug 2014 #34

Si Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #31

No. One can oppose LWolf Aug 2014 #39

Definitely. egduj Aug 2014 #45

Blatant? Not so much. Dog whistle, seething just below the surface sometimes popping out with a TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #46

Not at all, that's not even a proper nose. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #51

This question arises when GD's rules temporarily change leftstreet Aug 2014 #57

Yes...according to rightwingers Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #60

The charges of anti-Semitism outweigh the occurance by about 1000 to 1 BillZBubb Aug 2014 #61

Exactly! n/t NastyRiffraff Aug 2014 #152

Concern and caring for human life, despair over the loss of children is now considered anti-semitism Pisces Aug 2014 #62

The refuge of Extreme Super Zionists are in the charges of anti-Semitism too-which is a lie. No. bobthedrummer Aug 2014 #63

if opposing collective punishment, ghetto-izing, land theft, ethnic cleansing, assorted war crimes KG Aug 2014 #65

There's a lot of criticism... kentuck Aug 2014 #66

Present but definitely not rampant intaglio Aug 2014 #68

there are many peoples that are Semites. the phrase needs a more narrow definition. for example msongs Aug 2014 #69

Anti-semitism is a specific term with a specific meaning, Codeine Aug 2014 #79

Baloney. I was taught back in my Catholic grammar school that truedelphi Aug 2014 #105

Nothing to Do With The Term 'Anti-Semitism', Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #114

You are in error. Semites are tribal peoples of the ME, yes, but the term anti-semite refers MADem Aug 2014 #221

Wikipedia is a very bad site to display as a definitive answer to anything. truedelphi Aug 2014 #225

Two things--I invite your attention to the LINKS at Wikipedia, which are scholarly and MADem Aug 2014 #230

I am a sticker for a word maning what it says it means. truedelphi Aug 2014 #231

Are you a sticker (sic) for words like: Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #232

No, you aren't. You're denying the obvious. And if I may say, as someone who isn't MADem Aug 2014 #235

but this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #124

Antisemite in every dictionary means anti Jewish King_David Aug 2014 #140

again, this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #146

It's being disputed in this very thread, and for reasons that have nothing to do with MADem Aug 2014 #236

This! egduj Aug 2014 #116

Being Pro-Humanity maxrandb Aug 2014 #70

dislike for the thug who runs isreal does not mean you are anti-semitic dembotoz Aug 2014 #75

It seems many confuse "Semitic" with the state of Israel... or worse, with the gtar100 Aug 2014 #76

Just As, Sir, It 'Can Be Hard To Get Through Some Noggins' The Magistrate Aug 2014 #77

Yes, there is that too. Racists and bigots do tend to find a way to "leak" out their poison gtar100 Aug 2014 #82

^^^^^^^^ Yeah! n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #104

It seems blatant madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #78

That's a good point. Codeine Aug 2014 #80

I don't think it is rampant, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #81

here someone is claiming that a cabal of rich Jews have the final grip over the Democratic Party Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #83

Noticed that one too? azurnoir Aug 2014 #110

It depends on what you mean by "rampant". BlueCheese Aug 2014 #84

Pls consider the definition of the word "Semite" -- truedelphi Aug 2014 #85

Pls consider the definition of the word "Antisemitism" Codeine Aug 2014 #86

Bwahahahaha. truedelphi Aug 2014 #98

I thought the Zionists were white European colonialist invaders Mosby Aug 2014 #95

You are thinking about it too much. truedelphi Aug 2014 #100

This! egduj Aug 2014 #115

Being Anti Likud is not being antisemitic n2doc Aug 2014 #90

Yes ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #92

No. But, there is a lot of blatant anti-atrocity statements that are rampant. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #94

True that. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #229

Tastelessly conspicuous is one of the definitions of Blatant. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #101

I don't know about "rampant." At least not yet. But it's definitely here. villager Aug 2014 #107

There's a difference. sakabatou Aug 2014 #112

If you are a Jew with a mind set in the best tradition of Judaism aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #113

Not rampant, but present. MH1 Aug 2014 #117

Put me down for "present, but not rampant" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #118

it is certainly there, we see it when it comes to blacks, gays, women and others also JI7 Aug 2014 #119

yup Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #127

Is blatant anti-Christianism rampant here at DU? That would also be an interesting question Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #134

it's more directed at Republicans in this country and as a way of showing them to be hypocrites JI7 Aug 2014 #179

Is subtle anti-semitism present here at DU? oberliner Aug 2014 #123

I repeat: The poll question was based on the wording of a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #133

Criticism of Israel's military policy does not equal anti-Semitism. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #125

No, it doesn't, but this does... Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #129

And, so? Enthusiast Aug 2014 #137

You said in your strawman, that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #141

No. I said criticism of Israel's military policy, distinctly different than criticism of Israel. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #142

