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278. It's more than unnatural, it's pathological denial.

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"Obama has governed as a conservative. So, the question for progressives is, �What do we do now?� [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

Obama has ProSense Apr 2012 #1

Which is why he vetoed the Bush "free" trade bills, MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #118

$h!tty thing is, if BHO "wins" in November, blkmusclmachine Apr 2012 #214

Oh bullshit, give the President a big Democratic majority in both houses of Congress xtraxritical Apr 2012 #249

Yes, I will do that, with my nose held, for the last time. dotymed Apr 2012 #259

Why do you think he'd do better with more Democrats MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #261

Like the one he had in 2008? nxylas Apr 2012 #266

He already had one in 2009-2010 Doctor_J Apr 2012 #290

The priorities have been to revive the economy. DCBob Apr 2012 #248

Offshoring more than 100,000 jobs MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #260

You can debate about the pros and cons of free trade but.. DCBob Apr 2012 #270

Most Dems like "free" trade? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #271

I think most Dems have voted for the free trade agreements we have in place. DCBob Apr 2012 #272

*Elected* Democrats like "free" trade MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #273

Elected Democrats are the legal representatives of Democrats. DCBob Apr 2012 #275

Yes, I have a huge problem with them MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #276

"far right nuts" DCBob Apr 2012 #282

By their fruits ye shall know them MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #283

You can't deny that free trade is a far-right concept Ken Burch Apr 2012 #348

"far-right nuts". FFS... SidDithers Apr 2012 #287

Would "far to the right of Reagan nuts" be more to your liking? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #291

Sid: How would you compare today's elected Democrats MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #292

The fact that most Democrats agree free trade does not mean free trade isn't conservative. white_wolf Apr 2012 #343

Thanks for setting me straight: I too had wondered if BHO had not governed as a conservative, if indepat Apr 2012 #139

Please read this, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002524525 xtraxritical Apr 2012 #250

Obama has been American First. Herlong Apr 2012 #155

Thank God, President Abraham Lincoln put preserving the union first . . . . JDPriestly Apr 2012 #206

Does it ever occur to you that you do more damage to your cause with Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #173

The PROGRESSIVES here on DU are not the real world progressives. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #198

DUers are better informed than others, progressive or not. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #208

LOL. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #342

Yup, and even more arguably leftist groups such as CPUSA TBF Apr 2012 #257

Very, very few presidents have used their veto power as rarely as Obama. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #205

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2012 #245

I'm with you! secondwind Apr 2012 #220

Obama is still a good candidate Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #328

This post is Bullshit Champion Jack Apr 2012 #2

Your reply is Bullshit just1voice Apr 2012 #59

lol, true quinnox Apr 2012 #66

Absolutely...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #125

yes, yours is... very good fascisthunter Apr 2012 #192

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Obama is the most Progressive president in history. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #200

Hardly. Both Roosevelts were fare more progressive for their time. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #209

FDR was blessed with super majorities in both houses. Kaleva Apr 2012 #213

Obama came in with lots of Democrats in Congress. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #279

But how many of those Dems were progressives? Kaleva Apr 2012 #347

The makeup of Congress HARDLY defines a President's progressiveness. MNBrewer Apr 2012 #344

Just how progressive would FDR have been without a super-majority in Congress? Kaleva Apr 2012 #345

I don't know MNBrewer Apr 2012 #346

Yeah, um, no. tavalon Apr 2012 #228

TAlk to me when Obama's "progressiveness" forces him to round up American citizens and FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #331

The nukes were dropped under Truman chrisa Apr 2012 #333

Who was also a progressive. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #340

I think you've introduced a paradox to the thread. JVS Apr 2012 #203

Indeed. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #311

No, I just want him to use the power he has according to the Constitution Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #312

Vote Romney? Webster Green Apr 2012 #3

FUD. MineralMan Apr 2012 #4

YOUR thread you refer to is pure FUD. GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #186

Obama did all these things. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #210

I guess you can just call Obama a conservative? gulliver Apr 2012 #5

Apparently you can these days. MineralMan Apr 2012 #7

Anyone who is opposed to the equal rights of any minority group is a conservative. Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #38

Every election demands decisions by voters. MineralMan Apr 2012 #67

Are you talking about his personal views on gay marriage? Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #187

Bill Clinton regularly gets lambasted here for his Republican lite policies. n/t EFerrari Apr 2012 #215

Is that why people regularly post that some conservative says they like him? just1voice Apr 2012 #13

I would say he has governed as a corporatist and a neocon. woo me with science Apr 2012 #76

Neo-fascist theocrats hate his guts. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #170

Quod erat demonstrandum. Which was to be shown or demonstrated. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #174

I think people were expecting a 180 degree turn aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #211

very good article - K&R quinnox Apr 2012 #6

This is ProSense Apr 2012 #9

This is not a good editorial. It is MineralMan Apr 2012 #12

its not. nt BootinUp Apr 2012 #34

good question. mopinko Apr 2012 #184

LOL! Watch all the partisan-at-all-cost heads explode now! just1voice Apr 2012 #8

Partisan-at-all-cost?! It's called DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #199

how ignorant showmethejedi Apr 2012 #235

The truth hurts. obxhead Apr 2012 #10

Congress, congress, congress. bemildred Apr 2012 #11

Exactly. It is time to go to work in your own legislative districts MineralMan Apr 2012 #14

Isn't it mostly too late for that? TMED Apr 2012 #218

Primaries still haven't happened in many states. MineralMan Apr 2012 #231

My point was that it's too late to affect who is running in those elections, for the 2012 election TMED Apr 2012 #262

We had an interesting thing happen in MineralMan Apr 2012 #267

Thanks for this, but the opportunity in your district depends on challengers who entered the race TMED Apr 2012 #288

You are correct lunatica Apr 2012 #23

Yes, Yes, Yes- Congress Congress Congress is "What We Do Now" NBachers Apr 2012 #85

He isn't going to get one. Maybe he can actually lead instead of following? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #119

Have a cookie, you'll feel better. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #132

What, exactly, do you think he can do? jeff47 Apr 2012 #240

Get on the TV, and in crowds all over the US Doctor_J Apr 2012 #277

And he's already done that for his infrastructure bill. jeff47 Apr 2012 #297

and why just stop with our nations congress.... happerbolic Apr 2012 #135

+1. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #165

Actually... woo me with science Apr 2012 #145

Correct Hawkowl Apr 2012 #195

obama does not need congress to prosecute bankers and war criminals. tomp Apr 2012 #219

He needs Congress not to be impeached. bemildred Apr 2012 #232

Since the hopelessly corrupt Bush was not impeached by the solidly Dem Congress Doctor_J Apr 2012 #305

Won't is not the same as Can't. bemildred Apr 2012 #341

Vote for Rmoney malaise Apr 2012 #15

Didn't bother to read the article .... did you? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #16

Is it different from everything else you post?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #46

Is your reply any different? just1voice Apr 2012 #171

they never do Skittles Apr 2012 #181

You didn't even bother reading the article. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #18

I read it. ProSense Apr 2012 #25

Pushing Obama to take more populist positions is bullshit? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #31

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #39

That's not in the article, it's just your convenient strawman projection. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #42

that reflex response is getting boring quinnox Apr 2012 #21

So are these threads n/t malaise Apr 2012 #137

from the article: me b zola Apr 2012 #113

this article demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of power and politics in america. unblock Apr 2012 #17

thank you for actually reading the article quinnox Apr 2012 #33

Power and politics in America is exactly what people are sick of just1voice Apr 2012 #45

of course. how many people are paid and rewarded to actually KEEP work from getting done? unblock Apr 2012 #49

Actually, the key is getting the corporate money out of the election system, woo me with science Apr 2012 #114

+1000. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #172

it's not just money, though that is a key part of how it works today. unblock Apr 2012 #182

And how do you do that? Through Congress. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #243

Won't happen until the people stand up and demand it. woo me with science Apr 2012 #301

Nice story but when I look at the matters he does have massive direct sway over TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #129

you make some excellent points here unblock Apr 2012 #180

obama is not pushing the progressive agenda to the people.... tomp Apr 2012 #221

the point is, it's not public opinion that needs swaying unblock Apr 2012 #238

I agree with almost everything you said. And I think many Americans now sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #265

interesting thought about it being global. that gives me hope as we can look to europe unblock Apr 2012 #295

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #329

Yes, the French Unions eg, practically shut down their country a few summers ago sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #330

yes, france is very good at that. just a few trucks parked sideways blocking the major highways unblock Apr 2012 #332

Sorry about the double post. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #334

if popular opinion is to the left of washington power.... tomp Apr 2012 #293

there's popular opinion and then there's the opinion of those who can influence elections unblock Apr 2012 #294

by your logic... tomp Apr 2012 #302

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #253

And the extension of the Bush Tax cuts? How does Congress excuse that? Marr Apr 2012 #316

i'm not following. are you suggesting that obama wanted to extend them? unblock Apr 2012 #320

+1, and +1 to the last two paragraphs of the full article, especially. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #19

Vote for mildly conservative Obama to block severely conservative Romney NAO Apr 2012 #20

The article IS for voting for Obama. You should read it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #24

I just wonder DevonRex Apr 2012 #22

Did you bother to read the full article? Doesn't look like it. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #27

I did. It's nothing but a discouragement of voting. MineralMan Apr 2012 #32

You're cherry picking, quoting half a sentence and pretending that's convincing to someone. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #37

Take a moment to think about this. jeff47 Apr 2012 #244

Of course I did. And I wonder why BBI printed the DevonRex Apr 2012 #74

Here we go again... Brooklyn Dame Apr 2012 #26

reading the article would be better quinnox Apr 2012 #29

Oh FFS. Keep trying...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #28

Be afraid. Always. randome Apr 2012 #30

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. MineralMan Apr 2012 #35

I remember all the Bushbots saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING just1voice Apr 2012 #57

Dunno. randome Apr 2012 #90

For the reflexive naysayers in the thread, woo me with science Apr 2012 #36

it may be a lost cause quinnox Apr 2012 #41

If nothing else, woo me with science Apr 2012 #44

I think it is unnatural to attempt to justify every move this president makes xiamiam Apr 2012 #159

Thank you. woo me with science Apr 2012 #160

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2012 #216

It's more than unnatural, it's pathological denial. whatchamacallit Apr 2012 #278

Absolutely. woo me with science Apr 2012 #298

Agree with all you say (and I'm older) sad sally Apr 2012 #285

It's ProSense Apr 2012 #47

self-delete pnwmom Apr 2012 #48

Evidence?! Hah! randome Apr 2012 #50

... woo me with science Apr 2012 #95

Obama is not perfect. randome Apr 2012 #103

If he is not perfect, woo me with science Apr 2012 #116

NOTHING wrong with that. randome Apr 2012 #130

Glad to hear you support pushing Obama to adopt progressive policies. woo me with science Apr 2012 #141

March on. Just don't forget to show up at the polls. MineralMan Apr 2012 #71

The problem is it's delusional. jeff47 Apr 2012 #247

The president, and many self-identifying Dems, think that if he runs as Reagan Doctor_J Apr 2012 #307

Lotta people suffering from Obama Criticism Derangement in this thread. READ the article. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #40

If I had to choose between this and Fox News it would be tough.nt BootinUp Apr 2012 #54

speaking of acronyms, OCDS is a new one quinnox Apr 2012 #75

OCDS is a keeper. OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Apr 2012 #317

Obama can't be a progressive dictator. If we want nothing but progressive legislation, pnwmom Apr 2012 #43

Usual suspects demgrrrll Apr 2012 #51

Oh be nice. DLC, blue dog hacks are people too. I suppose. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #53

lol quinnox Apr 2012 #55

Wait ProSense Apr 2012 #60

As are alleged "progressive" hacks..nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #62

Hee Hee! OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #112

Yup. All this in response to an article that merely advocates woo me with science Apr 2012 #80

Is it any wonder Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #115

Yup...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #134

Do we really have a choice? RC Apr 2012 #52

rec. KG Apr 2012 #56

lol, yes, this article is potentially causing thousands of votes to be lost! quinnox Apr 2012 #58

You folks forget...THERE'S A WAR ON! Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #91

�Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #61

So ProSense Apr 2012 #63

In b4 "the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot"...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #64

The one whose principals I most agree with. How about you? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #81

Lucky you. You live in a place where Obama's election is assured. MineralMan Apr 2012 #83

The same as John Quincy Adams. "Always vote for principle.." Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #87

Excellent reply. Too many of us have given in to the pressure to vote for the winner, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #177

Concentrate on electing more progressives and real liberals to congress abelenkpe Apr 2012 #65

Some people want Obama to lose. They just don't say so directly. MineralMan Apr 2012 #69

Yup. Their posting history makes that absolutely clear...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #126

I'd like to see him on the record as often as possible between now and the election. pa28 Apr 2012 #68

Maybe we can Primary Obama???? JoePhilly Apr 2012 #70

Why not just vote for him as the article suggests?!? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #72

The article ProSense Apr 2012 #77

There's actually no encouragement to vote in that article anyhow. MineralMan Apr 2012 #79

The notion ProSense Apr 2012 #84

The author has some other agenda, I think. MineralMan Apr 2012 #88

Maybe they're a Freeper Mole. I hear there's a lot of that about, lately. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #94

Sure, by also suggesting that Boehner stopped Obama's evil JoePhilly Apr 2012 #86

The more you read, the more you understand, huh? MineralMan Apr 2012 #89

Hahahaha ... exactly ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #110

You read it correctly, I think. MineralMan Apr 2012 #169

I hear Dennis Kucinich is available. MineralMan Apr 2012 #73

Figure out how to get a populist elected in 2016 n/t eridani Apr 2012 #78

And in the meantime? What do you suggest? MineralMan Apr 2012 #82

Exactly what the article says. woo me with science Apr 2012 #121

Bingo. Beat me to it n/t eridani Apr 2012 #136

For some reason, bvar22 Apr 2012 #161

I couldn't agree more Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #207

+1 (n/t) a2liberal Apr 2012 #92

This crap is so old it stinks. asjr Apr 2012 #93

in case you hadn't noticed, fresh crap stinks, too. nt tomp Apr 2012 #223

Actually there is no question about it, we vote for the POTUS. Rex Apr 2012 #96

Ah fuck it sharp_stick Apr 2012 #97

Don't do it! randome Apr 2012 #99

It was an empty threat sharp_stick Apr 2012 #166

Or beyond learning. RC Apr 2012 #242

That's Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #106

Just pissed off sharp_stick Apr 2012 #167

Ignore only until it's officially election season at DU...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #117

LOL- and then what? A "great cleansing fire" will come, Sid? Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #120

At that time, an official list of adjectives with which woo me with science Apr 2012 #127

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #131

Discussing actual policies is not "bashing." woo me with science Apr 2012 #133

You agreed to those Terms of Service when DU3 started up...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #138

So you are claiming that posting actual policies by this President woo me with science Apr 2012 #142

No, that's not what I'm claiming...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #143

You'd think he'd just alert on posts in this thread and check the ToS box instead of these... Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #144

It's not officially election season yet...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #148

LOL! I'll letcha in on a little secret: The admins can ban anyone, anytime they think they need to. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #152

The admins won't ban posters for no reason... SidDithers Apr 2012 #153

ROFL @ the "It's a good life" riff. I've been chuckling about that since yesterday. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #281

I guess we'll see, won't we...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #128

My ignore list sharp_stick Apr 2012 #168

Pssst! Hey, clam up willya? There's a WAR ON! Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #98

ouch, that image quinnox Apr 2012 #100

What is the viable alternative to Obama? Rex Apr 2012 #105

. ProSense Apr 2012 #107

HA! Rex Apr 2012 #149

Really? DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #175

you're insane. nt tomp Apr 2012 #224

Nobody's asking that question, save you. The article is about putting pressure on Obama to... Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #108

You can't force a damn thing. jeff47 Apr 2012 #252

Well, that about sums it up, doesn't it? woo me with science Apr 2012 #109

Vote for Obama, and hope that when he is in his second term, Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #101

well said, you basically summed up the article in one opening sentence quinnox Apr 2012 #102

"we?" Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #104

Obama is a moderate conservative. He has some liberal stands, some conservative. alfredo Apr 2012 #111

I don't consider indefinite detention, woo me with science Apr 2012 #154

Obama only benefits from attacks from progressives maximusveritas Apr 2012 #122

++++! We can't just let the cons get away with the socialism card. alp227 Apr 2012 #157

This is precisely why Obama isn't really worried about attacks from the left. joshcryer Apr 2012 #197

I have only now gotten around to reading 'The Shock Doctrine' me b zola Apr 2012 #124

Everyone should read it. woo me with science Apr 2012 #156

Dislike. And dislike for liberals who write this junk pasto76 Apr 2012 #140

there's a HUGE difference... tomp Apr 2012 #225

Here we go....again. *&^^%% jaysunb Apr 2012 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Apr 2012 #147

What bullshit. Zax2me Apr 2012 #150

What will I do? Vote for him of course. And so will any other progressive with a tiny fucking cali Apr 2012 #151

"thanks BBI for not giving a fuck about those of us in poverty" ??? Is President Obama campaigning Better Believe It Apr 2012 #164

