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joshcryer

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37. Yep.

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:08 AM

Aug 2014

You can find a PDF of it online (literally the fourth hit on google for the title and ".pdf" is the entire book). I posted to an extent about this idea here.

Basically it's a right wing smear against Clinton. Not to smear her because they would actually disagree with her being part of The Family, mind you, but to smear her in the eyes of the left and to make us shun her. In reality they would like for her to be part of The Family, but they know she's not, which is why on one hand they spread this meme while on the other they hate and despise her.

If you continue that chapter he does go on to say she's a "Cold Warrior," someone who evokes Cold War mythology, but even then that's not a big deal, she aged in that time, it makes sense. And later on he says she was distancing herself from her feminism yet we know that is objectively false with her latest speaking tours, where she has called for people to call her a feminist.

When I said "explicitly" I meant it. There's really no room for interpretation. Sharlet never said what people claim he said at all.

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There is no need for anyone to fly off the handle, but is HRC part [View all] sadoldgirl Aug 2014 OP

... milestogo Aug 2014 #1

This has been debunked many times but keep trying. William769 Aug 2014 #2

She didn't praise their leader? DirkGently Aug 2014 #98

nice sharp_stick Aug 2014 #3

Sorry, but I really sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #5

You really need sharp_stick Aug 2014 #7

Ted Kennedy was also connected with the group. And Al Gore and John Glenn. pnwmom Aug 2014 #64

Don't forget, she's also part of the Illuminati! brooklynite Aug 2014 #4

Hillary is part of the Family and has spoken about it herself, is there some reason sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #40

THIS JackRiddler Aug 2014 #42

I posted another in response to the OP, so at least the OP HAS received sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44

The Family has no female members. okasha Aug 2014 #43

Wrong, the Family separates the sexes and Hillary belonged to a Female Cell sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #45

Nowhere does that passage call her a member. okasha Aug 2014 #47

'Evil'?? Really? Who said anything, other than YOU, about 'evil'. We are sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #48

Ted Kennedy was connected with the group before she was. How dare she think pnwmom Aug 2014 #65

No, it wasn't okay for any of them to do so. And the cell she belonged to was for sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #77

I don't know, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #6

Jeff Sharlet's book "THE FAMILY: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," does blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #8

Yes, I heard about this on Rachel's show, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #9

I read that these persons are also affiliated with THE FAMILY: blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #10

It's been intimated Jeff Shalert is on the Koch Brother's payroll wyldwolf Aug 2014 #11

What's that have to do with this? Ah, yes, mocking. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And sock blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #12

LOL, no. That has been 'intimated.' It is a fact it has been 'intimated.' wyldwolf Aug 2014 #16

So, it is just a smear? Sorry for my ignorance, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #14

I would love to see a link or two! Change has come Aug 2014 #41

Hillary has spoken about her association with the Family HERSELF in one of her books. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49

"Gay rights are human rights". I wonder who said that? William769 Aug 2014 #20

She herself has spoken highly of her association with the Family. Perhaps you do not sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #50

She was among the last Democrats to finally support marriage equality after years of saying some Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #76

Actually, his book says, explicitly, she is not a part of the family. joshcryer Aug 2014 #21

Question is, how close is too close? They don't carry membership cards, after all. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #24

She associated for strategic reasons. joshcryer Aug 2014 #25

"Associated for strategic reasons"? tularetom Aug 2014 #29

Well, I think she is religious. joshcryer Aug 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Aug 2014 #26

I (finally) had to pull this book out of storage just to read the Clinton passages. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #33

Yep. joshcryer Aug 2014 #37

Thank you for this--step back and wait for the flood of apologies to flow in for misstating the MADem Aug 2014 #51

Post #29 is the response I've got, generally. joshcryer Aug 2014 #55

Sometimes you have to do deals with assholes--it's the nature of politics. MADem Aug 2014 #57

The lies that she "is part of the family" are disgusting. joshcryer Aug 2014 #59

I know, and it's pretty telling that, when confronted with the evidence refuting the assertion, MADem Aug 2014 #71

Thanks. 840high Aug 2014 #32

I have read that also. It began when she was first lady and she attended 'prayer sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #38

"Hillary Clinton is very cozy with this extreme rightwing Cult" L0oniX Aug 2014 #80

You've Rumbled It, Ma'am: Once She Is Elected, The Mask Comes Off.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13

Alright Sir, then what am I to believe? sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #15

"Believe nothing" is a good policy in general. bhikkhu Aug 2014 #17

Yes, Hillary has been involved in prayer meetings with the Family or the Fellowship sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #39

That means her involvement, whatever it was, ended 13 years ago. While there were still pnwmom Aug 2014 #60

The bottom line of groups like THE FAMILY is Christian Dominionism (New Apostolic Reformation/ blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #18

I Know What It Is, Sir, And Read Mr. Shalit's Piece When It Was Current The Magistrate Aug 2014 #22

Hillary is part of the Family, she has been for a very long time. I don't know sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #46

You need to read post 33 because your allegations are not supported. nt MADem Aug 2014 #54

I've read dozens of articles on Hillary's association with The Family. You need to read her sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #73

so you believe the 'dozens of articles' but not the very book the articles were based on? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #74

Now you're just being obstreperous. Your misstatements have been challenged, and MADem Aug 2014 #79

She has praised the Family and participated as she has stated, in those Female sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #81

You keep telling people in this thread that she's a MEMBER.That is FALSE-Now you're backtracking. MADem Aug 2014 #85

When did she quit the Family? Do you have a link? I have never seen anything sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #87

How can you 'quit' something you've never been a member of? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #88

I'm glad that we're having this conversation and you provided that great footnote, down to the page MADem Aug 2014 #90

Sorry--you haven't proven your erroneous assertion that she was a "MEMBER." You don't get to MADem Aug 2014 #89

You posted an article saying that she started with them in 1993 and left after 8 years. pnwmom Aug 2014 #69

Do you have a link to say she quit her association with them? Thanks. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #75

Pins dropping is hurting my ears. Please stop the pain. L0oniX Aug 2014 #82

Lol, I don't get all the excitement over this, it is well known that Hillary sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #84

Read post 33 and the pain should end for you (though a new one might begin). MADem Aug 2014 #92

How can she quit when she wasn't a member--as you've been told, and you continue to ignore? nt MADem Aug 2014 #91

I make decisions based on facts, not on anonymous posters on the internet. Hillary sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #106

You haven't provided any facts. You've just provided a rumor that has been proven MADem Aug 2014 #109

You posted that link. Read the first paragraph of the article YOU posted. pnwmom Aug 2014 #100

She was part of the Women's Prayer Cell for a number of years. Then she was included sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #107

And Ted Kennedy "formed alliances" with some "pretty awful" Republicans, too -- pnwmom Aug 2014 #108

I have found this entire exchange very revealing. MADem Aug 2014 #110

What they are is a prosperity cult and those aims will probably make some hay TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #19

Ha! MADem Aug 2014 #52

That was Eisenhower, am I right? sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #23

Links octoberlib Aug 2014 #27

Thanks for the links, very much appreciated sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #28

Let's go to the actual book rather than internet sources from biased writers. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #34

Don't know, don't care, don't want her anyway. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #31

Some more info from Daily Kos MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #35

No, HRC never even met Charles Manson notadmblnd Aug 2014 #36

Since the days of her time as "First Lady".. she's been a faithful member.. 2banon Aug 2014 #53

No, she hasn't. A "friend" is not a "member." Nice try, though a bit ham-handed. MADem Aug 2014 #56

The only article posted in this thread said her association with them ended 13 years ago, in 2001. pnwmom Aug 2014 #70

She has an uncomfortably close association w/them Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #58

Her relationship with them -- whatever it was -- ended in 2001, according to the article. pnwmom Aug 2014 #61

Fair enough Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #62

Also, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, and John Glenn, among others, were "associated" pnwmom Aug 2014 #63

Ted's dead and I am not Al's biggest fan... Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #66

The point is that people like Ted and Al were already members pnwmom Aug 2014 #68

No. Whatever association she had ended in 2001. pnwmom Aug 2014 #67

So let's do a quick review and put it to rest, at least for this thread. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #72

Thank you oldandhappy Aug 2014 #78

another tidbit wyldwolf Aug 2014 #83

Uh oh.... Kennedy and Carter, under the bus? MADem Aug 2014 #94

You. Are. SUPERB. MADem Aug 2014 #93

It doesn't end here. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #96

I vote for "...mislead people on purpose." The question is ... WHY? MADem Aug 2014 #99

Right. Journalists like that are all about the horserace. All about the drama. pnwmom Aug 2014 #102

Great job putting it all together, wyldwolf! Thanks! pnwmom Aug 2014 #101

Gosh! No one's ever heard that before. Iggo Aug 2014 #86

A great Thank you to everyone, who sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #95

Well, some online sites are crap. Raw Story is one of them. Rex Aug 2014 #97

Ted Kennedy was in the same group and he wasn't a RW-religious-wackadoodle either. pnwmom Aug 2014 #103

Yeah none of them seem like RW and if they are/were they hid it well. Rex Aug 2014 #104

Ted Kennedy was one of the major liberals in the Senate. pnwmom Aug 2014 #105