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Uncle Joe

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39. I believe this column which was also a D.U. thread by backscatter best answers your question
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 03:03 PM
Dec 2011

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10162122

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/20-5

"This Bastardized Libertarianism Makes 'Freedom' an Instrument of Oppression


Right-wing libertarianism recognizes few legitimate constraints on the power to act, regardless of the impact on the lives of others. In the UK it is forcefully promoted by groups like the TaxPayers' Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Policy Exchange. Their concept of freedom looks to me like nothing but a justification for greed.

So why have we been been so slow to challenge this concept of liberty? I believe that one of the reasons is as follows. The great political conflict of our age – between neocons and the millionaires and corporations they support on one side, and social justice campaigners and environmentalists on the other – has been mischaracterized as a clash between negative and positive freedoms. These freedoms were most clearly defined by Isaiah Berlin in his essay of 1958, Two Concepts of Liberty. It is a work of beauty: reading it is like listening to a gloriously crafted piece of music. I will try not to mangle it too badly.

Put briefly and crudely, negative freedom is the freedom to be or to act without interference from other people. Positive freedom is freedom from inhibition: it's the power gained by transcending social or psychological constraints. Berlin explained how positive freedom had been abused by tyrannies, particularly by the Soviet Union. It portrayed its brutal governance as the empowerment of the people, who could achieve a higher freedom by subordinating themselves to a collective single will.

Rightwing libertarians claim that greens and social justice campaigners are closet communists trying to resurrect Soviet conceptions of positive freedom. In reality, the battle mostly consists of a clash between negative freedoms."



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We should do a clearinghouse thread on Ron Paul'isms. n/t Zalatix Dec 2011 #1
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Tansy Gold says Ron Paul is putz. A monumentally stupid putz at that. n/t Tansy_Gold Dec 2011 #3
+1000 MH1 Dec 2011 #29
Please don't insult putz's like that! madinmaryland Dec 2011 #46
Ron Paul talking to Alex Jones - that's enough to make your head hurt Morning Dew Dec 2011 #4
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you're calling DUers "paranoid" for discussing what Ron Paul says? CreekDog Dec 2011 #35
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The only evidence I would have are The2ndWheel Dec 2011 #37
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The roads are a debt yet to be repaid The2ndWheel Dec 2011 #42
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I wonder if Libertarians acknowledge climate science as a valid coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #44
The only regulation that could help would be The2ndWheel Dec 2011 #30
I believe this column which was also a D.U. thread by backscatter best answers your question Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #39
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Property rights for people or companies? LiberalFighter Dec 2011 #38
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Ron Paul is one of the biggest hoaxes of all time.... WCGreen Dec 2011 #49
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