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51. Yeah...the Cheneys are pissed, too. Tells me ALL I need to know. nt

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Aug 2014 OP

Where did he say that? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #1

I honestly don't know where you're seeing that the president thinks these 'folks' should be charged bigtree Aug 2014 #9

That's not what I asked... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #10

Ha...you got him on semantics. zeemike Aug 2014 #14

It's not semantics. He never said what the OP is saying he said. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #96

Well it is the way I read the definition of it. zeemike Aug 2014 #100

Semantics works if there is some legitimate intent to what you're saying. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #102

With what group?...the ones who are calling for Bush accountability? zeemike Aug 2014 #114

I'm sorry bigtree Aug 2014 #16

His statement was a pre-emptive assault on what he knows is going to happen. We 'sanctimonious sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #45

Criminal penalties, among other things, serve as deterrents to JDPriestly Aug 2014 #47

Well, torture is against the Geneva Conventions. All of our Military are supposedly sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #59

I agree. If we stand for human rights, we have to make sure our actions are consistent with JDPriestly Aug 2014 #86

Torture is criminal under the War Crimes Act and under the Torture Act. Vattel Aug 2014 #134

Thanks. I did not know that. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #149

You're lecturing someone that has clouded vision. He like some others here appear to have decided rhett o rick Aug 2014 #85

Prosecutions wont happen though as those in power it seem in this world rarely cstanleytech Aug 2014 #88

I wouldn't count on that. We are in a very dark period in this country right now, it's not sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #142

You're completely off the rails. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #97

Your unabashed worship of the President is clouding your judgement and apparently causing rhett o rick Aug 2014 #66

I don't need to provide an argument. The President never said it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #98

fuck, just answer the question I asked bigtree Aug 2014 #105

I'm not going to answer any question you ask until you provide a quote for your lie. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #106

you'd be responding to what the President said, not my words bigtree Aug 2014 #116

Why would I want to interpret his words? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #120

I dunno bigtree Aug 2014 #125

I am concerned with you putting words in the President's mouth... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #127

got that. responded to it. now answer the question bigtree Aug 2014 #128

Everyone - including himself. Hence the 'us'. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #129

thanks for the answer, Drunken Irishman bigtree Aug 2014 #133

He was probably referring to ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #162

So if you don't like the interpretation that most in this thread believe, give us your interpretatio rhett o rick Aug 2014 #143

The President used 'us'. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #147

"Did Obama change anything Friday? No." Ah hell yes he did. He soft played our war crimes. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #150

No he didn't. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #153

The torturers were patriots MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #18

Yeah pretty weak. Rex Aug 2014 #35

And these "patriots"/torturers are walking the streets of America. I would like to see rhett o rick Aug 2014 #67

Depends on how you define "normal." malthaussen Aug 2014 #76

Ok, I agree with most of what you say. I would say that we need to weight the risks rhett o rick Aug 2014 #84

Like, say, an extension of blowing up frogs just for the fun and sheer enjoyment of it indepat Aug 2014 #87

^ nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #19

There you go again . . . markpkessinger Aug 2014 #104

My thoughts exactly - he's addressing something that people have been talking about.... George II Aug 2014 #111

That's exactly how I saw it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #112

You are painting with too broad a brush Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #146

I don't think 'all' lost it... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #156

Doesn't say much for his being a constitutional scholar, does it? MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #119

Sure it does. And it says more about him being an AMERICAN, and to the dismay of many.... George II Aug 2014 #123

Those things you just sited were disconnected... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #126

MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #2

Well, NOT holding Bush/Cheney accountable allows Pres Obama to justify postulater Aug 2014 #3

Why would a politician want to enforce a law that involved himself? rock Aug 2014 #6

Nor be held accountable himself Deny and Shred Aug 2014 #135

Judge not lest ye be judged, amandabeech Aug 2014 #161

The Cheneys are also angry about what Obama said. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #4

the Cheney's were upset that he called the practices 'torture' bigtree Aug 2014 #12

Really? That's what you got? "hmm". Pretty weak argument. Are you defending torture? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #68

Nice profile picture. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #69

LOL. Look over there at Sen Warren. How about those Yankees? Do you accept that torture rhett o rick Aug 2014 #72

Bush/Cheney did a lot of stuff I don't accept. A lot of it criminal. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #74

It's not a surprise that you aren't going to be angry at the president. I doubt there is anything rhett o rick Aug 2014 #91

well-said Vattel Aug 2014 #107

Another sanctimonious here (nt) malokvale77 Aug 2014 #5

OOH! ooh! Count me, too! Me, the sanctimonious one!..... lastlib Aug 2014 #22

And another. pangaia Aug 2014 #99

Because torture wasn't illegal, it was a "mistake" BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #7

An UNDERSTANDABLE mistake, BrotherIvan. sibelian Aug 2014 #56

Oh my, BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #78

Imagine their GUILTY FEELINGS. sibelian Aug 2014 #80

Easy to be torture free when not afraid. It is exactly when afraid to avoid it on point Aug 2014 #8

Well I guess I will just have to be sanctimonious then. zeemike Aug 2014 #11

That is yet another reason why we must become signatories to the International Criminal Court BainsBane Aug 2014 #13

I agree. Rex Aug 2014 #37

Look! Squirrel! kentuck Aug 2014 #15

apologies for CIA, apologies for NSA, apologies for Wall Street fraud, apologies for fracking whereisjustice Aug 2014 #17

+ a million nationalize the fed Aug 2014 #21

sincere welcome to DU grasswire Aug 2014 #36

+100000000 woo me with science Aug 2014 #50

"The whole damned country better get sanctimonious soon, or we will have permanently lost this natio Demeter Aug 2014 #94

It just goes on and on.. sendero Aug 2014 #53

Plus a quadrillion... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #121

The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or tortured a few folks tularetom Aug 2014 #20

For those that didn't get the reference... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #29

Spot on! Great example... ReRe Aug 2014 #38

Oh, I got it! MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #122

Well done. To further paraphrase Deny and Shred Aug 2014 #137

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #24

Free shots everytime Obama uses the word "folks" when downplaying torture, bank fraud, whereisjustice Aug 2014 #25

Sanctomonious? Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #26

I shouldn't feel "too sanctimonious"... Alkene Aug 2014 #27

I believe in the First Amendment. Except, uh, when it's speech that personally offends me. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #28

Even during world wars when the fate of the entire nation is on the line?... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #30

The link proves the point RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #32

Now, now, is this being sensible? gratuitous Aug 2014 #31

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #33

Thank you, DeSwiss! n/t ReRe Aug 2014 #39

De nada. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #40

Sorry... ReRe Aug 2014 #43

Lover of truth! {Latin} n/t DeSwiss Aug 2014 #44

The truth is hard here, DeSwiss... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #124

sounds about right. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #55

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #34

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #41

While whistleblowers... Bohemianwriter Aug 2014 #42

I've got a sneaking suspicion that he is powerless to make the move if he wanted to... Hulk Aug 2014 #46

ah yes, Obama as impotent leader, not a king, powers bigger than him blah blah blah whereisjustice Aug 2014 #48

Perhaps. sendero Aug 2014 #54

Poor lad. sibelian Aug 2014 #57

I think it's just politics BuckeyeBrad Aug 2014 #63

I agree loyalsister Aug 2014 #89

well, consider the marketing campaign in favor of it and the dearth of actual information bigtree Aug 2014 #109

Dunno, the GOP equates a President with "unitary executive". nt NorthCarolina Aug 2014 #79

Some days I'm ashamed to have supported this man. Scuba Aug 2014 #49

Yeah...the Cheneys are pissed, too. Tells me ALL I need to know. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #51

I would expect more from you to go to "If the Cheney's don't like it, it must be good." rhett o rick Aug 2014 #70

rhett, let me be clear here. msanthrope Aug 2014 #101

I was really hoping to get a decent argument out those of you that seem to be rhett o rick Aug 2014 #139

Neither the President, or I think torture is justified. Wow...the word "folks" really msanthrope Aug 2014 #140

Not even close. Why don't you argue your point and stop trying to tell me what my point is? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #144

I made my point. Torture is never justified. It's really that simple. Like the President, I can msanthrope Aug 2014 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Aug 2014 #151

K&R. Superb post. woo me with science Aug 2014 #52

If he actually said that, I disagree. nt ladjf Aug 2014 #58

A man who used to stand on stages and explain that his sort of people were 'Sanctified by God' Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #60

In the USA torturers of animals can get Felonies, these politician torturers should NOT be immune! Sunlei Aug 2014 #61

The article is great. K&R and all that but bottom line this shit is depressing riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #62

I know bigtree Aug 2014 #65

So, he is saying that he is a War Criminal now too, in regards to Iraq? PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #64

We must remember that the torturers are "patriots" and under a lot of pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #71

I was definitely afraid after 9/11 malthaussen Aug 2014 #73

we knew who was in power and we could see Bush sucking it all in bigtree Aug 2014 #75

Oh, god, yes. malthaussen Aug 2014 #77

Cheney probably has five to ten years left on this earth. And Dubya might have twenty. The same totodeinhere Aug 2014 #81

Remember when a President was toppled for simple breaking and entering, and the subsequent cover-up? A Simple Game Aug 2014 #82

it is still not possible to clean the CIA/NSA/MIC up, and won't be as long certainot Aug 2014 #83

NEVER accuse the Left of allowing this shit! Demeter Aug 2014 #95

More rhetoric to keep liberal values out of the conversation. gtar100 Aug 2014 #90

Well said. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #92

I hope no one is surprised by this. Don Siegelman languishes in prison and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #93

There is a legal maxim so old that the original is in Latin Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #103

Oh what delicious irony it would be dickthegrouch Aug 2014 #108

I'm sanctimonious as shit about it and want to see ex-government officals at the Hague.... mike_c Aug 2014 #110

Count me in Fiendish Thingy Aug 2014 #113

I support the Fifth and Eighth Amendments - no torture for confession OR punishment derby378 Aug 2014 #115

And so, what if "we" faced our role in torture and "we" still got all sanctimonious? MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #117

We had over 50 warning from our security apparatus PRIOR to the 9/11 event... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #118

If he had said "After 9/11 we tortured some kittycats", well then people would be outraged! Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #130

How to construct a strawman. NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #131

Well stated Zorro Aug 2014 #136

I am glad the President informed us about all of this. Vattel Aug 2014 #138

Thanks for your comments ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #141

I appreciate your deconstruction of his comments bigtree Aug 2014 #148

How to construct a strawman ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #154

oh bigtree Aug 2014 #158

Exactly. The outrage train. freshwest Aug 2014 #155

It's always on time. NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #157

I have a video about that by Chris Rock. But you've probably seen it. And a link... freshwest Aug 2014 #159

I suppose I get a little tired of people telling me what the president thinks bhikkhu Aug 2014 #132

... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #152

Go to sleep now! freshwest Aug 2014 #160