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In reply to the discussion: Kennedys pushing Warren to run against Hillary in 2016 [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)103. Own up is right after Hillary Clinton explains why she's sided with Wall Street and the Warmongers.
For starters:
Poor, Poor Pitiful Me
Down and Out With Hillary Clinton
by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition August 1-3, 2014
Pity Hillary. Evicted from her home, jobless, and, as she evocatively put it to Diane Sawyer, dead broke. Such were the perilous straits of the Clinton family in the early winter months of 2001, as they packed their belongings at the White House, and scurried away like refugees from Washington toward a harsh and uncertain future.
We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt, Hillary recalled. We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelseas education. You know, it was not easy.
Hillary was on the cusp of middle age and, at this point, for all practical purposes a single mother. She hadnt had a paying job in years and the prospects of resurrecting her law career were dim. She was emotionally drained, physically debilitated and hounded wherever she went by the dark forces of the right. All in all, her prospects on that cold January morning were grave.
With no life-ring to cling to, Hillary was forced to work furiously to save her family from a Dickensian existence of privation and destitution. Though she spared Sawyer the harrowing details, we can recreate some of her most grueling tasks. This meant giving several speeches a week to demanding audiences for $200,000 a pop, burning the midnight oil to complete her book so that she wouldnt have to return her $8 million advance, booking Bills speeches at $500,000 an appearance and scrutinizing Bills $10 million book contract for any troublesome pitfalls. There were also those tedious documents to sign for Bills $200,000 presidential pension and her own $20,000 annual pension for her term as First Lady.
There was also that rather irksome request from the Bankers Trust that Hillary authorize them to accept for deposit $1.35 million from a certain Terry McAuliffe to secure the Clintons loan for the purchase a five-bedroom house in Chappaqua, New York. She was also tasked with itemizing the $190,000 worth of gifts for the familys new home that flooded into the White House during the last cruel weeks of the Clinton presidency and arranging moving vans for the $28,000 of White House furnishings the family took with them to their humble new digs in New York.
But Hillary put her nose to the grindstone. She didnt complain. She didnt apply for unemployment compensation or food stamps. She simply devoted herself feverishly to the tasks at hand and over the course the next few months the Clintons fraught condition began to improve rather dramatically.
By the end of 2001, the Clintons owned two homes: the $5.95 million Dutch Colonial in Chappaqua and the $2.85 Georgian mansion in DCs bucolic Observatory Circle neighborhood. Her deft management of the family finances, a feat worthy of Cardinal Mazarin himself, allowed the displaced couples bank accounts to swell to more than $20 million. A carefully nourished blind trust also fattened to more than $5 million. In twelve short months, their net worth rose from dead broke to a fortune of more than $35 million. Thus was the Clinton family was saved from a life of poverty.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/01/down-and-out-with-hillary-clinton/
Then there's Honduras:
Hillary Clinton's Real Scandal Is Honduras, Not Benghazi
By Emily Schwartz Greco
Truth-Out, OtherWords | Op-Ed, Saturday, 26 July 2014
EXCERPT...
Clinton's apparent unbeatability this time around helps explain the right-wing hysteria over the Benghazi tragedy. The conspiracy theories about the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya amount to a desperate effort to discredit the Democratic Party's strong centrist candidate. It's no surprise that this ploy isn't making a dent on her popularity.
What beats me is why more Democrats aren't deeply troubled by the legacy of Clinton's foreign policy blunder in Honduras.
Maybe you've forgotten what happened in that small country in the first year of the Obama administration more on that in a moment. But surely you've noticed the ugly wave of xenophobia greeting a growing number of Central American child refugees arriving on our southern border.
Some of President Barack Obama's supporters are trying to blame this immigration crisis on the Bush administration because of an anti-trafficking law George W. signed in 2008 specifically written to protect Central American children that preceded an uptick in their arrivals. But which country is the top source of kids crossing the border? Honduras, home to the world's highest murder rate, Latin America's worst economic inequality, and a repressive U.S.-backed government.
When Honduran military forces allied with rightist lawmakers ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya in 2009, then-Secretary of State Clinton sided with the armed forces and fought global pressure to reinstate him.
Washington wields great influence over Honduras, thanks to the numerous military bases built with U.S. funds where training and joint military and anti-drug operations take place. Since the coup, nearly $350 million in U.S. assistance, including more than $50 million in military aid has poured into the country.
That's a lot of investment in a nation where the police, the military, and private security forces are killing people with alarming frequency and impunity, according to Human Rights Watch.
CONTINUED...
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/25184-hillary-clintons-real-scandal-is-honduras-not-benghazi
Then there's the time the Senator sided with the Republicans over democracy in Haiti...
Bill and Hillary Clinton: Friends of Haiti?
Marty Goodman
Black Agenda Report, Wed, 12/05/2012
Bill Clinton and Obamas Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are called the Friends of Haiti. Oh, really?
After the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, President Obama appointed Bill Clinton as US envoy, partnering with the Katrina and Iraq criminal George Bush, Jr., a supporter of the 2004 CIA-backed military coup which overthrew the elected President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. After the earthquake, Bill headed relief agencies, while excluding Haitians themselves. The stated theme of the Clinton-Bush effort was to build back better. Today, Bill is the UN envoy and acknowledged guiding hand behind international relief efforts.
Both Bill and Hillary are promoters of the U.S. dominated World Bank low-wage sweatshop plan for Haiti, angrily dubbed the American Plan by Haitians. Last year, Hillary signed an agreement committing $124 million tax dollars to the building of the Caracol sweatshop assembly park in the north of Haiti. The agreement includes massive tax breaks for sweatshop bosses. Workers there are making the starvation wage of about $3.50 a day.
On Oct 22, 2012 Bill and Hillary were on hand for the inaugural ceremony in Caracol. Also there was Haitian President Michael Martelly, a pro-coup right-winger linked to Duvalier era thugs. Hillary praised Martelly as Haitis chief dreamer and believer. Martelly, once again, declared Haiti open for business.
The sweatshop park was launched with $3 million from the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, set up by the two Obama appointees to spearhead so-called earthquake relief fundraising. One park occupant, Sae-A Trading, is a large textile company cited by the AFL-CIO for acts of violence and intimidation against workers in Guatemala.
Last year, Hillary signed an agreement committing $124 million tax dollars to the building of the Caracol sweatshop assembly park in the north of Haiti.
In 1993, during Bill Clintons administration, he appointed his close friend Ron Brown as Secretary of Commerce. In the early 1980s, Brown was a partner in the powerful Washington law firm of Patton, Boggs & Blow. Brown was a paid attorney and a lobbyist for Haitian dictator Jean-Claude Baby Doc Duvalier and his family. Brown was also personally linked to wealthy Haitian pro-Duvalier figures.
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http://blackagendareport.com/content/bill-and-hillary-clinton-%E2%80%9Cfriends-haiti%E2%80%9D
Then again, War Inc needs the oil. Right?
There's tons more owning up. Are you going to own up to supporting all that, Muriel _volestrangler?
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Well, the OP's in a bit of a pickle....Elizabeth Warren's Press Secretary has screwed him over.
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#247
The writer of the piece is an author who claims Chelsea Clinton is the product of rape, because
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#12
Orly Taitz looks like a reasoned jurist compared to this nut. He writes birther fanfic. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#32
Check out down below--apparently I am now a sexist for correctly pointing out sexism. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#63
The GOP is scared shitless of HRC as President and Warren as Senate Majority Leader. That's why the
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#120
Ed Klein is a pretty notorious racist and birther. Jerome Corsi is more credible. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#9
I admit to using the ny post as a source in the NY room for non political stories and one on my
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#13
Ed Klein is not an appropriate source for anything. A click on the author's profile would have
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#17
Because I think it gives us quite a bit of insight into the OP, as inadvertant as they may be. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#24
It's good not to trust them, but not good to try to censor them. Let's see what they have to say
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#144
No--the real story is how the OP gets to post what a racist birther has to say...with no
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#8
Birthers. We are now featuring birthers in OPs and wondering if they are credible. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#50
Please self delete. Ed Klein is a vile right winger who makes stuff up against Hillary and
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#21
well it is your choice and I won't bother you on it anymore but just remember the Klein is vile and
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#34
You could edit, with the explanation that you didn't know the article was written by a racist
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#35
You know, Manny, if I had inadvertantly posted something from a racist, mysogynistic source, my
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#40
Really? It's not mysogynistic to post utter lies about some imaginary catfight/power struggle
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#48
But they aren't competing against each other. And there's the mysogyny--the insistence that these
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#57
They aren't vying for the same political office. That's the point of the catfight insinuation. It's
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#54
So if two female politicians seek endorsements from the same source, it's automatically a catfight?
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#56
Who sought endorsement from the same source? Dear sweet jeebus....you believe this birther? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#58
You said, "an article meant to demean both women by evoking sexist imagery of a power struggle
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#65
Okay--when a racist, sexist birther--one who claims Chelsea Clinton is the product of rape, mind you
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#67
Wait a minute.....is it that you don't see the inherent sexism in just making up shit about a non-
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#75
Vattel, I am surprised that you have not rec'd this thread. If you are having pain reading
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#244
There isn't a rivalry. And that's the point....the insistence that there is one is sexist, and in
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#62
When a racist, sexist birther writes about a non-existent rivalry between two women you don't hear
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#72
So it's not possible to speculate that Warren might run in 2016 without being sexist, because
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#68
What has Elizabeth Warren said? Did she not say she was not running? Do you think that
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#76
Manny--what exactly do you think you've won? You posted an OP from a racist, sexist birther who
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#100
Manny is correct in posting a story that EW's press secretary says is utter BS? But posting
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#236
No, I meant he is correct in claiming that HRC has said several times that she will not run.
Vattel
Aug 2014
#248
And? This only sinks this OP deeper. If both HRC, and EW have said they aren't running, then why
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#251
Manny thought the article credible, because he posted it. I mean, who would post something they did
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#254
Again...why would a supporter of EW post something that they did not find credible? I'm
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#257
Aren't you suggesting her repudiation of this article might not be truthful?
BainsBane
Aug 2014
#223
"*Only* the NY Post, but an entertaining thought if it *happens* to be true."
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2014
#189
Would that more or less difficult than looking up a story's author prior to posting his editorial?
LanternWaste
Aug 2014
#135
Why do you think anyone on this thread is pissed? I happen to think this thread is HILARIOUS.
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#132
Well then, in all due respect, you should research articles and their authors before you post their
Fla Dem
Aug 2014
#147
Warren is best in the Senate where she can focus on her passion for quite a few years.
amandabeech
Aug 2014
#38
They laughed because so much else is flat out wrong. So 1 out of 10 was correct.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#125
Senator Warren is running for her seat in 2018. She isn't running for President. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#66
Warren has an excellent chance of being Majority Leader as soon as 2018. And yeah...these guys are
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#129
Not sure why you think she'd have "an excellent chance" as soon as 2018,
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#133
You still haven't answered my question---do you find this story credible? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#134
No, I think it's some yahoo stirring the pot to fill column inches and move a paper.
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#136
And posted here, breathlessly....there's another body part I'd reference. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#175
Funny, I believe that Sen Warren would love to run for president. We seem to disagree.
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#143
If you have a single quote of EW's that indicates she wants the job, please post it. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#152
Damn it can't the rich stay the hayle out of it and let the voters decide???
Heather MC
Aug 2014
#74
No shit. And the refusal to delete the racist, sexist birther because, well, it might be taken the
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#88
OK, Manny's admitted he's fine posting RW turds; what about the 19 of you that have recc'ed this?
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2014
#91
Own up is right after Hillary Clinton explains why she's sided with Wall Street and the Warmongers.
Octafish
Aug 2014
#103
Before I pull the 'Hillary' lever, I want to know why she sides with Wall Street and War Inc.
Octafish
Aug 2014
#110
See, here I disagree with you. The recs give us an accurate list of who finds a sexist, racist
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#121
I think you should be proud to rec this, Union Scribe. I mean, granted that Ed Klein is nuttier
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#131
See, here I disagree with you. The recs give us an accurate list of who finds an OP interesting or
Autumn
Aug 2014
#127
Who called for censorship? On the contrary, I think one of the strengths of this site is that you
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#128
Did I say anyone called for censorship? You got it right. As Skinner said, you take your chances.
Autumn
Aug 2014
#138
It isn't the site that is at issue. It is the author of the piece, who is a birther. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#140
That is a CS issue. Ultimately it's up to the members of DU as to what they will or will not allow.
Autumn
Aug 2014
#142
Jury result??? I hope no one alerted on this. This is one for the ages, like the moon bombing
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#150
Do you mistake my stance for agitation? You are mistaken. I am belly laughing....
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#196
Manny-you've pointed out that I've taken more care to answer posters on this thread than you have.
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#203
Manny....no one who read your OP can credibly fail to understand what you meant. The worm turns. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#213
Manny - if Warren didn't listen to you, why would she listen to the Kennedy's?
brooklynite
Aug 2014
#99
An "interesting thought" that "does totally make sense." And when it was proven to him
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#249
And Manny said why he thought it made sense. You keep skipping that part.
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#250
No, I haven't skipped that part, nor am I "pushing" this story, but thanks for playing.
winter is coming
Aug 2014
#259
Ed Klein creates lengthy dialogue and always attributes it to anonymous sources
m-lekktor
Aug 2014
#109
Please edit your OP Manny. You have upset the people who don't like you or anything you post.
Autumn
Aug 2014
#111
Cann you name a single anti-Warren warrior, and post anything they've had to say about Warren that
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#122
This is intended to be a politically liberal message board. Politically liberal posters shouldn't
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#172
Many people never go back to a thread unless someone replies to them specifically.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#224
No...he should not. He should keep this OP, because even thought EW's press secretary
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#162
You Better Believe It! Seriously....Warren's own press secretary says this story is a lie. And yet
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#168
The point? I will not speculate as to another DUer's motives. I wish Manny would tell us the point
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#169
That's true. It reveals the truth about the poster, even as it lies about the Kennedy's,
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#181
AND the OP knows that Sen. Warren's office says the story is completely MADE UP.
pnwmom
Aug 2014
#177
Recommended (but only to piss off the perpetually & aggrieved game players).
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2014
#216
OP and everyone who rec'ed this and those who attacked those who disputed it should apologize.
stevenleser
Aug 2014
#260