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BrotherIvan

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56. There is not, nor will there ever be, a justification for torture

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 07:26 PM

Aug 2014

If you are willing to justify torture because you are invested in a particular politician and his image, then...

I actually have no words.

I marched against the war. I shouted at the top of my lungs about torture. I am not going to shut the fuck up about it now that the Democratic President has said it is "understandable." It is against my values, which means my party has betrayed my values. I never thought I would see the day when a Democrat tried to gloss over WAR CRIMES.

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Charles P Pierce- The President's worst moment [View all] n2doc Aug 2014 OP

CPP bigtree Aug 2014 #1

"... the single most revolting thing this president ever said in public." Yep, and he sure lost me. Scuba Aug 2014 #2

LOL like he ever had you. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #4

In 2008 and again in 2012 I spent countless hours working on his campaigns. Scuba Aug 2014 #6

Uh huh. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #7

Apparently in your mind my criticisms of the President .... Scuba Aug 2014 #8

The problem isn't criticism - it's constant criticism... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #11

I've criticized him when he deserved it, and applauded him when he deserved that. Scuba Aug 2014 #14

That's the problem... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #23

"... not as articulate ..." Total rubbish. And for you to have the temerity to decide what ... Scuba Aug 2014 #29

Mkay. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #33

Yeah, I'm new Needa Moment Aug 2014 #44

Welcome aboard... ReRe Aug 2014 #75

why, thank you ReRe... Needa Moment Aug 2014 #93

OK then LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #45

Not as articulate as he should have been? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #38

It wasn't a speech. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #41

I agree wholeheartedly. sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #59

The war criminals who used and authorized torture JDPriestly Aug 2014 #48

Maybe they should... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #49

The US investigated and determined that torture took place. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #54

And everyone knew Obama was not going to charge... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #60

It also wasn't necessary to refer to war criminals as patriots. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #82

Maybe Obama won't go after Bush because Obama is responsible for continuing the torture? L0oniX Aug 2014 #96

The President Enthusiast Aug 2014 #112

Do you think he continues it? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #113

24,000+ posts and you lob out a whopper like that? Sheepshank Aug 2014 #114

If only...... yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #94

You are probably right. But at least an international body could make a declaration, JDPriestly Aug 2014 #95

I concur, Drunken Irsihman. cheapdate Aug 2014 #62

Huh? arikara Aug 2014 #100

I think you make a fair point. nt MADem Aug 2014 #53

I did, too. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #12

If you want. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #13

I didn't say he has lost me. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #18

Then why are you even replying? Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #19

Read my edit. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #20

I don't disagree with your edit. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #24

He lost me the day he waved off sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #32

I respect that reason more than those who lost it over a press conference. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #39

You don't have to 840high Aug 2014 #36

hey, DU (and DI), is bigtree a supporter of President Obama? bigtree Aug 2014 #16

Obviously not. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #17

wow. You really are determined to discredit critics here. bigtree Aug 2014 #25

You asked a question. I answered. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #27

ah, but, the hair-splitter in you must realize that your issue with Scuba above bigtree Aug 2014 #35

If it's not about you it's not about you. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #51

As a former Obama supporter, I agree. sulphurdunn Aug 2014 #40

I'll vouch for what you're saying MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #72

you should remember, Manny bigtree Aug 2014 #73

You sound ridiculous. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #84

No kidding! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #120

People Don't Want To Admit... supercats Aug 2014 #3

Yup. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #9

I feel pres. Obama has a Needa Moment Aug 2014 #46

I hate to admit it, but in my thinking he became Reagan 5. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #10

Dear Lord, yet another Bush=Obama post Sheepshank Aug 2014 #115

The "folksy" thing, and the "patriot" thing truebluegreen Aug 2014 #5

I was astonshished to hear our president acknowledge toture. cheapdate Aug 2014 #15

It's not the use of the word torture obxhead Aug 2014 #22

That's a justification that millions of Americans, cheapdate Aug 2014 #34

"...justifiable ethically as well as in practical terms." OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #69

How sanctimonious. cheapdate Aug 2014 #70

Fuck international treaties. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #71

I don't know what it is.... ReRe Aug 2014 #77

Thank you, ReRe. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #86

Truth, justice and the American way ...was just Superman tv show and comic book propaganda. L0oniX Aug 2014 #97

Apparently any criticism of Obama clouds this issue, among others. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #121

I'm not going to join you in the gutter, OnyxCollie. cheapdate Aug 2014 #90

Demanding adherence to norms, laws, and treaties is "the gutter," OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #101

No, not being able to to debate an argument cheapdate Aug 2014 #107

When will those tortured get their justice? OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #108

OH MY DOG! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #122

Plussed, kicked and acknowledged as a fine post. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #118

how about that odd concept known as "the rule of law?" noiretextatique Aug 2014 #109

How does the "rule of law" help? cheapdate Aug 2014 #116

thanks for making my point noiretextatique Aug 2014 #117

You'll get no argument from me over that point. cheapdate Aug 2014 #119

Hey cheapdate... ReRe Aug 2014 #124

he's called it torture twice before bigtree Aug 2014 #28

Previous statements fall short cheapdate Aug 2014 #42

"Until further notice"... ReRe Aug 2014 #78

It doesn't mean a while lot for him to admit that Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #37

His choice of words left a bad taste in way too many mouths. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #21

I couldn't agree more stupidicus Aug 2014 #26

Do people not know that Obama has called waterboarding torture before? PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #30

Fuck Charlie Pierce. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #31

Under the bus! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #50

Yeah, and anyone like him that tells the truth LondonReign2 Aug 2014 #92

LOL Skittles Aug 2014 #99

Really. madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #43

This thread, for some reason, is like fly paper for low count posters. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #47

6 posts out of 55+ are by posters with less than 1000 posts. The rest have many thousands of posts riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #57

+1 totodeinhere Aug 2014 #63

eh, you don't intimidate me. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #85

But..those poor delicate "patriots" were under enormous pressure. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #52

Yes! Think of poor Dick Cheney and his diseased, putrid heart (during 9/11), please! BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #76

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #55

There is not, nor will there ever be, a justification for torture BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #56

+ a brazillion kath Aug 2014 #79

I'm with you, Brother. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #87

There are plenty who will try to justify torture. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #102

Sadly, they don't get paid BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #104

More likely, it's the good computer algorithm at work. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #105

I realized that budget must have been cut BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #111

What was the second most "revolting"? Can not recall. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #58

Until next week's worst thing ever said ever JoePhilly Aug 2014 #110

Does anyone here really believe that the POTUS sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author ReRe Aug 2014 #64

"OK we tortured some folks, now let's just move on" tularetom Aug 2014 #65

Exactly! ReRe Aug 2014 #80

I regard anyone who impedes JEB Aug 2014 #66

the best that can be said is this worst moment, out does previous worst moments - patriot act, whereisjustice Aug 2014 #67

sighs and hates to agree DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #68

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #74

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #81

Why is the worst moment those comments rather than when he decided not to pursue BainsBane Aug 2014 #83

Wonderful sentiments...... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #88

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #89

"he's been out on the golf course without a hat too long." lol nt m-lekktor Aug 2014 #91

Charles P. Pierce never really loved him!!! QC Aug 2014 #98

In the country I grew up in torturers were always the bad guy. Bonhomme Richard Aug 2014 #103

I voted for Obama with great enthusiasm in '08 hifiguy Aug 2014 #106

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #123