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Sarah Ibarruri

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48. The gun-lovers argument is that ultimately it's not things that cause damage - it's what people do

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 01:48 PM

Apr 2012

that causes the damage.

If that were applied, then we would be able to buy over the counter fission products (for the purpose making bombs), radioactive products, arsenic, and many other products that are dangerous.

None of these products go out by themselves and kill anyone.

They are used BY PEOPLE to kill others.

However, that is precisely why they're illegal and cannot be bought over the counter.

Very close tabs are kept on anyone who might or could have access to any of these products. It's not merely a matter of practicing with these products, then getting a license to buy as many as possible.

The same needs to apply to guns. Guns don't shoot themselves, but they are used by people to shoot other human beings.

I'm all for gun ownership being made illegal, or so difficult that guns eventually disappear except for hunting (which I find heinous, since we no longer rely on shooting animals to feed ourselves).

Gun laws need to include a requirement of a BRAND NEW LICENSE to be issued for each new gun that a person purchases.

If you have enough money to be buying a new gun, you sure as hell can afford to pay for a new license.

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"He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out" [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 OP

Major problem with privatization: No accountability because records are private! No way they'd know. freshwest Apr 2012 #1

does the Sanford PD protect the illegal house parties? grasswire Apr 2012 #2

Not to mention under table money zeemike Apr 2012 #6

That part was puzzling. How can it be illegal to have a party in a private home? freshwest Apr 2012 #11

I was trying to figure out what an illegal house party is, too TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #12

I hadn't thought of that, but it would fit. This case just gets sleazier all the time. freshwest Apr 2012 #13

alcohol to MINORS grasswire Apr 2012 #14

There are companies that exist to help homeowners break laws? And they call Martin a criminal? freshwest Apr 2012 #20

illegal house parties grasswire Apr 2012 #29

I think it makes more sense that he was working for an outcall stripper agency TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #26

Dad whined his son won't get to 'mentor children' anymore. He shouldn't be around children at all. freshwest Apr 2012 #31

Yup. House parties are big among the under 21 set. But this is the first I've heard of security... JVS Apr 2012 #32

the "security" is a protection racket, likely grasswire Apr 2012 #36

Every Rave i ever threw or worked for had some kind of security. It was nessesary. slampoet Apr 2012 #52

Which would explain how the cops knew him and protected him. aquart Apr 2012 #33

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2012 #3

I think *I* am going to have a party when they arrest this a-hole and a double-party Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #35

Nothing must interfere with the right to own, wield and shoot guns. enough Apr 2012 #4

Apparently the real gun control is that wielded by the NRA and gun-lovers over the rest of us Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #21

I never much cared about it in its less malignant form. But it's part and parcel of the anti-Obama freshwest Apr 2012 #27

I never saw it that way till you pointed it out. You're right - Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #34

coockoo bird! fascisthunter Apr 2012 #5

Plea bargains are a common cause. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #7

Why are gun rights not revoked BEFORE plea bargains? I don't get it. Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #25

About Zimmerman...does he live with his parents cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #8

the parents live in another community grasswire Apr 2012 #15

He's married with two young kids alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #16

Read the full story at this Huffington Post link. It's an eye opener: freshwest Apr 2012 #18

He's a psycho and he needs to be behind bars now. The Sanford PD and the State Atty Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #22

In my opinion, the best thing one can say about this dude is that he is the epitome of a TOTAL LOSER northoftheborder Apr 2012 #9

He's a loser, yes, but he's also a murderer. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #23

I think it's pretty obvious that he was working himself Mariana Apr 2012 #10

�These assholes always get away.� pokerfan Apr 2012 #19

Zimmerman apparently gets his jollies attacking and hurting others nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #24

It was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped. pokerfan Apr 2012 #17

My understanding of a "house party" is HeiressofBickworth Apr 2012 #28

That sounds more like a "rave". House parties are much lower key. JVS Apr 2012 #30

thanks for the clarification HeiressofBickworth Apr 2012 #37

I'd start by suing libodem Apr 2012 #38

That's what I think - that the asshole is in Peru, with the aid of the NRA, the Sanford PD, & the Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #39

Having a temper doesn't disqualify from anyone from buying a gun. As for the criminal record... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #40

"Having a temper" - isn't that an elegant way to say "anger management issues?" Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #41

"Having a temper" is what you posted as what was said about GZ. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #42

Weapons to kill (which is what guns are) should not be sold. However, if they absolutely must... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #43

I disagree. You must be from an area where guns are just bad things. I grew up around Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #47

The gun-lovers argument is that ultimately it's not things that cause damage - it's what people do Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #48

A gun's purpose is not solely to kill a person. We'll have to agree to disagree. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #49

Since we no longer rely on killing animals ourselves to eat them, guns have only one purpose Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #51

What would you say if deaths by guns were replaced with deaths by knives? Zalatix Apr 2012 #50

Heck no, here's why: Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #53

Neither, if they're good at wielding that weapon. Zalatix Apr 2012 #54

I wish I'd bet someone here you would refuse to answer Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #55

I did answer. I said, neither. You just don't like the answer. Zalatix Apr 2012 #56

And I asked if you were going to be attacked with either no matter what Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #57

I don't want my throat slit or a knife flying into my face any more than I want to be shot. Zalatix Apr 2012 #58

You're playing gun-defending games, so run along and play them with someone else nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #59

When a large man picks up a drunk girl...literally cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #44

One of my good friends is a former bar bouncer. Initech Apr 2012 #45

Seems as if he was always a loose cannon. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #46