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blackspade

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19. Sorry I can't rec.

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 02:39 PM

Aug 2014

Your central thesis is flawed.

Communism in the Soviet sense was a totalitarian single party state that had state run/managed capitalism.
It was not Communist by any stretch of the word.
Now, the actual communists in both Europe and the US gave successfully got a 40 hr work week, social security, bank regulation, and in Europe universal health care.

And what you are describing as libertarian is not a fringe element in our politics but the central core of it, unfortunately maintained by both the rethugs and the Democratic party.

However, your conclusion I do agree with: we have a system that has been corrupted by Wall Street and this corruption has to end for our constitutional democracy to survive.

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Libertarians and Communists: Two Sides of the Same Douchenozzle [View all] True Blue Door Aug 2014 OP

Terrific piece. You,sir or madam, are one hell of a writer hedda_foil Aug 2014 #1

Kick. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #2

Excellent post! riqster Aug 2014 #3

but we are in bed with Wall Street, us, the Democrats. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #4

We are the Democrats. We right here. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #5

No such thing as a liberal investor. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #9

That's a bit simplistic, and falls victim to ideological thinking. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #15

I have no problem with business. I support many. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #32

Okay, but where is this specific subject coming from? True Blue Door Aug 2014 #40

We're in an era without pensions. jeff47 Aug 2014 #23

I propose they continue what they are doing. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #31

So your solution is they should retire in poverty to make a political statement. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #35

I guess. If one considers being a liberal a political statement. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #49

You are demanding they don't use 401ks or other savings/investing tools jeff47 Aug 2014 #56

It is the same problem that plauged those invested in slavery. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #60

I'm not, but many of our Democratic leaders are. progressoid Aug 2014 #17

I consider myself a "Balance-atarian." The_Commonist Aug 2014 #6

Successful governance is all about not fetishizing means. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #11

"And, more importantly, make sure "the task" is set democratically" PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #48

And indeed it is. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #54

Thanks for cutting through the rhetoric to get to the results. Bravo. May I share this? freshwest Aug 2014 #7

Feel free. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #12

Thanks! freshwest Aug 2014 #55

It all comes down to energy and natural resources. gordianot Aug 2014 #8

Ain't it the truth? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #10

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #13

Libertarianism has as much to do with Communism as this post does with political reality. rug Aug 2014 #14

I explained what they have to do with each other. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #16

As a matter of fact you didn't. To wit: rug Aug 2014 #30

Thank you for this response. Facts matter. octoberlib Aug 2014 #33

You merely prove my point without realizing it. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #39

By your words, "the Perfect System and its acolytes" you've established you're simply rug Aug 2014 #50

both Libertarian and Communism DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #53

libertarians strike me as very odd. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #18

Sorry I can't rec. blackspade Aug 2014 #19

+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #21

^^ this. nt TBF Aug 2014 #24

Spot On, blackspade. Spot On. 2banon Aug 2014 #25

Communism is whatever Communists do and nothing more. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #27

Then by that logic, capitalism is what capitalists do and nothing more...... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #38

You continue to make my own points without realizing it. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #41

that poster wasn't seeing anything positive in the Soviet Union. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #44

Thank you Ken. At least someone knows how to read....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #45

I never said I "...belong among liberals". I don't belong there...... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #47

I have to agree, the OP needs to read more real history and less propaganda brochures. nt. Rex Aug 2014 #59

+1 octoberlib Aug 2014 #34

Rec you. PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #46

Is this your original writing, because it is awesome. Expletives at end paragraph notwithstanding Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #20

Yes, it is my writing. Why do people keep asking me that? True Blue Door Aug 2014 #28

Very well said. n/t Silent3 Aug 2014 #22

I've always pointed out, albeit less elegantly, Warpy Aug 2014 #26

Indeed, and trampling Mankind underfoot to their utter indifference. True Blue Door Aug 2014 #29

I see quite differently jamzrockz Aug 2014 #36

That is essentially the same thing Warpy Aug 2014 #37

Or, more to the point, those with means survive and label themselves True Blue Door Aug 2014 #42

The corruption of large-C Communism had nothing to do with utopianism or radicalism. Ken Burch Aug 2014 #43

The closing of the circle Peacetrain Aug 2014 #51

Utopianism is utopianism hifiguy Aug 2014 #52

Rec-ing for one of the best discussions/conversations I have read here in quite some time. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #57

Interestingly I was just on a thread about the dangers of all forms of religious fundamentalism... LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #58