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defacto7

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Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:16 AM

Aug 2014

"who is arming these people? THEY are the ones who don't want peace."

That's the real point of it. Most of the discussions here are caught on the surface and don't see the real enemy. There is no political or military answer to the Middle East issues. It's the ideologies that are the enemy. It's the corporate war machine that undermines peace. Name calling is idiotic and nonsensical; it has nothing to do with the root nature of ancient Middle East hatreds. Those hatreds are based on those ancient systems that thrive on war and destruction and the name calling is a childish tool to create or relieve prejudice.

There is nothing of politics that has ever been able to topple the ideology monster. If people don't deal with the problems of the heart and mind... it keeps going round and round.

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I am going to take my leave from DU for a time: [View all] PCIntern Aug 2014 OP

Take a break and don't forget us. Be well, and know that your opinion will be missed. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #1

Indeed! Please don't be gone too long. calimary Aug 2014 #171

I hope you reconsider, but I do understand. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #2

Nobody has that opinion treestar Aug 2014 #3

Several posts contradict your claim. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #5

Excuse me...it's not the just the posters...it's the jurors Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #68

FWIW, it's possible to alert on jury results. MADem Aug 2014 #228

"not much different from the Nazis. Just missing ovens. " oberliner Aug 2014 #232

You seem surprised ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #234

It is not a mischaracterization. I haven't been posting boston bean Aug 2014 #9

I agree boston JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #50

I read it as people hating someone for thinking Hamas must be destroyed treestar Aug 2014 #97

I know who you're referring to and, IMO, that poster should've been banned. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #133

That's not true. The worst of the posts get alerted on and removed. pnwmom Aug 2014 #21

Even some bans due to anti-semitism. Agschmid Aug 2014 #107

You're wrong. nt pecwae Aug 2014 #24

Thanks for the satire! WinkyDink Aug 2014 #37

I *deplore* the killing of civilians in Gaza. And I'm not especially "pro-Israel" in general. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #49

I've been staying out of it, but I agree with you on all points. I am not supportive of this action Squinch Aug 2014 #55

You've got folks who seem to think Arabs are semi-human savages, and folks who seem to think of Jews nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #59

It's why I stay out. There is a lot of irrationality on both sides. Squinch Aug 2014 #63

Well said...! Surya Gayatri Aug 2014 #74

Without doubt etherealtruth Aug 2014 #158

+100! freshwest Aug 2014 #161

^^^This. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #72

horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #116

You are wrong. 840high Aug 2014 #126

As someone who serves on MIRT. William769 Aug 2014 #147

There have been a half dozen Warshaw ghetto posts. joshcryer Aug 2014 #173

Sorry treestar, PCI is actually right, as awful as it is to see it here. nt Hekate Aug 2014 #212

I'm with you about the Nazi comparisons steve2470 Aug 2014 #4

Peace. onehandle Aug 2014 #6

Being for peace and against 'destroying' other humans is not anti-semitism amuse bouche Aug 2014 #7

Is this anti-Semitism? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #10

Considering some 2/3's of the Jews in Europe were wiped out, "tried" is an odd choice of words. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #52

Thanknfully, that post was hidden Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #100

Me too. It's really no different from posting racial slurs or similar hate speech. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #179

That poster has been PPRed, now. countryjake Aug 2014 #221

Very glad to see that. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #222

Obviously it is to some. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #11

And obviously, some don't know it when they see it. n/t Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #12

Or deny it even though in their hearts, they know it's anti-Semitic. IronGate Aug 2014 #135

Blaming "the Jews" as an entire people for Israeli gov't policy isn't anti-Semitic? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #54

Tell that to Al Fatah, Hezbollah, Hamas---and their dead victims on planes, in schools, in discos, WinkyDink Aug 2014 #39

Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Just saying. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #180

I, too, find the endless, reflexive Nazi comparisons, allusions and analogies ....reprehensible. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #8

Yeah . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #13

It's too bad they aren't Russians. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #14

