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(27,670 posts)while inflicting pain on their victims at the time, and that there was powerful hatred partially motivating their actions.
And if I'm being *sanctimonious* by understanding that all these torturers were nothing but a bunch of sick, twisted fascist fucks, who got off on inflicting horrible pain on others, and me not condoning it because it is 100% inexcusable under any circumstances, then I'll consider my condition of *sanctimony* an honorable one.
Torturing people is unacceptable and is a heinous crime under any circumstance. The President might as well have told us that we shouldn't get all sanctimonious over Nazis torturing Jews or LGBT, because the poor fascist dears were under enormous pressure to do so under the circumstances at the time. It's not ok when we do it.
It's never OK.
The people and government of Iraq did nothing to harm the United States. The United States had a court appointed, completely mad, rich spoiled brat "leader" who heard and believed voices in his head that told him it was his special mission to free the people of Iraq by killing them and destroying their country.

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
And we're being condescendingly advised, like we are errant children, not to get too sanctimonious because we *don't really get it*, and may want to see some justice here?
And the real national ignominy of all this is that these heinous acts and murders were committed (under orders from a mad puppet lunatic) for no other reason than to further the profit interests of wealthy capitalist war profiteers.![]()