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Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:07 PM Aug 2014

Pres. Obama says torture happened because we were 'afraid,' ignoring those who stood up against it [View all]

from the ACLU, April 27, 2011:

President Obama has disavowed torture, but he has been reluctant to examine the Bush administration’s abusive interrogation practices. By refusing to examine the past, we betray the public servants who risked so much to reverse what they knew was a disastrous and shameful course.

As Jameel Jaffer and Larry Siems wrote in a recent op-ed, "Those who stayed true to our values and stood up against cruelty are worthy of a wide range of civilian and military commendations, up to and including the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

The New York Times agreed: "This modest awards proposal has lately assumed a degree of urgency. After the killing of Osama bin Laden, some - like John Yoo, the Bush Justice Department lawyer who twisted the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions to excuse the inexcusable - argued that waterboarding and other abuses were both proper and necessary."

Top officials of the Bush Administration approved the torture and abuse of prisoners, but brave men and women throughout the military and the government challenged the policies, called out abuses, and worked to end the use of coerced evidence. These courageous individuals should be honored for their integrity and their commitment to real American values. So far, though, our official history has honored only those who approved torture, not those who rejected it.

By refusing to acknowledge the courage of those who said 'no' to torture, we betray the public servants who risked so much to reverse what they knew was a disastrous and shameful course. Honoring these people would encourage the best in our public servants, now and in the future.


Unsung Heroes

Sgt. Joe Darby is former Army Reservist best known as the Abu Ghraib whistleblower. Then 24-year-old Darby was serving in Iraq when he discovered a set of photographs showing other members of his company torturing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison. The discovery anguished him, but ultimately he burned the photos onto a CD and delivered it with an anonymous letter to the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command. Celebrated by some, and threatened with death by others, Darby has said that he “never regretted for one second” turning in the photographs.

Former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora led an effort inside the Department of Defense to oppose legal theories put forward by Justice Department lawyers that justified the use of coercive interrogation techniques. Mora argued that the techniques were ineffective and unlawful.

Col. Morris Davis, an Air Force officer and lawyer, was appointed to serve as the third Chief Prosecutor in the Guantánamo military commissions system. Col. Davis made clear that he would never permit the introduction of evidence extracted through waterboarding and insisted that the proceedings be transparent. Col. Davis resigned from his post in 2008.

Lt. Col. V. Stuart Couch, a veteran Marine pilot and prosecutor, volunteered to return to active duty to help achieve justice for a fellow Marine who had been co-pilot on the second plane that struck the World Trade Center. A self-identified evangelical Christian, Couch ultimately decided he could not seek a conviction based on statements obtained through torture, stating that the abuse violated basic religious precepts of the dignity of every human being.

Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld was the lead prosecutor in the military commissions case against detainee Mohammed Jawad, who was a teenager when he was captured in Afghanistan. After learning about the abuse and torture that Jawad was subject to in custody, Vandeveld decided he could no longer continue with the case. He later filed an affidavit in support of the child prisoner’s case, referring to himself as Jawad's “former prosecutor and now-repentant persecutor.”

Former CIA Inspector General John Helgersen wrote a meticulously researched report documenting some of the abuses that had taken place in CIA prisons, questioning the legality of the policies that had led to the abuse, and characterizing some of the agency’s activities as inhumane.


So far, our official history has honored only those who approved torture, not the courageous men and women who rejected it.

Top officials of the Bush Administration approved the torture of prisoners, but brave men and women throughout the military and the government challenged the policies, called out abuses, and worked to end the use of coerced evidence. These courageous individuals should be honored for their integrity and their commitment to real American values.



Copyright 2011 American Civil Liberties Union.
Originally posted by the ACLU at https://www.aclu.org/national-security/acts-courage-against-torture

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Neocons circling wagons, covering asses... n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #1
Thank you for posting this pscot Aug 2014 #2
The Bush Administration had the ability to know what was torture and what was not, they choose Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #3
Salutes to those individuals. malthaussen Aug 2014 #4
it happened b/c the people doing it knew there would be zero consequences leftyohiolib Aug 2014 #5
Excellent idea. We should honor those unsung heroes, especially Joe Darby. nt SunSeeker Aug 2014 #6
Top officials of the Bush Administration approved the torture of prisoners mrdmk Aug 2014 #7
No excuse for torture, Mr. President rickyhall Aug 2014 #8
Its Shameful warrant46 Aug 2014 #37
Not "we." THEY. Why would Obama conflate us with Neocon idiots? DirkGently Aug 2014 #9
Oh, those scolds? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #10
Those bastards! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #44
It seems that as soon as Democrats take power... kentuck Aug 2014 #11
It's called cowardice. DrBulldog Aug 2014 #17
I think it would more accurately called an "arrangement". Enthusiast Aug 2014 #38
That and "complicit" BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #42
I think it is part of both. It is certainly easier to rationalize "going along" if you are a coward. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #58
Well, when it comes to defending their country in a situation where they might get their ass shot tularetom Aug 2014 #43
Precisely. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #45
Another name that should be featured in the OP BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #12
Beware when an organization picks you as the person to 'find out what really happened'. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #22
thanks for the addition bigtree Aug 2014 #53
The International Criminal Court at the Hague can Cyrano Aug 2014 #13
If the leader of the Democratic Party apologizes for torturers, then the Party has lost its soul BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #14
+1! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #33
PLUS ONE, a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #35
"if torture is not a line in the sand, then I don't know what is." Enthusiast Aug 2014 #36
We cannot be Hypocrites BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #40
+ another Scuba Aug 2014 #56
And thus the biggest fraidy-cat of them all is ... DrBulldog Aug 2014 #15
Glad to see people talking about this - even if the dems TBF Aug 2014 #16
I wasn't afraid. Iggo Aug 2014 #18
Me neither Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #25
There's a word for that. Iggo Aug 2014 #26
I wasn't either. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #34
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #19
if evidence of torture was released as it was happening, the Snowden haters would have been whereisjustice Aug 2014 #20
kick and rec for incredible relevance...and sadness. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #21
but recognizing the real heroes shows up the torturers were deem merely overzealous in their MisterP Aug 2014 #23
"the real heroes" ...correct! G_j Aug 2014 #39
what Obama said is in fact more insidious than "they were skeert"--it's saying MisterP Aug 2014 #46
Rewards go to the mediocre and to the malicious, while the excellent and the courageous are Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #24
anyone can strive for justice, it takes a special kind of person to justify torture whereisjustice Aug 2014 #28
Yep. Helluva job, Brownie, and suchlike. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #50
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. whereisjustice Aug 2014 #27
We have seen it played out right before our eyes. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #32
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #29
DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #30
There are probably a couple of other names that could be added to the list of those Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #31
+1 BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #41
agreed bigtree Aug 2014 #54
It wasn't fear... sendero Aug 2014 #47
The fear was discovering how many Democratic pols backed it and holding them accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #48
Torture didn't happen because *we* were afraid. winter is coming Aug 2014 #49
I agree with you. Torture is a popular tool for tyrants. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #57
laws exist to govern behavior and set standards in precisely those circumstances.... mike_c Aug 2014 #51
Bush and Obama seem to think that cowardice is a good excuse. Vattel Aug 2014 #52
» bigtree Aug 2014 #55
The media is complicit in rendering aid to torture apologists. nilesobek Aug 2014 #59
Prosecution isn't happening because he's still afraid. n/t Orsino Aug 2014 #60
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