That isn't true . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #15

cmon fight fight i need a fight i came into this thread promised i could get a fight Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #17

Fighting just for the sake of fighting? another_liberal Aug 2014 #20

Cmon, if you want to throw personal insults at me, I'm sure you can do better than that. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #23

Pardon me . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #28

Forget it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #31

My last sentence? another_liberal Aug 2014 #43

It's a mess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #47

The Israeli Prime Minister is just buying a few more years . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #56

I don't think it's a good plan either. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #62

Depressing as hell all around. I completely agree with you. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #57

my cat's breath smells like cat food. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #18

My cat . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #26

Sure, because I don't have one. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #27

My cat . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #30

Heh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #33

Yes. Just like this one. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #223

on the other hand barbtries Aug 2014 #16

The fact that the dude can't even post a thread signing off for a while Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #19

The dude recently accused both me and Cali of being Hamas supporters... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #32

Sorry. ..that's OTT. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #36

Yeah, it wasn't cool at all... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #46

It doesn't help, that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #51

Damn optomist! Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #65

the players and power brokers are getting very rich from more of the same. barbtries Aug 2014 #143

It's a pretty common tack, sadly Scootaloo Aug 2014 #157

Aw someone didn't like your post. Puglover Aug 2014 #174

here is the alert on you Scoots Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author defacto7 Aug 2014 #215

I dont think any group on DU has a monopoly on hyperbolic bs. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #184

i agree as well. barbtries Aug 2014 #38

I knew some people in the Israeli left in the 90s. They were pretty optimistic about a deal, Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #44

Debate isn't possible when the subject matter is completely irrational. tridim Aug 2014 #104

+1 freshwest Aug 2014 #162

The poster gave specific examples of what he felt was at issue. boston bean Aug 2014 #29

yes i do. barbtries Aug 2014 #34

Here is a specific example I think is an issue LittleBlue Aug 2014 #144

Show me where you deplore the rocket-launching of Hamas. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #40

i deplore the rocket launching of Hamas barbtries Aug 2014 #45

Honestly? First, they should stop firing the rockets. Hear me out. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #60

thank you for your reasonable response. barbtries Aug 2014 #69

I usually stay out of it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #185

my mother-in-law was a victim. barbtries Aug 2014 #189

stop being terrorists TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #109

I'm curious. What does that say about the Palestinian people? n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #122

ok god almighty. barbtries Aug 2014 #138

^ this ^ defacto7 Aug 2014 #217

Excellent post n/t malaise Aug 2014 #141

thank you malaise. barbtries Aug 2014 #142

I understand. I've been on the verge of a similar decision. onenote Aug 2014 #22

I value your opinions, PCIntern. brer cat Aug 2014 #25

I applaud you, PCIntern. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #35

All the best to you, PCIntern. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #41

Oh,PC, sorry to hear it. But it sounds like you put it into perspective. CTyankee Aug 2014 #42

Bye RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #48

I'm not shouting Hurrah JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #53

You missed one... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #58

It may not be bigotry JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #61

Yeah, you only missed one because all the Straights agree that homophobia is very acceptable Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #93

Huh? I wasn't the one making the list. Go complain to the person who did n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #94

wow - glad i missed that thread. barbtries Aug 2014 #146

wow do you ever get the meaning of the term pinkwashing wrong. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #177

Is that the hate toward "gun-humpers," or the act... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #139

For that reason, many have and are taking breaks. Or using Ignore, which some people despise others freshwest Aug 2014 #167

It's been horrific to watch and sickening. sufrommich Aug 2014 #64

I could not agree more calilama Aug 2014 #84

I understand. Not only has blatant anti-Semitism become acceptable, but so has blatant incivlity. ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #66

Israel has done, and is doing, something so reprehensible it shocks the world. randome Aug 2014 #67

I'm horrified, to be sure. phylny Aug 2014 #73

As was our decimation of Iraq. randome Aug 2014 #80

Very wrong, yes. Shocking? Hardly. In any year you have several governments killing this many people stevenleser Aug 2014 #119

I don't blame you hack89 Aug 2014 #70

Well, during your time off, maybe you can take a little time for introspection Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #71

Open Air Prison? Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #79

'Monitors'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #82

Israel controls Gaza's airspace. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #85

I remember when Yasser Arafat International was opened (named). Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #155

Hope you fast for your health instead. They're so many toxic news stories it makes the heart sick! freshwest Aug 2014 #169

Bombed in 2001, not rebuilt. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #193

Thanks for that information, makes one think. Most of have never heard a word of that... freshwest Aug 2014 #168

Despite our past run-in I appreciate your words and regret your leaving as much as I understand it. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #75

Shalom for now. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #76

can we get some links? JaneyVee Aug 2014 #77

Anyone who disagrees with you is an anti-Semite.... marble falls Aug 2014 #78

Don't understand the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism 4dsc Aug 2014 #81

it was a better place w mods. mopinko Aug 2014 #83

we get leave at DU? Enrique Aug 2014 #86

You didn't know about the 'use it or lose it' policy? randome Aug 2014 #88

I'm not a prolific poster madokie Aug 2014 #87

Sorry ... wishing you peace and a quick return to DU etherealtruth Aug 2014 #89

Peace... That's all most of us want. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #90

Israel is not "The Jews"... reACTIONary Aug 2014 #91

Israel says they are 'The Jews'. Therein lies some of the confusion, I think. randome Aug 2014 #99

That may be... reACTIONary Aug 2014 #182

What ridiculous nonsense. mr blur Aug 2014 #92

Most DUers are disgusted by Israel-Nazi comparisons oberliner Aug 2014 #95

I'm sorry that you've found yourself in this situation. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #96

Your voice will be missed. DU will become much smaller. Octafish Aug 2014 #98

I understand completely and agree Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #101

Hurrah. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #102

Your point woud be stronger if you hadn't chosen to include a racist narrative in your OP. redgreenandblue Aug 2014 #103

But Israel SAYS it is so... randome Aug 2014 #114

Concur. madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #105

It's a shame DU has become such a hostile and anti-Democratic environment. Fozzledick Aug 2014 #106

Ditto Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #113

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #115

ever since the creation of the Jury System of roulette based posting ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #118

I can see the community moderation being abandoned or.... steve2470 Aug 2014 #123

What a load of crap. For some it seems complaining about anything Obama does is anti-democratic. n-t Logical Aug 2014 #163

Would you like to buy a clue? Fozzledick Aug 2014 #191

LOL, here is my clue........ Logical Aug 2014 #192

The part that referred to suppression of dissenting views and Democratic values in general Fozzledick Aug 2014 #194

Yeah, it's pretty weird that there are DUers who actually defend the Likud war crimes. DanTex Aug 2014 #190

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #199

+1 King_David Aug 2014 #230

Be well PCIntern. I completely understand. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #108

Equating Likud with the Nazis is just wrong, the apropos comparison is with TransitJohn Aug 2014 #110

I am with you PC. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #111

I have yet to post in an Israel/Palestine thread. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #112

The Israel-->Nazi posts should result in a hide everytime and a PPR for repeated posts/OPs. stevenleser Aug 2014 #117

Steve! That last sentence! Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #120

It's just a dangling participle NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #154

Yes, In was inartfully done in haste. I have edited the post. stevenleser Aug 2014 #156

agreed about the hides nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #124

So you disagree with the Jury system? nt Logical Aug 2014 #164

Agreed. nt BainsBane Aug 2014 #210

"My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me mulsh Aug 2014 #121

I can't say that I blame you, blatant anti-Semitism is rampant here MohRokTah Aug 2014 #125

...^ that 840high Aug 2014 #129

Let's see some evidence please. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #131

I was on a jury for an obvious anti-semitic troll tridim Aug 2014 #150

Probably. But only by those who want to paint it as such to shut off the debate. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #200

Your comment led to an interesting poll Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #233

I must be an anti-Semite too then because while I think Hamas is guilty of murder randys1 Aug 2014 #236

Not anti-semitism. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #237

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #127

PCIntern, I hardly knew ya.... understand your dismay, hope you will return soon, DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #128

"Before removing the mote from thy neighbour's eye, tend to the beam in thine own." Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #130

Ouch. randome Aug 2014 #132

Not unexpectedly... there is more to the story... hlthe2b Aug 2014 #137

I will miss. Fully understand. 840high Aug 2014 #134

Bye, but fortunately you are in a minority around here cpwm17 Aug 2014 #136

+infinity CrawlingChaos Aug 2014 #195

Thank you, that's one of the best compliments I've received here on DU cpwm17 Aug 2014 #196

I've seen the opposite. Here is a jury I served on where the poster advocates ethnic cleansing LittleBlue Aug 2014 #140

Please don't stay gone long. William769 Aug 2014 #145

You will be missed. Stay well COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #148

The world isn't believing Israel's lies anymore. 4now Aug 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #151

RW techniques? AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #152

Killing Palestinians is not an intrinsic part - or ANY part - of Jewishness Scootaloo Aug 2014 #153

Got it. You can't call people anti-semites, so you're taking your ball and going home. Bye. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #159

Very sensitive. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #165

This was alerted on and lost 1-6. nt Logical Aug 2014 #172

Results of the alert (thanks to a little birdie, otherwise I wouldn't even have known): Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #178

That sounds about right amuse bouche Aug 2014 #181

Thank you Garthem Aug 2014 #160

I was just having this conversation the other day - the ugliness and anti-semitic comments I hear jillan Aug 2014 #166

No one is blind to Hamas, however, it is hard to ignore dead or dying children on tv. It is hard to Pisces Aug 2014 #170

I just came back after an absence of a year-plus hifiguy Aug 2014 #176

Well, there does seem to be some house-cleaning octoberlib Aug 2014 #183

Wow! He was a member since 2004. Kaleva Aug 2014 #186

Good. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #187

I saw that second post and was amazed. I'd read some of his posts and thought he was smart. freshwest Aug 2014 #188

I agree. It was vile. octoberlib Aug 2014 #201

I don't blame you... SidDithers Aug 2014 #197

Using Nazis in referring to Israel is just the epitome of OTT steve2470 Aug 2014 #198

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza whereisjustice Aug 2014 #202

You're not alone. n/t Skip Intro Aug 2014 #203

Lame PC. Especially from you. nt 7wo7rees Aug 2014 #204

Drama much? Your hyperbole is laughable and disrespectful. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #205

Both things are true BainsBane Aug 2014 #208

No, both things are exaggerations seen through the eyes of a true believer. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #211

YES! Too many people can't walk & chew gum at the same time. alp227 Aug 2014 #225

I too have been disturbed by the antisemitism BainsBane Aug 2014 #206

You do what you gotta do. Rex Aug 2014 #207

I will miss you PCIntern. It's gone toxic here, and not just on Israel. Hekate Aug 2014 #209

"Hamas must be rooted out and destroyed" Hissyspit Aug 2014 #213

well, bye. mwrguy Aug 2014 #214

Take a break, I do from time to time, we all need it. mackerel Aug 2014 #216

Something For Your Consideration... During Your Break... WillyT Aug 2014 #218

"Like pornography, I know it when I see it." But it is still protected free speech because McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #219

These were the good old days.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #220

Okay. LWolf Aug 2014 #224

i agree entirely. we need more posts like this, not fewer. unblock Aug 2014 #226

I haven't been following your commentaries on that particular topic. MADem Aug 2014 #227

Don't blame you Come back soon please. nt King_David Aug 2014 #229

Please come back when you feel you can. murielm99 Aug 2014 #231

I always read your posts Jane Austin Aug 2014 #235