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[BrotherIvan]

71. I was very surprised to see your posts on this

I had to check a couple of times because I always saw bigtree as an ardent supporter. But the posts in this thread are correct. So many people think their only cause is to defend the President against all criticism. I have never seen anything like it (except on the right). Defending a Democrat for doing things that would make you howl if a Republican did it?

Try it. Imagine for a moment Bush standing there saying, "We tortured some folks. After 9/11 it was scary so we made some mistakes. Quit being so sanctimonious." Can you imagine the reaction?

So why is it worthy of defense when President Obama does it? Why do some feel the need to defend his very blatant attempt to get out in front of the Senate report? Why is it cool for a President to betray his own party in favor of neocons? What on earth could make anyone here defend torture, rape and murder as well as spying on and lying to Congress? What on Earth?

I guess there will always be 23%ers. And like any blind, hypocritical partisans, they should not be allowed to derail all discussion, give "purity tests" such as was done to you, then gaslight everyone. I wish they would stay in their protected place and share photos with each other singing La La La La LA with their fingers in their ears. If you're willing to sell out every principle you have because you have some sort of crush on a celebrity figure, you're too far gone to be reasoned with.