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Maedhros

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33. Of course Hamas is not innocent - I did not raise that straw man, you did.

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:50 PM

Aug 2014

The bottom line is that Israel has systematically pushed Palestinians off of the land they were granted by the 1947 treaty. To pretend that the source of hostility is simply irrational Palestinian hatred is, frankly, moronic. Likud apologists can claim that the Israelis are pure-hearted victims all they want, but the reality is that Israel is every bit as responsible for this nightmare as the various radical Palestinian factions.

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If Israel is using the excuse of crude rockets from Gaza to slaughter thousands of Palestinians... [View all] whereisjustice Aug 2014 OP

So how do you stand on Syria's excuse for slaughtering hundreds of thousands? Agnosticsherbet Aug 2014 #1

Who is financing that and arming the rebels in Syria? malaise Aug 2014 #2

I can't wait until I catch up to your post cound Malaise, and I hear you loud and clear DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #3

Actually, my emperors are well dressed because it is raining in my neighborhood. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2014 #10

Pro-Likud propaganda. Maedhros Aug 2014 #14

If all the fake outrage we're seeing were sincere those who condemn Israel should have been Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #26

huh? G_j Aug 2014 #66

another day, right now our taxes are paying Israel, our "friend", to bomb children on the beach whereisjustice Aug 2014 #4

... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #5

THANKS for this. elleng Aug 2014 #7

There really is no need to conflate all of these awful situations. elleng Aug 2014 #6

Syria, Libya, and Egypt aren't democracies Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #52

here's a thought backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #8

Here's a thought: Maedhros Aug 2014 #15

Gaza was handed to The palistinians backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #18

There's a little more history to the conflict than what you mention. Maedhros Aug 2014 #25

and Hamas isn't the poor innocent defenders backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #28

Of course Hamas is not innocent - I did not raise that straw man, you did. Maedhros Aug 2014 #33

and to make Hamas the victims is...moronic backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #36

But the children are the victims. Maedhros Aug 2014 #41

no..I just recognize reality backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #43

I expect Israel to behave like civilized human beings. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #69

Thank you. The fact that Israel has been allowing it's settlers to ruin Palestinian lumpy Aug 2014 #48

There are no settlers in Gaza oberliner Aug 2014 #49

OK. So Israel has no aspirations to take over Gaza? lumpy Aug 2014 #54

Definitely not oberliner Aug 2014 #56

or Israel can stop spreading the seeds of oppression and violence whereisjustice Aug 2014 #16

Or Hamas could stop trying to kill people backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #44

And Israel would not be losing moral support from the bulk of humanity if they pulled in their lumpy Aug 2014 #50

Or Israel could stop, you know, actually killing innocent people by the hundreds. DanTex Aug 2014 #51

Who just killed 1,600+ malaise Aug 2014 #62

This is Hamas: onenote Aug 2014 #67

"as an excuse to kill as many Palestinians as possible" oberliner Aug 2014 #9

That's a good question... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #11

Systematically killing as many Palestinians as they can get away with? oberliner Aug 2014 #13

That's my question to you... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #32

Here are my thoughts oberliner Aug 2014 #34

Thank you for your reply... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #40

And thanks for yours oberliner Aug 2014 #42

They may not be... TeeYiYi Aug 2014 #46

To maintain the Likud in power. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #55

Doubtful oberliner Aug 2014 #57

I don't know the speicifics, but I did know it was a coalition gov't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #58

That's basically right oberliner Aug 2014 #59

Israel using flechette shells in Gaza whereisjustice Aug 2014 #17

The munitions are not prohibited under international humanitarian law oberliner Aug 2014 #19

They do, however, undercut Israel's claim to be acting in such a way as to stranger81 Aug 2014 #21

Indeed it does oberliner Aug 2014 #23

what you meant was, "the legality of flechette munitions was upheld by the Israeli supreme court" whereisjustice Aug 2014 #22

No, I wrote what I meant oberliner Aug 2014 #24

"other rules of humanitarian law render their use in the Gaza Strip illegal" whereisjustice Aug 2014 #29

That is true oberliner Aug 2014 #37

nuclear weapons are not banned under humanitarian law whereisjustice Aug 2014 #31

They should be! oberliner Aug 2014 #38

Seriously, there is no moral equivalency to a body count. Rex Aug 2014 #12

If Hamas moved their rockets and weapons away from schools, hospitals, and areas with civilians, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #20

Nothing that Hamas does justifies the killing of children by the Israelis. Maedhros Aug 2014 #27

Nothing that Israel does justifies the Hamas rocket attacks into Israeli civilians. former9thward Aug 2014 #45

True. Both Israel and Hamas are essentially engaged in terrorism and violence against civilians. DanTex Aug 2014 #53

Personally, I'm not convinced that Israel itself is behind the ladjf Aug 2014 #30

I have the same 2naSalit Aug 2014 #35

Baghdad Bob lives!! onenote Aug 2014 #68

0 Recs., false equivalency is hilarious. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #39

"false equivalency is hilarious" oberliner Aug 2014 #47

I don't believe that the Israeli government and military is trying to kill civilians. Vattel Aug 2014 #60

Hamas rockets are not a mortal threat to the state of Israel, but Arab and Palestinian Larkspur Aug 2014 #61

Interesting... the same PR strategy worked as we slaughtered in Iraq, the US public worked into a whereisjustice Aug 2014 #63

Iraq did nothing to the United States ever. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #64

And Israel has done nothing to the Palestinians ever? whereisjustice Aug 2014 #65