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SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:53 AM Aug 2014

Homeopaths vs. Ebola virus hemorrhagic fever [View all]

Homeopathy is quackery. There, I’ve fulfilled my normal requirement to start out all posts that I write having to do with homeopathy with a simple, declarative, and, most of all, true statement about what homeopathy is. I also like to mention briefly homeopathy’s two major “laws.” The first is the Law of Similars, a totally pseudoscientific “law” without basis in science that proclaims that the way to treat a symptom is to use a substance that causes that symptom in healthy people. The second “law,” of course, is the Law of Infinitesimals, which further states that the more you dilute a remedy the more potent it becomes. This leads homeopaths to dilute remedies to 30C (C = one hundred-fold dilution) and beyond. Given that a 30C dilution equals a 10^60-fold dilution and Avogadro’s number is only approximately 6 x 10^23, such homeopathic remedies are unlikely to contain a single molecule of the original substance, other than perhaps contamination carried over from one dilution to the next. Either way, homeopathy is basically water or ethanol or whatever diluent is used to dilute the substance, and any effects from homeopathy are placebo or nonspecific effects. Indeed, I like to think of homeopathy as the Rorschach test of quackery in that quacks see in it whatever their nature leads them to see.

I normally don’t blog about Facebook memes (although I have been guilty on occasion of spreading them around), but the other day I saw this a screenshot of this Tweet:



Upon seeing this, I thought: Good point! Why aren’t there homeopaths trying to treat Ebola victims in Africa? After all, there are, unfortunately, homeopaths out there treating AIDS victims in Africa, a truly terrifying incursion of quackery into Third World countries.

First off, does anyone remember Homeopaths Without Borders? It’s not a joke. (Well, it is a joke, actually, but Homeopaths Without Borders does nonetheless exist.) There really are homeopaths out there who, thinking themselves capable of doing anything more than getting in the way of real doctors and rescue workers, for example in Haiti after the earthquake of 2010. A year and a half later, the results were not exactly what I would call a smashing success, although homeopaths bent logic, language, and medicine to portray it as such. Homeopaths have also claimed to be able to treat malaria, although malaria isn’t nearly as “sexy” a disease (i.e., frequently in the media) as HIV/AIDS or Ebola.

The meme made me curious though? Is Rayne correct? Is it even completely fair? After all, even the Peace Corps is temporarily removing volunteers from West Africa in the face of the spreading Ebola outbreak. On the other hand, While it’s true that Homeopaths Without Borders appears not to be rushing to the areas in Africa where there are currently Ebola outbreaks and hundreds of fatalities, what about other homeopaths? It’s not as though homeopaths don’t claim to be able to treat or even cure Ebola, as you’ll see.


Much more at link: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/08/01/homeopaths-and-ebola-virus-hemorrhagic-fever/


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strawman = logical fallacy KurtNYC Aug 2014 #1
What's the strawman? THEY claim they can cure Ebola. DetlefK Aug 2014 #2
You are kidding, right.....? etherealtruth Aug 2014 #7
As soon as someone goes the 'strawman' route, I tune them out for using it like a slur. freshwest Aug 2014 #43
As usual ;-) etherealtruth Aug 2014 #45
What strawman? zappaman Aug 2014 #11
You're asking a homeopath for an explanation of how something works rather than Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #15
Defending homeopathy using accusations of logic fail? Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #65
you aren't responding to anybody-- snooper2 Aug 2014 #90
K+R..... infectious disease is nothing to trifle with, as anyone who knows someone who is DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #3
These idiots (homepathic "practioners") and their defenders .... etherealtruth Aug 2014 #4
But but but but... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #5
And PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #27
Crimson and clover... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #29
And Medicines Have Chemicals In Them!!! Wolf Frankula Aug 2014 #84
Remember "Head On?" Archae Aug 2014 #6
really dsc Aug 2014 #87
The best commercials, though... SidDithers Aug 2014 #89
Viral Hemorrhagic fever is not so uncommon. Rex Aug 2014 #8
Not if someone has access to a hospital Warpy Aug 2014 #52
True, I know there is speculation that they brought back the infected Rex Aug 2014 #85
"Essential Oils For The Win!" Brickbat Aug 2014 #9
Thanks for posting. pintobean Aug 2014 #10
"The super tiny penetration made me laugh." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #17
little baby jackhammers all working in unison, go team, on the other hand, there are some drug trial DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #28
I may have seen your work. pintobean Aug 2014 #39
During the super tiny penetration Treant Aug 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Eugenian Aug 2014 #20
Whoa that's quite a claim! "kill viral infections in 12-48 hours". Avalux Aug 2014 #21
I have a friend who sells essential oils... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #30
To a point Treant Aug 2014 #38
You are correct... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #42
Essential oils can be toxic in sufficient dose and concentration Drahthaardogs Aug 2014 #44
Of course they can... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #55
Dr Bronner's soap will kill the shit out of ants in your kitchen Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #46
And orange oil works wonders for cleaning bongs... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #53
With those sorts of margins Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #63
Heh... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #75
I am waiting for someone to suggest... 3catwoman3 Aug 2014 #12
Why aren't the faithful praying it away? nt valerief Aug 2014 #13
I was thinking how very fucking odd to link scorn for homeopathy to Ebola - then I read this - djean111 Aug 2014 #14
Are you posting this as an example of how fucking ridiculous naturalnews is?...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #18
Are you saying that what they reported is not true? djean111 Aug 2014 #24
Holy fuck. You really are using naturalnews as if it were a legitimate source... SidDithers Aug 2014 #26
Okay, here is something from the tekmira webaite. djean111 Aug 2014 #32
How DARE a drug company try to find a drug to treat a disease!!! The SHAME, the SHAME!!! CAG Aug 2014 #48
That is not what I was saying, and you know it. What bothers me is that djean111 Aug 2014 #50
This may help etherealtruth Aug 2014 #51
If NaturalNews reported it Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #31
Confused about natural news? zappaman Aug 2014 #36
I wouldn't send a Chiropractor to an ebola clinic Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #16
If you read at the links there are "homeopathic practioners" etherealtruth Aug 2014 #19
Snake venom is the worst idea for treating Ebola ever! And the freshwest Aug 2014 #47
Homeopathy is 100% bullshit. Iggo Aug 2014 #22
Actual Bull poo would probably cure more things than an average homeopath "cure" CAG Aug 2014 #49
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #54
I see you are studying at the Library again. William769 Aug 2014 #56
"Studying"??? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #57
Good point. William769 Aug 2014 #59
"Mental masturbation" is the term I use. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #76
I suppose she gets pleasure out of it. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #78
One would hope that one would not persist for so long in something that was not giving pleasure. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #79
Or has a thing for rejection. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #80
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #58
even if there is no real remedy in them? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #60
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #64
... William769 Aug 2014 #61
Perhaps you should read downthread... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #62
Due to the lack of any approved protocols, Ebola is basically treated with the "shotgun method" BlueEye Aug 2014 #23
Any good Homeopathic practitioner knows RoccoR5955 Aug 2014 #25
Any homeopathic practitioner Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #33
Homeopathy has to be separated out because there is essentially no active NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #34
Nobody is arguing that many plants contain agents COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #35
It works in conjunction with "modern medical practices"? arcane1 Aug 2014 #37
'Good homeopathic practitioner'? GoneOffShore Aug 2014 #41
So, I guess that those of you who do not think that alternative medicine works RoccoR5955 Aug 2014 #66
There's a big big difference between "natural" and homeopathic. hobbit709 Aug 2014 #73
Do they have degrees? NuclearDem Aug 2014 #77
Currently nothing works for Ebola. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #67
The mortality rate with the current outbreak etherealtruth Aug 2014 #68
There is still no known effective treatment. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #69
There is no cure etherealtruth Aug 2014 #81
Hmmm... Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #70
I can fucking guarantee you that "fuck it, anything goes" at Emory doesn't include homeopathy... SidDithers Aug 2014 #71
Touché etherealtruth Aug 2014 #72
It however does include a "serum" that had only one dose, or was it two, Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #74
The serum was probably prepared from blood of a recovered person. Avalux Aug 2014 #82
Thread reported OriginalGeek Aug 2014 #83
This thread needs a dose of Mitchell and Webb progressoid Aug 2014 #86
Interview w/ Dr. Luc Montagnier, Nobel Laureate Surya Gayatri Aug 2014 #88
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