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27. Links

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:00 PM

Aug 2014

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet

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There is no need for anyone to fly off the handle, but is HRC part [View all] sadoldgirl Aug 2014 OP

... milestogo Aug 2014 #1

This has been debunked many times but keep trying. William769 Aug 2014 #2

She didn't praise their leader? DirkGently Aug 2014 #98

nice sharp_stick Aug 2014 #3

Sorry, but I really sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #5

You really need sharp_stick Aug 2014 #7

Ted Kennedy was also connected with the group. And Al Gore and John Glenn. pnwmom Aug 2014 #64

Don't forget, she's also part of the Illuminati! brooklynite Aug 2014 #4

Hillary is part of the Family and has spoken about it herself, is there some reason sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #40

THIS JackRiddler Aug 2014 #42

I posted another in response to the OP, so at least the OP HAS received sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44

The Family has no female members. okasha Aug 2014 #43

Wrong, the Family separates the sexes and Hillary belonged to a Female Cell sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #45

Nowhere does that passage call her a member. okasha Aug 2014 #47

'Evil'?? Really? Who said anything, other than YOU, about 'evil'. We are sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #48

Ted Kennedy was connected with the group before she was. How dare she think pnwmom Aug 2014 #65

No, it wasn't okay for any of them to do so. And the cell she belonged to was for sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #77

I don't know, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #6

Jeff Sharlet's book "THE FAMILY: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," does blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #8

Yes, I heard about this on Rachel's show, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #9

I read that these persons are also affiliated with THE FAMILY: blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #10

It's been intimated Jeff Shalert is on the Koch Brother's payroll wyldwolf Aug 2014 #11

What's that have to do with this? Ah, yes, mocking. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And sock blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #12

LOL, no. That has been 'intimated.' It is a fact it has been 'intimated.' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #16

So, it is just a smear? Sorry for my ignorance, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #14

I would love to see a link or two! Change has come Aug 2014 #41

Hillary has spoken about her association with the Family HERSELF in one of her books. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49

"Gay rights are human rights". I wonder who said that? William769 Aug 2014 #20

She herself has spoken highly of her association with the Family. Perhaps you do not sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #50

She was among the last Democrats to finally support marriage equality after years of saying some Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #76

Actually, his book says, explicitly, she is not a part of the family. joshcryer Aug 2014 #21

Question is, how close is too close? They don't carry membership cards, after all. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #24

She associated for strategic reasons. joshcryer Aug 2014 #25

"Associated for strategic reasons"? tularetom Aug 2014 #29

Well, I think she is religious. joshcryer Aug 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Aug 2014 #26

I (finally) had to pull this book out of storage just to read the Clinton passages. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #33

Yep. joshcryer Aug 2014 #37

Thank you for this--step back and wait for the flood of apologies to flow in for misstating the MADem Aug 2014 #51

Post #29 is the response I've got, generally. joshcryer Aug 2014 #55

Sometimes you have to do deals with assholes--it's the nature of politics. MADem Aug 2014 #57

The lies that she "is part of the family" are disgusting. joshcryer Aug 2014 #59

I know, and it's pretty telling that, when confronted with the evidence refuting the assertion, MADem Aug 2014 #71

Thanks. 840high Aug 2014 #32

I have read that also. It began when she was first lady and she attended 'prayer sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #38

"Hillary Clinton is very cozy with this extreme rightwing Cult" L0oniX Aug 2014 #80

You've Rumbled It, Ma'am: Once She Is Elected, The Mask Comes Off.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13

Alright Sir, then what am I to believe? sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #15

"Believe nothing" is a good policy in general. bhikkhu Aug 2014 #17

Yes, Hillary has been involved in prayer meetings with the Family or the Fellowship sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #39

That means her involvement, whatever it was, ended 13 years ago. While there were still pnwmom Aug 2014 #60

The bottom line of groups like THE FAMILY is Christian Dominionism (New Apostolic Reformation/ blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #18

I Know What It Is, Sir, And Read Mr. Shalit's Piece When It Was Current The Magistrate Aug 2014 #22

Hillary is part of the Family, she has been for a very long time. I don't know sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #46

You need to read post 33 because your allegations are not supported. nt MADem Aug 2014 #54

I've read dozens of articles on Hillary's association with The Family. You need to read her sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #73

so you believe the 'dozens of articles' but not the very book the articles were based on? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #74

Now you're just being obstreperous. Your misstatements have been challenged, and MADem Aug 2014 #79

She has praised the Family and participated as she has stated, in those Female sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #81

You keep telling people in this thread that she's a MEMBER.That is FALSE-Now you're backtracking. MADem Aug 2014 #85

When did she quit the Family? Do you have a link? I have never seen anything sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #87

How can you 'quit' something you've never been a member of? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #88

I'm glad that we're having this conversation and you provided that great footnote, down to the page MADem Aug 2014 #90

Sorry--you haven't proven your erroneous assertion that she was a "MEMBER." You don't get to MADem Aug 2014 #89

You posted an article saying that she started with them in 1993 and left after 8 years. pnwmom Aug 2014 #69

Do you have a link to say she quit her association with them? Thanks. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #75

Pins dropping is hurting my ears. Please stop the pain. L0oniX Aug 2014 #82

Lol, I don't get all the excitement over this, it is well known that Hillary sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #84

Read post 33 and the pain should end for you (though a new one might begin). MADem Aug 2014 #92

How can she quit when she wasn't a member--as you've been told, and you continue to ignore? nt MADem Aug 2014 #91

I make decisions based on facts, not on anonymous posters on the internet. Hillary sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #106

You haven't provided any facts. You've just provided a rumor that has been proven MADem Aug 2014 #109

You posted that link. Read the first paragraph of the article YOU posted. pnwmom Aug 2014 #100

She was part of the Women's Prayer Cell for a number of years. Then she was included sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #107

And Ted Kennedy "formed alliances" with some "pretty awful" Republicans, too -- pnwmom Aug 2014 #108

I have found this entire exchange very revealing. MADem Aug 2014 #110

What they are is a prosperity cult and those aims will probably make some hay TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #19

Ha! MADem Aug 2014 #52

That was Eisenhower, am I right? sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #23

Links octoberlib Aug 2014 #27

Thanks for the links, very much appreciated sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #28

Let's go to the actual book rather than internet sources from biased writers. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #34

Don't know, don't care, don't want her anyway. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #31

Some more info from Daily Kos MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #35

No, HRC never even met Charles Manson notadmblnd Aug 2014 #36

Since the days of her time as "First Lady".. she's been a faithful member.. 2banon Aug 2014 #53

No, she hasn't. A "friend" is not a "member." Nice try, though a bit ham-handed. MADem Aug 2014 #56

The only article posted in this thread said her association with them ended 13 years ago, in 2001. pnwmom Aug 2014 #70

She has an uncomfortably close association w/them Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #58

Her relationship with them -- whatever it was -- ended in 2001, according to the article. pnwmom Aug 2014 #61

Fair enough Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #62

Also, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, and John Glenn, among others, were "associated" pnwmom Aug 2014 #63

Ted's dead and I am not Al's biggest fan... Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #66

The point is that people like Ted and Al were already members pnwmom Aug 2014 #68

No. Whatever association she had ended in 2001. pnwmom Aug 2014 #67

So let's do a quick review and put it to rest, at least for this thread. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #72

Thank you oldandhappy Aug 2014 #78

another tidbit wyldwolf Aug 2014 #83

Uh oh.... Kennedy and Carter, under the bus? MADem Aug 2014 #94

You. Are. SUPERB. MADem Aug 2014 #93

It doesn't end here. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #96

I vote for "...mislead people on purpose." The question is ... WHY? MADem Aug 2014 #99

Right. Journalists like that are all about the horserace. All about the drama. pnwmom Aug 2014 #102

Great job putting it all together, wyldwolf! Thanks! pnwmom Aug 2014 #101

Gosh! No one's ever heard that before. Iggo Aug 2014 #86

A great Thank you to everyone, who sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #95

Well, some online sites are crap. Raw Story is one of them. Rex Aug 2014 #97

Ted Kennedy was in the same group and he wasn't a RW-religious-wackadoodle either. pnwmom Aug 2014 #103

Yeah none of them seem like RW and if they are/were they hid it well. Rex Aug 2014 #104

Ted Kennedy was one of the major liberals in the Senate. pnwmom Aug 2014 #105