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BlueMTexpat

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96. I have long admired your pithy statements,
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

Magistrate, and will likely continue to do so for the most part. But there are indeed some principles that are considered absolute in international law and practice, whether you or I believe them to be so or not.

Do you also consider the ICRC to be in error? The ICRC is, among other things, internationally recognized as the "keeper" of International Humanitarian Law (IHL - aka the "Laws of War&quot and takes that position very seriously. It must also remain neutral in a conflict situation in order to be able to provide services during that conflict.

From the ICRC website giving a brief overview of international law on the conduct of hostilities:

...

The general principles are enshrined in the Hague Convention of 1907 and the 1949 Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols of 1977. But there are a series of other treaties covering specific issues, particularly in the field of weapons. In 2005 the ICRC published a major study on the extensive body of customary international humanitarian law, which is binding on all States.

The central principle of distinction runs through all the law relating to the conduct of hostilities. Indiscriminate military action is prohibited. All sides in a conflict must distinguish between legitimate military targets on the one hand and civilians and civilian objects on the other.

Deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime. All sides must take measures to separate as far as possible military targets from population centres. While it is accepted that civilian casualties may be sustained in situations where military targets are attacked, both sides are required to take whatever measures possible to minimize injury and death among civilians, and damage to civilian objects. If an attack is expected to cause "collateral civilian damages" that are excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, it must be cancelled or suspended.


More at http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/conduct-hostilities/overview-conduct-of-hostilities.htm

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their Additional Protocols http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/geneva-conventions/index.jsp

The ICRC also maintains a database on Customary International Humanitarian Law, i.e., "rules that come from 'a general practice accepted as law' and that exist independent of treaty law."

Customary IHL continues to be relevant in today’s armed conflicts for two main reasons. The first is that, while some States have not ratified important treaty law, they remain nonetheless bound by rules of customary law. The second reason is the relative weakness of treaty law governing non-international armed conflicts – those that involve armed groups and usually take place within the boundaries of one country.


More at http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/customary-law/overview-customary-law.htm

The Customary IHL index can be found at http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/treaties-customary-law/customary-law/index.jsp for anyone wishing to know more about the matter.

We are not talking domestic practice, i.e., negligence to a criminal degree as such would be considered in a US court. We are talking about international law and practice, where I seem to be decidedly in the mainstream.

I am taking up much too much space on this board and will not post in re this OP any further.

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At this point in time, IronGate Aug 2014 #1
You should probably tune in to Sean Hannity then. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #2
I think he may be him.....displays all the symptoms. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #4
I've noticed that too. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #6
I noticed that too...some liberals are in lockstep with Fox News...enough said. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #7
And those handful of pro-Likud... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #9
We've gotten a flood of low post count types LittleBlue Aug 2014 #67
Wow, just because I joined on 4/5/2014, I'm a troll? IronGate Aug 2014 #70
Weren't you a low post count type at one time also? IronGate Aug 2014 #72
Post count is highly overrated. Now when it comes to being on ignore you have truly DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #77
Uh oh, look out, IronGate Aug 2014 #78
Yes I know, I'm shaking in my keyboard right now. I have no opinion on what is going on in the ME DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #80
I can agree with you that it's wrong on all levels. IronGate Aug 2014 #81
We should stone them all and by that I mean let them light up the peace pipe. n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #82
Hell, I'll supply the peace pipe if you supply the contents. IronGate Aug 2014 #83
You DEA or CIA? on edit to say I'M KIDDING of course. n/t DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #84
See, here we go LittleBlue Aug 2014 #86
Nor does claiming to be a progressive calilama Aug 2014 #46
If that's what helps you sleep at night, then you have my permission to believe that. IronGate Aug 2014 #13
I cannot begin to express the depth of my gratitude ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #32
You're more than welcome. IronGate Aug 2014 #34
The iron gate to your head ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #35
Insults. IronGate Aug 2014 #36
No, insults would be wasted. This was an observation grounded ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #37
Grounded in facts? IronGate Aug 2014 #52
Unlike you who cannot even find simple facts to support your arguments intaglio Aug 2014 #74
Oh I've provided simple facts when needed to support my view. IronGate Aug 2014 #76
My, you do seem to be easily offended intaglio Aug 2014 #85
No thanks, I can't even stomach the sight of him IronGate Aug 2014 #10
That is a very strong charge. /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #5
Says the guy who loudly proclaims that whatever Israel does, he "supports it to the hilt"? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #8
At this point, I don't believe a fucking word spoken by any Israeli representative... Spazito Aug 2014 #11
not unlike the time that UN inspector claimed there weren't any WMDs in Iraq magical thyme Aug 2014 #14
What a shock..there are assholes in Israel calilama Aug 2014 #50
where did I defend their hate? magical thyme Aug 2014 #53
Perhaps it is simply that the UN believes in a Rule of Law, i.e., BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #21
So the 'UN" was lying the first 3 times they said they found rockets in their schools? IronGate Aug 2014 #23
If official UN spokespersons did say that, then BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #25
It was an official "UN" official that did say that. IronGate Aug 2014 #26
Please provide a url to support BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #31
Here. IronGate Aug 2014 #33
World Tribune.com content partners..... Segami Aug 2014 #38
I should have known that y'all would not believe it. IronGate Aug 2014 #41
Try This One, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #39
Thank you kindly. IronGate Aug 2014 #43
Biased a bit are you? BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #45
So were those other links correct? IronGate Aug 2014 #48
You are willfully missing my points. BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #56
Thanks, Magistrate. BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #44
Certainly One Should Be Fair, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #59
True. Btw, the school mentioned in the statement BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #61
On One Point, Ma'am, I Think You Are In Error The Magistrate Aug 2014 #66
There are quite a few international legal scholars who take issue BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #88
I Consider Them In Error As Well, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #91
I have long admired your pithy statements, BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #96
Their Reading Does Not Differ From Mine, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #97
Thank you for humoring me and BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #42
So, do you believe it now? IronGate Aug 2014 #47
The difference is that the school found with weapons was vacant. potone Aug 2014 #57
What fucking difference does that make? IronGate Aug 2014 #60
I don't see that in the link. potone Aug 2014 #62
Ther "revelent parties", as in the terror org Hamas. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #63
Which They Ought Not To Have Done, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #68
Isn't it a violation to bomb a desigated facility known to shelter war refugees ? lumpy Aug 2014 #69
Check Reply #44 if BlueMTexpat Aug 2014 #58
Rockets were found in facilities ABANDONNED by UN Cicada Aug 2014 #64
If they were abondoned by the UN, IronGate Aug 2014 #65
maybe because Israel might then want to blow up active UN sites Cicada Aug 2014 #79
they have MFM008 Aug 2014 #87
That Is Going A Little Too Far, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #71
Vacant =/= abandoned. Igel Aug 2014 #75
Funny how the OP doesn't make that point onenote Aug 2014 #90
just like when they claimed that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq peoli Aug 2014 #22
I don't believe UN any more 840high Aug 2014 #27
That's some serious conspiracy mongering you've got there. cpwm17 Aug 2014 #30
Geez, IronGate Carolina Aug 2014 #95
The UN is the most trustworthy source, on the ground for years, they will surely be either Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
Another lie will be debunked shortly malaise Aug 2014 #12
Talk of the missing soldier has been dropped from the propaganda wire like a hot potato. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #15
Just like the Hamas kidnapped and killed those three malaise Aug 2014 #16
Malaise, you speak the truth and your mind...thank you. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #17
I Don't Believe The "Kidnapped" Soldier Story Either Liberal_Dog Aug 2014 #19
No, if one disappeared, he likely went AWOL Warpy Aug 2014 #40
See we were correct n/t malaise Aug 2014 #93
+1 Segami Aug 2014 #20
We knew malaise Aug 2014 #94
So the Israelis are targeting schools and shelters. pa28 Aug 2014 #18
Let's see...Should we trust the UN or Netanyahu???? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #24
Wouldn't be the first time UN inspectors were ignored. calimary Aug 2014 #29
Gee, I don't know? Should we? IronGate Aug 2014 #49
You seemed to have trusted them then. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #51
You seem to be drawing false conclusions. IronGate Aug 2014 #54
No, I'm saying I trust them a helluva lot more than a mass murderer. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #55
The UN has killed no one.....small point...... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #73
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #28
I'm totally confused at this point Aerows Aug 2014 #89
Anti-Semites! HOLOCAUST! DisgustedTX Aug 2014 #92
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