My anger? LOL! Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #147

I stand by my post. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #148

As do I. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #149

OK, I'd like to break this example down step by step, if I may. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #150

Do you not see those comments as anti-Semitic? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #151

Being mindful that I'm trying to seek understanding, and that I did not originally make the comments Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #162

That's awful. Why would any sane person argue in favor of that? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #164

Not the best way to put it. defacto7 Aug 2014 #128

I just saw an OP that made my blood run cold. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #130

A link could be helpful Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #132

You might have to wait a while...nt. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #156

I'd rather not call anyone in particular out. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #213

Rampant is a poor word choice but those who voted "no" are wearing blinders imho riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #135

or maybe they don't want to be pushed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #154

So most the DU is wrong on this topic? Really? n-t Logical Aug 2014 #227

I alerted on a poster who posted Veteran's Today Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #136

And an Israel supporter posted a link to "Stormfront." BillZBubb Aug 2014 #158

The admins do see all alerts. MADem Aug 2014 #238

Nope. Iggo Aug 2014 #138

I don't think it's 'rampant', but I do see it here, particularly of late. closeupready Aug 2014 #143

Blatant? No. Garthem Aug 2014 #144

I call it the cornball 24 Aug 2014 #153

I haven't seen it - but I see a lot of folks I respect in the "yes" TBF Aug 2014 #155

"comparisons to Nazi Germany may be over the top" BillZBubb Aug 2014 #160

That's the only thing I can come up with - TBF Aug 2014 #163

Do you think comparing Israel to Nazi Germany has anything to do with Jews? oberliner Aug 2014 #176

Yes, obviously. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #191

Right so can't you see why that might be offensive? oberliner Aug 2014 #193

Thank you - this is helpful and I appreciate the time you took to go through it all. TBF Aug 2014 #197

I understand oberliner Aug 2014 #200

Of course, people can be offended by a lot of things. I never said it wasn't offensive to some. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #198

I appreciate your response oberliner Aug 2014 #201

Another example oberliner Aug 2014 #195

I see folks I respect on both sides Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #181

We regularly excoriate the religious nuts who infest American politics. On a daily basis, even. randome Aug 2014 #159

What about the Jewish religion are you mocking? BainsBane Aug 2014 #165

Maybe that's how it was categorized in the past but how is that the case now? randome Aug 2014 #169

Yes, this country is full of secular Jews BainsBane Aug 2014 #174

Most religions are about far, far more than informing people about history and knowledge. randome Aug 2014 #177

I think much the same thing could be said about Catholics Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #171

You have to be careful to qualify those particular people you are talking about. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #167

I get your point but religion is still at the base of Israel. randome Aug 2014 #170

True, but even in Israel there is not uninimity on issues. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #178

An attempt to answer you in good faith. Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity herding cats Aug 2014 #183

Blending ethnicity and religion is not very smart, IMO. And Israel is to 'blame' for that. randome Aug 2014 #188

There's no way to seperate the people from the religon after millennia. herding cats Aug 2014 #192

I wouldn't say 'rampant' but there are examples of such here. Kaleva Aug 2014 #172

OTHER: We have a problem with a very few people, but many more are not choosing their words MADem Aug 2014 #180

I'd endorse this comment. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #182

I've seen it, intentional or not it has happened. herding cats Aug 2014 #186

I made the comment MohRokTah Aug 2014 #187

I appreciate your feedback Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #190

Yes. LexVegas Aug 2014 #196

Examples? nt BillZBubb Aug 2014 #199

I went for not sure customerserviceguy Aug 2014 #202

I don't know about rampant, but many examples have been shown in this thread of blatant Rex Aug 2014 #203

no, that's absurd mwrguy Aug 2014 #205

Bingo! You hit the correct answer. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #211

Blatant - no. Definitely here, though. 840high Aug 2014 #206

Fuck yes! Anti-semitism. Racism. Sexism. And homophobia. Yes, liberals can be all of those. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #210

Sad but true. BainsBane Aug 2014 #219

It's always interesting to see mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #224

anti-Semitism... SummerSnow Aug 2014 #226

There's been a lot of anti-Semitism here lately Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #228

I think those who tried to equate Israel with Nazis or Nazi actions are very likely anti-Semites stevenleser Aug 2014 #240

At best comparing Israel to the Nazis is unbelievably insensitive Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #241

Yes, because if you criticize the Israeli government Aerows Aug 2014 #233

So you don't think there is anti-Semitism here? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #234

Are you suggesting Aerows Aug 2014 #239

So are you claiming you weren't mocking anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #242

Behind the Aegis Aerows Aug 2014 #243

And what I see, are the ACCUSATIONS of FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #249

This is a very emotional issue Aerows Aug 2014 #252

NOT anti-anybody kpete Aug 2014 #237

No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #244

The Poll has ended Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #246

Thank you for the call out. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #247

Fair enough, and I apologize to you. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #253

no! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #248

Looking at the current figures 93/304/11 Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #251