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Sat Aug 2, 2014, 06:35 PM

Aug 2014

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Pres. Obama is hoping that we're goddamn idiots out here, still cowed by talk of 9-11 [View all] bigtree Aug 2014 OP

Torture is criminal behavior no matter what motivates the torturer. Blecht Aug 2014 #1

Oh, please. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #2

let's see who lines up behind this sentiment of yours bigtree Aug 2014 #5

Ignore Ignorance billhicks76 Aug 2014 #47

So, most humans aren't decent... brooklynite Aug 2014 #139

How do you think Obama can wave the presidential magic wand BainsBane Aug 2014 #174

Torture is illegal in the United States. No international body is required to execute our own laws. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #175

How do you think a prosecution could proceed? BainsBane Aug 2014 #182

Are you arguing that if I torture someone that there are no laws to hold me accountable? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #184

No, I asked you what the legal basis you think is for acting on government officials BainsBane Aug 2014 #185

Government officials don't have a separate legal system, that is supposed to be a feature. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #192

Oh Right He's Powerless billhicks76 Aug 2014 #176

So it is what he says that bothers you BainsBane Aug 2014 #179

Uh No? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #183

How could "using the bully pulpit" BainsBane Aug 2014 #186

Use Your imagination billhicks76 Aug 2014 #189

Use my imagination? BainsBane Aug 2014 #191

Wow billhicks76 Aug 2014 #217

Just because something SHOULD happen doesn't mean it is a viable option. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #76

that's in the constitution, isn't it? bigtree Aug 2014 #83

So people who call for something that should happen to really happen are 'no better than teabaggers' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #122

Well put muriel. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #142

Torture Report billhicks76 Aug 2014 #180

Viable Option? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #178

Pragmatic Pragmatism is pragmatic bobduca Aug 2014 #198

LOL Blecht Aug 2014 #8

Sock Puppets billhicks76 Aug 2014 #48

You still here? Rex Aug 2014 #9

Lol! NealK Aug 2014 #36

Yes. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #77

Well, what is law breaking then if not criminal behavior? Dragonfli Aug 2014 #11

"But hey, I was only following orders...." n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #126

Otherwise known as the Nuremberg defense /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #127

Law breaking only matters if you're poor. boomer55 Aug 2014 #135

I agree, I even wrote an OP about it Dragonfli Aug 2014 #136

What then is it? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #13

�Oh, please.� yourself. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #14

The projection, it burns. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #15

That's the dumbest goddamned thing I've read all day. nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #16

. ReRe Aug 2014 #35

No shit! blackspade Aug 2014 #43

+1000 n/t Aerows Aug 2014 #67

I guess you haven't made a visit to Truth Out, Commondreams, or FDL today. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #78

I don't need to visit those places when I can see you make the dumbest ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #95

So tell us where you like to "visit". nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #144

In a world chock full of dumb stuff, that is saying something. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #110

Amen to that!! n/t KarenS Aug 2014 #187

Oh Please. If you think that is any kind of intelligent argument you are delusional. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #55

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #119

Anyone Notice? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #168

Same as on the school ground. The same kids always sided with the bullies. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #171

Or Maybe billhicks76 Aug 2014 #172

Perhaps both. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #194

don't be so santamonious stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #218

Not sure who you are arguing with. Israel has a right to defend itself, I agree. Just as the USofA rhett o rick Aug 2014 #219

Yeah you Astroturf Torture cheerleaders are no better than the teabaggers bobduca Aug 2014 #63

I don't support torture. Neither does the President. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #75

Yeah torture without consequences! USA! USA! neverforget Aug 2014 #80

No one said it isn't frustrating. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #81

Frustrating? It's not frustrating. It's fucking obscene if they get away with neverforget Aug 2014 #82

Yeah you got it right. I'm so pissed a Ronald Reagan right now I can't see straight. Autumn Aug 2014 #88

"misdirection" is the tell n/t bobduca Aug 2014 #199

Presumably the anger should be directed at something else. sibelian Aug 2014 #200

You are starting to let you mask slip. Welcome back, btw. morningfog Aug 2014 #73

I didn't get a sense of this at all, from his speech... I will have to agree with you. secondwind Aug 2014 #107

Wow, those who oppose torture = Teabaggers???? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #124

Greetings fellow teabagger ...who opposes torture... L0oniX Aug 2014 #138

Wait until they start calling you a terrorist, or a Putin lover! Lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #149

Let's cut to the chase: If someone tortures another person, and that person is innocent of a crime, grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #158

Please What? billhicks76 Aug 2014 #166

Oh hell yes! montanacowboy Aug 2014 #3

This is where the president and I part company. AtomicKitten Aug 2014 #4

in the speech he said torture was wrong several times, and that he banned the practice. i agree dionysus Aug 2014 #65

My concern is without prosecution AtomicKitten Aug 2014 #69

I think that's correct, AtomicKitten. An Executive Order from this President outlaws practices now bigtree Aug 2014 #74

That is exactly why the torture act and the war crimes act need to be amended Vattel Aug 2014 #79

We know who - GWB, Cheney. It's not just "wrong" it's illegal, a war crime. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #159

i know graham, but if you tried prosecuting bush and cheney for treason and war crimes, you'd have dionysus Aug 2014 #164

You are wrong. We are better than that. Besides, it's our duty and obligation, not prosecuting makes grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #165

I didn't realize the legal system had been replaced by guesstimates of hypothetical polls TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #177

Can't we get the torturers names from wikileaks or Snowden? nilesobek Aug 2014 #188

Planned well in advance of 9/11. Lots of Shock Doctrine in that little speech of his. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #6

His defense of Brennan's perjuring ass is unconscionable! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2014 #7

He is obligated to. Brennan has a higher pay grade. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #56

So not going to fix the problem? No offense sir, but the CIA just admitted to spying on Congress. Rex Aug 2014 #10

"We tortured some folks." democrank Aug 2014 #12

See? Bush would have said "We tortured some terrorists." rug Aug 2014 #29

Damn, you stole my line! NealK Aug 2014 #39

WTF? A lot of those folks... are real patriots? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #17

War is Peace. Torturers are Patriots. woo me with science Aug 2014 #215

He's excusing atrocities because the guilty parties were jittery? Damn. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #18

Any President we get, from the way that our "free elections" truedelphi Aug 2014 #140

He is afraid of this cabal in our government that uses our military power JDPriestly Aug 2014 #19

The worst President in my 70-year lifetime ... DrBulldog Aug 2014 #20

Best president in my lifetime MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22

What a ludicrous post LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #23

what a load of JaydenD Aug 2014 #24

!!! zappaman Aug 2014 #30

"Obama is a wimp who shames our nation" Freeper quote or DU quote? emulatorloo Aug 2014 #84

They are still sore over him getting OBL and their hero not giving a shit. Rex Aug 2014 #89

FREEPER ALERT secondwind Aug 2014 #108

Obama 2016! stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #120

Hey if the shoe fits... LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #21

Oh, I get it. It was like road rage. She was driving too slow so I brained her with a hammer. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #25

excellent analysis grasswire Aug 2014 #26

unrec rbrnmw Aug 2014 #27

I'm a fan of the president, rbrnmw bigtree Aug 2014 #38

When isn't it an election cycle? Savannahmann Aug 2014 #64

Obama is not running for office. grasswire Aug 2014 #90

His remarks are new and they suck whether it's an election cycle or not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #103

There is a Group here that is made just for you. If you hang out in GD rhett o rick Aug 2014 #145

So racist! LibertAAAAAArians everywhere! sibelian Aug 2014 #201

maybe world courts should move in. we seem unable to prosecute our own. spanone Aug 2014 #28

"We tortured some folks" and Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #31

Wasn't CIA barred by law from spying internally? mazzarro Aug 2014 #32

I'm no expert bigtree Aug 2014 #45

CIA held to mere "laws" Shirley you jest. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #61

Where. The. Fuck. Is. Prosense? ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #33

Promoted? Posting on DU is now below her paygrade? Divernan Aug 2014 #118

I thought perhaps shame had finally overcome her. grasswire Aug 2014 #129

Developing her own wiki, I'd imagine. sibelian Aug 2014 #202

No comment, n/t Duval Aug 2014 #34

I second that emotion. NealK Aug 2014 #41

Fuck. This. BULLSHIT. kath Aug 2014 #37

"We did some things that were contrary to our values." rock Aug 2014 #40

WTH is Obama doing? blackspade Aug 2014 #42

Perhaps backing away from the Geneva Convention to take out terrorists here in the US after DhhD Aug 2014 #125

Isn't admitting you have a problem the first and hardest step? Johonny Aug 2014 #44

Might as well make excuses for rapists and child molesters too. GoneFishin Aug 2014 #46

Two Democratic senators demanded that Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan resign... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #49

Nice try but Brennan is part of the ruling branch of government (NSA/CIA) that out ranks rhett o rick Aug 2014 #58

It beats all I've ever seen, bigtree ReRe Aug 2014 #50

There's only so far that a United States president can or will go cheapdate Aug 2014 #51

Agreed. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #70

Do you realize what you just wrote? BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #92

I'm pretty sure I do. cheapdate Aug 2014 #96

You are saying there has been a military coup in this country BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #97

I'm not saying that at all. cheapdate Aug 2014 #98

I'm not really sure what you're talking about BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #99

I'm in more than one discussion. cheapdate Aug 2014 #100

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #121

I think that the CIA has become so powerful, it's like it's own, rogue branch of government, dionysus Aug 2014 #153

Agreed BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #167

agree flamingdem Aug 2014 #101

Really - tell it to the whistleblowers in jail. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #160

OK...I'll try...here goes: cheapdate Aug 2014 #173

In reality, they are bound by this oath: grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #195

We are in agreement, I'm sure, on quite a lot. cheapdate Aug 2014 #206

I understand, yet believe firmly that the country would be in far better shape now grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #208

I don't think so, but who knows? cheapdate Aug 2014 #210

No, the polling data clearly shows the public far to the left of DU, and the corporate war machine. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #212

That sounds really good cheapdate Aug 2014 #214

Afghanistan war on terror??? Most unpopular in history: grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #216

in a sane country graham, i'd agree with you. that's the only thing i think we disagree on. i don't dionysus Aug 2014 #211

Meantime, the R's will impeach Obama on a whim. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #213

People weren't tortured out of fear. They were tortured due to sadism. Ash_F Aug 2014 #52

Maybe he's trying to Politicalboi Aug 2014 #53

"The United States is a rogue, criminal, terrorist, enterprise..." cheapdate Aug 2014 #54

Well that is how you move the Democrats to the right. zeemike Aug 2014 #57

jesus, he said several times in the clip that it was wrong and against our values and he banned such dionysus Aug 2014 #66

Don't confuse me with the facts. emulatorloo Aug 2014 #85

Why wouldn't they? We can strangle their funding. We can fire the head of the CIA. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #155

I think Brennan is a figurehead, go ahead and fire him. i bet we don't even know the names of the dionysus Aug 2014 #156

If they do not comply with a legal order then you frogmarch them to jail. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #181

So who do they work for? If they received an order to fork over the names from someone? bobduca Aug 2014 #197

i don't think the CIA works for anyone anymore, i consider them a rogue branch of government. I dionysus Aug 2014 #207

Yes, and now a whole bunch of pseudo lefties will go "awwww" sibelian Aug 2014 #203

So when Saddam tortured people, was he too very patriotic and just under pressure? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #59

"...hopefully we don't do it again...." is a feckless substitute for prosecuting Bush et al. xocet Aug 2014 #102

yeah. let's pretend we're not still torturing... KG Aug 2014 #60

that's why i believe he never went after Bush and Co. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #62

But it is not about torture - that is only a diversion. kentuck Aug 2014 #68

well bigtree Aug 2014 #72

Excellent question. kentuck Aug 2014 #163

This is horrifying. AzDar Aug 2014 #71

After the Clapper scenario sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #86

on the other hand bigtree Aug 2014 #87

Independent Counsel time. grasswire Aug 2014 #91

you're on to something bigtree Aug 2014 #94

Sigh...that law expired 15 years ago. The last Special Counsel we had was Patrick Fitzgerald. msanthrope Aug 2014 #105

Release The 28 Pages billhicks76 Aug 2014 #93

He is an extremely HUGE-ASS disappointment. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #104

I did not get a sense of this at all, from his speech.... I think it was a very good one. secondwind Aug 2014 #106

WTF? It is simply true that the nation was treestar Aug 2014 #109

Mr. President, real patriots do not torture. I think you are confused. Or something. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #111

No, that wasn't his point. His point was that the country is in a very different position today pnwmom Aug 2014 #112

Americans were wrong then. Wrong and weak. grasswire Aug 2014 #128

Obama stopped the torture and got us out of Iraq. pnwmom Aug 2014 #146

Some days I'm ashamed to be an American. Scuba Aug 2014 #113

Looks like Brennan's little spying gig worked out pangaia Aug 2014 #114

"Folks" is the signal that the President is merely passing along a talking point Babel_17 Aug 2014 #115

good point grasswire Aug 2014 #131

"We tortured some folks," It's not a fuckng C&W song! (nt) mr blur Aug 2014 #116

"We did some things that were contrary to our values." rhett o rick Aug 2014 #117

I am of the opinion that Obama's decision not to at least appoint a commission was a major err. olegramps Aug 2014 #123

your assessment is thoughtful, but generous. grasswire Aug 2014 #132

I would welcome an elaboration. I am not sure of your meaning. olegramps Aug 2014 #134

He says Obama is "perpetuating terror." That's his opinion. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #147

Yep... you got it...they are crazy for power polynomial Aug 2014 #151

That is an interesting twist. olegramps Aug 2014 #205

Thanks to BigTree for the post . . FairWinds Aug 2014 #130

"We tortured some folks," he said. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #133

How noble he is. sibelian Aug 2014 #204

Truth is evasive and Obama owns the discharge of war criminals as well as the banksters. L0oniX Aug 2014 #137

Hands Up! Who thinks we should impeach President Obama!? brooklynite Aug 2014 #141

Everyone is arguing about torture and nothing else, which was probably intended. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #143

everyone? bigtree Aug 2014 #150

My bad. I ought to have said 'in general.' QuestForSense Aug 2014 #162

Yep. Most of the Senate is silent, and Chambliss even defended Brennan. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #152

I hear you loud and clear. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #169

They're all fully aware of how stupid the general American public is. Zorra Aug 2014 #148

And the infiltration continues. Lining up early for the 2016 election. Getting up your post counts Pisces Aug 2014 #154

let's see bigtree Aug 2014 #157

You are none of those things leftstreet Aug 2014 #170

Let's cut to the chase. Should a torturer be prosecuted? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #161

Big Tree "infiltrated" in 2003, as did I BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #196

The Bush administration's wars of aggression, torture, renditions, fiscal madness, Constitution- indepat Aug 2014 #190

Bush is a goddamn criminal and should be tried for war crimes. Lint Head Aug 2014 #193

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #209