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Octafish

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104. Hm. So why does Hillary want it?

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:52 AM

Aug 2014

Could it be the, uh, lasting friendships?

For instance:

Phil Gramm's UBS Vice Chairman home page separates the punters from the players.

It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring. Guess that shows how important friends are -- family you choose, as they say.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

The fact the nation's "news media" don't should also be of great concern. Oh well. Nice people. Really. Some of them, anyway.

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Kennedys pushing Warren to run against Hillary in 2016 [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 OP

New York Post isn't and never was a credible source for anything HERVEPA Aug 2014 #1

As I said... if it *happens* to be true. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #3

Ed Klein is a racist birther...nice job, quoting him..... msanthrope Aug 2014 #7

WARREN CAMP says this story is completely made up--- msanthrope Aug 2014 #156

It is. H2O Man Aug 2014 #188

You're a brave man. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #190

A cross between honest H2O Man Aug 2014 #191

The fact is that Warren has repudiated this article BainsBane Aug 2014 #205

Of course! H2O Man Aug 2014 #208

Do I understand correctly BainsBane Aug 2014 #209

Well, the OP's in a bit of a pickle....Elizabeth Warren's Press Secretary has screwed him over. msanthrope Aug 2014 #247

The writer of the piece is an author who claims Chelsea Clinton is the product of rape, because msanthrope Aug 2014 #12

so this is like orly taitz level bs JI7 Aug 2014 #31

Orly Taitz looks like a reasoned jurist compared to this nut. He writes birther fanfic. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #32

Holy Moley! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #60

Check out down below--apparently I am now a sexist for correctly pointing out sexism. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #63

I just finished reading it! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #69

Gefilte Fish, Redux. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #79

Yes it is! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #80

The GOP is scared shitless of HRC as President and Warren as Senate Majority Leader. That's why the msanthrope Aug 2014 #120

Exactly! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #227

Don't trust the NYPost. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2

Ed Klein is a pretty notorious racist and birther. Jerome Corsi is more credible. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #9

I admit to using the ny post as a source in the NY room for non political stories and one on my hrmjustin Aug 2014 #13

Ed Klein is not an appropriate source for anything. A click on the author's profile would have msanthrope Aug 2014 #17

Yep! I am going to ask him to self delete. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #19

Please do not! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #20

I did but he doesn't respond to me anymore so I might be ignored. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #23

Because I think it gives us quite a bit of insight into the OP, as inadvertant as they may be. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #24

Well he no longer responds to me so I might be on ignore. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #25

I have nobody on ignore. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #28

Oh ok. I was wondering if I made you mad or something. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #29

It's very telling, don't you think? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #26

Manny--you go on with your bad self!!! This thread is a CLASSIC! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #27

It's good not to trust them, but not good to try to censor them. Let's see what they have to say rhett o rick Aug 2014 #144

Oh, so Warren senseandsensibility Aug 2014 #4

No--the real story is how the OP gets to post what a racist birther has to say...with no msanthrope Aug 2014 #8

Because the OP gave it proper context MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #39

Oh--I didn't alert on you Manny....this is a thread for the ages. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #41

I looked but no one fessed up so I alerted to see the results Autumn Aug 2014 #145

+1... SidDithers Aug 2014 #46

Birthers. We are now featuring birthers in OPs and wondering if they are credible. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #50

As usual, you nail it, Sid. SunSeeker Aug 2014 #84

Of course ... ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #263

Warren is from Oklahoma and, although wealthy, perhaps not JDPriestly Aug 2014 #55

Nonsense. DURHAM D Aug 2014 #90

Oklahoma used to have waterfront pscot Aug 2014 #195

Spare Us Another Clinton cantbeserious Aug 2014 #5

Edward Klein of the NY Post is the birther who wrote "Blood Feud"-- msanthrope Aug 2014 #6

Holy crap. joshcryer Aug 2014 #14

Ann is smarter. This is going to be a classic thread. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #16

Damned straight! MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #36

I am sure you are replete with many fine Cornell references. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #43

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #10

BENGHAZI JI7 Aug 2014 #11

Oh--Manny's got a great post on Benghazi, too.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #15

the latest news must be disappointing JI7 Aug 2014 #18

Indeed!!! nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #22

Which part of "ginning up fully-fake scandals" did you not understand? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #30

Please self delete. Ed Klein is a vile right winger who makes stuff up against Hillary and hrmjustin Aug 2014 #21

See, here's the problem. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #33

well it is your choice and I won't bother you on it anymore but just remember the Klein is vile and hrmjustin Aug 2014 #34

You could edit, with the explanation that you didn't know the article was written by a racist msanthrope Aug 2014 #35

Perhaps you should look up the word "context" MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #37

You know, Manny, if I had inadvertantly posted something from a racist, mysogynistic source, my msanthrope Aug 2014 #40

I gave a warning as to what it was, MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #45

Really? It's not mysogynistic to post utter lies about some imaginary catfight/power struggle msanthrope Aug 2014 #48

I don't see "catfight" or any other similar terms in the article. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #51

But they aren't competing against each other. And there's the mysogyny--the insistence that these msanthrope Aug 2014 #57

Catfight? You've got no business lecturing Manny on misogyny. winter is coming Aug 2014 #52

They aren't vying for the same political office. That's the point of the catfight insinuation. It's msanthrope Aug 2014 #54

So if two female politicians seek endorsements from the same source, it's automatically a catfight? winter is coming Aug 2014 #56

Who sought endorsement from the same source? Dear sweet jeebus....you believe this birther? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #58

You said, "an article meant to demean both women by evoking sexist imagery of a power struggle winter is coming Aug 2014 #65

Okay--when a racist, sexist birther--one who claims Chelsea Clinton is the product of rape, mind you msanthrope Aug 2014 #67

I think his purpose is to fill column inches and sell a paper. winter is coming Aug 2014 #73

Wait a minute.....is it that you don't see the inherent sexism in just making up shit about a non- msanthrope Aug 2014 #75

Here's the thing. winter is coming Aug 2014 #81

You don't know when to give up. It's painful to watch. Vattel Aug 2014 #232

Vattel, I am surprised that you have not rec'd this thread. If you are having pain reading msanthrope Aug 2014 #244

It's very telling that just by mentioning a rivalry between two women MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #59

There isn't a rivalry. And that's the point....the insistence that there is one is sexist, and in msanthrope Aug 2014 #62

Nothing in that article implies a catfight MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #64

When a racist, sexist birther writes about a non-existent rivalry between two women you don't hear msanthrope Aug 2014 #72

So it's not possible to speculate that Warren might run in 2016 without being sexist, because winter is coming Aug 2014 #68

What has Elizabeth Warren said? Did she not say she was not running? Do you think that msanthrope Aug 2014 #76

Do you suppose she's incapable of changing her mind? winter is coming Aug 2014 #82

Hillary has said, several times, that she's ruled out running in 2016 MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #83

Provide one link of Hillary "ruling out running in 2016". DURHAM D Aug 2014 #86

Kindly provide a link where Hilary Clinton says she isn't running. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #87

What do you think of this? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #92

An excerpt please--I generally eschew blind links. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #93

LOL MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #98

Manny--what exactly do you think you've won? You posted an OP from a racist, sexist birther who msanthrope Aug 2014 #100

That reminds me, has anyone heard from prosense? I do get worried when Autumn Aug 2014 #117

Haven't heard from her, but I am sure she is well. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #119

Tacky Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #231

Here's an excerpt for you. Manny is correct. Vattel Aug 2014 #234

Manny is correct in posting a story that EW's press secretary says is utter BS? But posting msanthrope Aug 2014 #236

No, I meant he is correct in claiming that HRC has said several times that she will not run. Vattel Aug 2014 #248

And? This only sinks this OP deeper. If both HRC, and EW have said they aren't running, then why msanthrope Aug 2014 #251

Who is claiming that the article is credible? Vattel Aug 2014 #253

Manny thought the article credible, because he posted it. I mean, who would post something they did msanthrope Aug 2014 #254

oh come on. he said that it was "only the new york post" Vattel Aug 2014 #256

Again...why would a supporter of EW post something that they did not find credible? I'm msanthrope Aug 2014 #257

Because it might be true? Vattel Aug 2014 #258

Now Senator Warren is a liar? BainsBane Aug 2014 #215

Please link to where I claimed either. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #217

Aren't you suggesting her repudiation of this article might not be truthful? BainsBane Aug 2014 #223

I agree that she's not running. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #225

You posted this article, did you not? BainsBane Aug 2014 #239

It's called "going to sleep" MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #246

No, you did NOT. Your OP said the story was entertaining. pnwmom Aug 2014 #179

"*Only* the NY Post, but an entertaining thought if it *happens* to be true." MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #189

Funny you left this part out: pnwmom Aug 2014 #198

So you *can't* come up with an alternative that fits MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #199

Manny, you're wrong. You OP didn't say that it was likely to be BS pnwmom Aug 2014 #211

Both statements were essentially the same MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #212

On one side we have the truth BainsBane Aug 2014 #214

Would that more or less difficult than looking up a story's author prior to posting his editorial? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #135

On edit: Never mind. Jeff Rosenzweig Aug 2014 #85

That does it ...I'm rec'n this just to piss off the pissed off. L0oniX Aug 2014 #118

Why do you think anyone on this thread is pissed? I happen to think this thread is HILARIOUS. msanthrope Aug 2014 #132

Well then, in all due respect, you should research articles and their authors before you post their Fla Dem Aug 2014 #147

To be clear, I'd only delete it as a favor to hrmjustin MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #170

for a post to be "correctly-attributed and BainsBane Aug 2014 #240

Oh, I think you should leave it, for sure. Don't self-delete. MineralMan Aug 2014 #163

Warren is best in the Senate where she can focus on her passion for quite a few years. amandabeech Aug 2014 #38

Ed fucking Klein?... SidDithers Aug 2014 #42

Check the recs. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #44

Love that transparency...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #47

DU3 is an awesome beast. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #49

Rec shaming causes me to rec threads. nt Union Scribe Aug 2014 #123

Why should anybody be ashamed to rec this? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #130

+1. love to see em twitch bahrbearian Aug 2014 #186

Ditto. SMC22307 Aug 2014 #193

Next you'll be posting from the National Enquirer. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #53

Yeah, the newspaper that broke the John Edwards story. former9thward Aug 2014 #95

They laughed because so much else is flat out wrong. So 1 out of 10 was correct. pnwmom Aug 2014 #125

what's the NYT's track record on WMDs? frylock Aug 2014 #149

IDK, they had Edwards right. n/t hootinholler Aug 2014 #97

Enquirer has a much better record. They have changed. You need to keep up. HERVEPA Aug 2014 #102

I hope Sen. Warren runs. Octafish Aug 2014 #61

Senator Warren is running for her seat in 2018. She isn't running for President. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #66

Sen. Warren would make a good president because she has integrity. Octafish Aug 2014 #70

Senator Warren doesn't want the job. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #77

Hm. So why does Hillary want it? Octafish Aug 2014 #104

You've assumed she does. I make no assumptions. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #112

Here's an assumption you've made, and it's a real stinker: winter is coming Aug 2014 #126

Warren has an excellent chance of being Majority Leader as soon as 2018. And yeah...these guys are msanthrope Aug 2014 #129

Not sure why you think she'd have "an excellent chance" as soon as 2018, winter is coming Aug 2014 #133

You still haven't answered my question---do you find this story credible? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #134

No, I think it's some yahoo stirring the pot to fill column inches and move a paper. winter is coming Aug 2014 #136

Warren Camp --completely made up-- msanthrope Aug 2014 #157

A Murdoch paper _made something up_? Be still, my heart. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #171

And posted here, breathlessly....there's another body part I'd reference. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #175

Thank you for this... Not surprising maddezmom Aug 2014 #173

Funny, I believe that Sen Warren would love to run for president. We seem to disagree. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #143

If you have a single quote of EW's that indicates she wants the job, please post it. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #152

I was going to point out this is pure E Klein BS herding cats Aug 2014 #71

Damn it can't the rich stay the hayle out of it and let the voters decide??? Heather MC Aug 2014 #74

You better believe it! zappaman Aug 2014 #78

No shit. And the refusal to delete the racist, sexist birther because, well, it might be taken the msanthrope Aug 2014 #88

FDR Democrat? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #89

OK, Manny's admitted he's fine posting RW turds; what about the 19 of you that have recc'ed this? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #91

Own up is right after Hillary Clinton explains why she's sided with Wall Street and the Warmongers. Octafish Aug 2014 #103

I don't recommend threads written by supporters of them muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #105

That's not what I wrote, however. Octafish Aug 2014 #106

I'm sure you don't - but that's what you're doing muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #107

Before I pull the 'Hillary' lever, I want to know why she sides with Wall Street and War Inc. Octafish Aug 2014 #110

Sad to see people rec this garbage maddezmom Aug 2014 #94

See, here I disagree with you. The recs give us an accurate list of who finds a sexist, racist msanthrope Aug 2014 #121

Ooo, a list! Union Scribe Aug 2014 #124

I think you should be proud to rec this, Union Scribe. I mean, granted that Ed Klein is nuttier msanthrope Aug 2014 #131

See, here I disagree with you. The recs give us an accurate list of who finds an OP interesting or Autumn Aug 2014 #127

Who called for censorship? On the contrary, I think one of the strengths of this site is that you msanthrope Aug 2014 #128

Did I say anyone called for censorship? You got it right. As Skinner said, you take your chances. Autumn Aug 2014 #138

It isn't the site that is at issue. It is the author of the piece, who is a birther. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #140

That is a CS issue. Ultimately it's up to the members of DU as to what they will or will not allow. Autumn Aug 2014 #142

Jury result??? I hope no one alerted on this. This is one for the ages, like the moon bombing msanthrope Aug 2014 #150

Or People that like to see you agitated bahrbearian Aug 2014 #187

Do you mistake my stance for agitation? You are mistaken. I am belly laughing.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #196

Approximately one-third of all the posts on this thread are yours. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #201

Manny-you've pointed out that I've taken more care to answer posters on this thread than you have. msanthrope Aug 2014 #203

Good point. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #210

Manny....no one who read your OP can credibly fail to understand what you meant. The worm turns. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #213

Hey! We finally agree on something! MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #221

You are taking a lot of flack for bringing this article here. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #96

Manny - if Warren didn't listen to you, why would she listen to the Kennedy's? brooklynite Aug 2014 #99

... maddezmom Aug 2014 #101

Did Manny post an article that is a Right-Wing attack on H. Clinton? rhett o rick Aug 2014 #108

That really is the heart of the matter... Octafish Aug 2014 #113

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #148

Yes, it's a classic right-wing divide-and-conquer attack. pnwmom Aug 2014 #180

Let's review what Manny actually said in the OP. winter is coming Aug 2014 #192

Don't ruin it with facts. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #222

An "interesting thought" that "does totally make sense." And when it was proven to him pnwmom Aug 2014 #249

And Manny said why he thought it made sense. You keep skipping that part. winter is coming Aug 2014 #250

And you've skipped the part that Warren said the story was completely made up. pnwmom Aug 2014 #255

No, I haven't skipped that part, nor am I "pushing" this story, but thanks for playing. winter is coming Aug 2014 #259

Psst. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #242

Ed Klein creates lengthy dialogue and always attributes it to anonymous sources m-lekktor Aug 2014 #109

Please edit your OP Manny. You have upset the people who don't like you or anything you post. Autumn Aug 2014 #111

+1 L0oniX Aug 2014 #116

Wow ...this one really brought out the anti Warren warriors. L0oniX Aug 2014 #114

Cann you name a single anti-Warren warrior, and post anything they've had to say about Warren that msanthrope Aug 2014 #122

It has nothing to do with Warren, rhett o rick Aug 2014 #139

Is there a reason someone like Ed Klein should not be attacked? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #153

Not a good source, but I take Warren at her word that she isn't running. WI_DEM Aug 2014 #115

Wow! A New York Post (Murdoch owned) newspaper article being DonViejo Aug 2014 #137

Oh yeah---it's on the front page of Newsmax, I just checked. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #161

OMG, hilarious. Not the Onion, but almost.... bettyellen Aug 2014 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #146

This is intended to be a politically liberal message board. Politically liberal posters shouldn't rhett o rick Aug 2014 #172

Once Sen. Warren's office said this story was completely made up, pnwmom Aug 2014 #184

I have no problem and welcome stories that may counter the OP article. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #219

Many people never go back to a thread unless someone replies to them specifically. pnwmom Aug 2014 #224

I would never alert on Manny... brooklynite Aug 2014 #218

Why would you post the mewlings of Klein the Birther on anything? MineralMan Aug 2014 #151

Are articles by Klein banned on DU? leftstreet Aug 2014 #154

Warren's camp says he lied...... msanthrope Aug 2014 #158

Not as far as I know. Why do you ask? MineralMan Aug 2014 #160

FYI Manny--Warren says the article you quoted was completely made up.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #155

Gee, what a surprise! DonViejo Aug 2014 #164

You should think about deleting this false story. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #159

No...he should not. He should keep this OP, because even thought EW's press secretary msanthrope Aug 2014 #162

"...it is quite revealing." DonViejo Aug 2014 #165

You Better Believe It! Seriously....Warren's own press secretary says this story is a lie. And yet msanthrope Aug 2014 #168

The Disscusionist forum also has links to this article, as well. Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #167

The point? I will not speculate as to another DUer's motives. I wish Manny would tell us the point msanthrope Aug 2014 #169

I'll speculate BainsBane Aug 2014 #204

No--lest one incur a hide.... msanthrope Aug 2014 #206

That's true. It reveals the truth about the poster, even as it lies about the Kennedy's, pnwmom Aug 2014 #181

He says he has already thought about it and has decided MineralMan Aug 2014 #166

Please run all stories past the censorship committee, LOL! Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #174

Hey, if it's good enough for Free Republic BainsBane Aug 2014 #200

LOL. An article by Ed Klein based entirely on anonymous sources. DanTex Aug 2014 #176

AND the OP knows that Sen. Warren's office says the story is completely MADE UP. pnwmom Aug 2014 #177

you assume they actually support or care about elizabeth warren JI7 Aug 2014 #182

Hmmmm, I think you are onto something maddezmom Aug 2014 #183

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #185

NAILED IT. Nailed it clean through Number23 Aug 2014 #261

And boom goes the dynamite... SidDithers Aug 2014 #178

. . . BainsBane Aug 2014 #194

And can you believe that Manny reported it AS A FACT! MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #197

I'm sure he was just following directions. Don't be so hard on him. emulatorloo Aug 2014 #202

I've never known Manny to deal in fact. Mostly right-wing propaganda. DanTex Aug 2014 #226

Manny said that? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #228

+a billion. You just have to laugh that he thinks he's fooling anyone Number23 Aug 2014 #262

Seems plausible pscot Aug 2014 #207

Recommended (but only to piss off the perpetually & aggrieved game players). DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #216

It's the Post Garthem Aug 2014 #220

C'mon now, work with what you've got... brooklynite Aug 2014 #229

I know! Can you believe that Manny conveniently MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #230

... countryjake Aug 2014 #233

..... Garthem Aug 2014 #235

Man, I'm livin' large MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #238

That song's awesome, thanks! MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #237

Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person, like royalty? pnwmom Aug 2014 #241

and like Richard Nixon DURHAM D Aug 2014 #243

Because Manny is Bob Dole. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #245

People in love with themselves often do LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #252

OP and everyone who rec'ed this and those who attacked those who disputed it should apologize. stevenleser Aug 2014 #260