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In reply to the discussion: There is no need for anyone to fly off the handle, but is HRC part [View all]wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)34. Let's go to the actual book rather than internet sources from biased writers.
Here is what I've gathered and here is what is printed in the book.
The author states Clinton is, indeed, religious. Big surprise, right?
The first time Sharlet uses The Reverend Rob Schenck, the founder of a ministry called Faith and Action in the Nations Capitala knockoff of the Family, the theological equivalent of fake Gucci - as a source:
For instance, says Schenck, Senators Sam Brownback and Hillary Clinton, partners in prayer at Coes weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. The Family is dedicated to spiritual war, not the intramural combat of party politics, Schenck explained. Coe doesnt have a systematic theology, he has a vision of power. Not just to come, but as it exists. Theyre into living with what is, said Schenck. But you dont want to alienate them, you dont want to antagonize them. You need them as your friends. Even Hillary will need them. They keep a sort of cultural homeostasis in Washington. Washington right now is a town where if youre going to be powerful, you need religion. Thats just the way its done.
The author then explicitly states (and there really is no room for interpretation here):
Hillary may well be Gods beautiful child, (my note: a term Sam Brownback calls people like Paul Wellstone, Ted Kennedy and, yes, Hillary Clinton) but shes not a member of Coes Family. Rather, Id been told at Ivanwald, shes a friend, less elect then a member, but more chosen than the rest of us. A fellow traveler but not a sister. Her goals are not their goals; but when on occasion they coincide, Hillary and the Family can work together.
And there you have it, folks. The most damning passage linking Hillary to 'The Family.' The rest of the book's commentary on Clinton is, in my opinion, a judgmental assault on Hillary for being religious, ambitious and being willing to mix the two. If you want to knock her for that, be my guest, but that is a technique many politicians (yes, even liberal ones) have used to great success.
But who else is mentioned in the book as a 'friend' of The Family? Al Gore (page 259)
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There is no need for anyone to fly off the handle, but is HRC part [View all]
sadoldgirl
Aug 2014
OP
Hillary is part of the Family and has spoken about it herself, is there some reason
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#40
No, it wasn't okay for any of them to do so. And the cell she belonged to was for
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#77
Jeff Sharlet's book "THE FAMILY: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," does
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#8
What's that have to do with this? Ah, yes, mocking. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And sock
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#12
Hillary has spoken about her association with the Family HERSELF in one of her books.
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#49
She herself has spoken highly of her association with the Family. Perhaps you do not
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#50
She was among the last Democrats to finally support marriage equality after years of saying some
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2014
#76
Question is, how close is too close? They don't carry membership cards, after all.
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#24
I (finally) had to pull this book out of storage just to read the Clinton passages.
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#33
Thank you for this--step back and wait for the flood of apologies to flow in for misstating the
MADem
Aug 2014
#51
I know, and it's pretty telling that, when confronted with the evidence refuting the assertion,
MADem
Aug 2014
#71
I have read that also. It began when she was first lady and she attended 'prayer
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#38
Yes, Hillary has been involved in prayer meetings with the Family or the Fellowship
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#39
That means her involvement, whatever it was, ended 13 years ago. While there were still
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#60
The bottom line of groups like THE FAMILY is Christian Dominionism (New Apostolic Reformation/
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#18
Hillary is part of the Family, she has been for a very long time. I don't know
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#46
I've read dozens of articles on Hillary's association with The Family. You need to read her
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#73
so you believe the 'dozens of articles' but not the very book the articles were based on?
wyldwolf
Aug 2014
#74
She has praised the Family and participated as she has stated, in those Female
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#81
You keep telling people in this thread that she's a MEMBER.That is FALSE-Now you're backtracking.
MADem
Aug 2014
#85
I'm glad that we're having this conversation and you provided that great footnote, down to the page
MADem
Aug 2014
#90
Sorry--you haven't proven your erroneous assertion that she was a "MEMBER." You don't get to
MADem
Aug 2014
#89
You posted an article saying that she started with them in 1993 and left after 8 years.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#69
How can she quit when she wasn't a member--as you've been told, and you continue to ignore? nt
MADem
Aug 2014
#91
I make decisions based on facts, not on anonymous posters on the internet. Hillary
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#106
You haven't provided any facts. You've just provided a rumor that has been proven
MADem
Aug 2014
#109
She was part of the Women's Prayer Cell for a number of years. Then she was included
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#107
And Ted Kennedy "formed alliances" with some "pretty awful" Republicans, too --
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#108
What they are is a prosperity cult and those aims will probably make some hay
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#19
The only article posted in this thread said her association with them ended 13 years ago, in 2001.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#70
Her relationship with them -- whatever it was -- ended in 2001, according to the article.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#61
Ted Kennedy was in the same group and he wasn't a RW-religious-wackadoodle either.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#103