We re-elect him and make a stink WHENEVER he pushes for right wing policies. stillwaiting Apr 2012 #158

I disagree on the conservative part, IMO he has governed as a blue dog Autumn Apr 2012 #162

"We?" You speak for a small part of an ever smaller fringe. great white snark Apr 2012 #163

How can it be a voter suppressive article? Obama has actualy Autumn Apr 2012 #176

History clearly shows that the majority are almost always wrong. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #178

Why settle for less Marley01 Apr 2012 #179

t.t.t. spanone Apr 2012 #183

OWS has the right idea on where we have to go, especially with the unchecked mmonk Apr 2012 #185

Not correct, he has governed as a conservative on national security related issues and a moderate... usregimechange Apr 2012 #188

K&R Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #189

we should all clap our hands and chant, "One of us" fascisthunter Apr 2012 #190

Obama has to work with the congress we give him FreeBC Apr 2012 #191

please exclude me from your BS "we" fascisthunter Apr 2012 #193

So President Obama didn't have enough Democrats in the House and Senate in 2009-2010? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #194

Not enough progressive Dems that's for sure Kaleva Apr 2012 #212

No, he didn't jeff47 Apr 2012 #254

"there were a lot of Blue Dog morons in Congress." bvar22 Apr 2012 #269

Yep, it's good they're gone jeff47 Apr 2012 #296

Arkansas 2010 was toss. bvar22 Apr 2012 #314

Thank you. nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #299

Also the Blue Dogs were voted out while real Dems held their seats Doctor_J Apr 2012 #308

In the Senate, not really... Hippo_Tron Apr 2012 #264

He campaigned as a center right post-partisan. joshcryer Apr 2012 #196

WTF? Such ridiculousness NashvilleLefty Apr 2012 #201

Talk to Flo. She works for Progressive. Maybe she can help you. Kablooie Apr 2012 #202

LOL! randome Apr 2012 #241

I guess I have to go with a conservative over a fascist. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #204

No Real Choice but to Vote for Obama Dilldoe Apr 2012 #217

Obama ran as a Progressive, but he was forced to be PRAGMATIC secondwind Apr 2012 #222

Good grief!!! polmaven Apr 2012 #226

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #227

It's hard to take comments like this seriously. DCBob Apr 2012 #229

so, what is a "hard" liberal? newspeak Apr 2012 #236

A liberal who is more liberal than most liberals. DCBob Apr 2012 #239

I know what we don't do. Zalatix Apr 2012 #230

Get elected to state legislatures treestar Apr 2012 #233

Obama Has Governed as Progressively As Possible Yavin4 Apr 2012 #234

Are "moderate" Democrats like Evan Bayh really much more conservative than Barack Obama? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #246

Yes. To ask that question demonstrates you're really not paying attention. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #256

Thsnk You. Evan Bayh Would Not Have Even Touched Health Care At All. Yavin4 Apr 2012 #286

"Evan Bayh Would Not Have Even Touched Health Care At All." He voted for Obama's health care bill! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #304

lesson time. showmethejedi Apr 2012 #237

i have a republican eal. and not a teaparty one. an old school republican. pansypoo53219 Apr 2012 #251

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #255

Here's a ProSense Apr 2012 #258

What do we do? Elect progressives to local offices who won't go along with the neocons saras Apr 2012 #263

Strawman... ElboRuum Apr 2012 #268

What NOT To Do is Vote for Romney or Stay Home! Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #274

But neither the OP, the article, nor anyone else is espousing that idea. Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #280

They understand that. It doesn't matter. Critical thought is discouraged. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #284

The irony in this post is Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #303

Here is something the true believers need to come to grips with Doctor_J Apr 2012 #289

Not only ProSense Apr 2012 #300

Look, if you want to blame someone for not getting single-payer Daniel537 Apr 2012 #306

We didn't need 60 votes Doctor_J Apr 2012 #309

That's ProSense Apr 2012 #310

And it has been explained to you a thousand times that if Obama had negotiated Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #313

Oh yeah, ProSense Apr 2012 #315

Your response failed to adress these specific points. bvar22 Apr 2012 #318

You really think Joe Liberman, proud endorser of John McPain, Senator of Aetna, Daniel537 Apr 2012 #319

I said that single-payer would not have resulted, but a public option Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #322

Lieberman was never going to vote for either of those. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #324

Then Obama should have called him out and publicly blamed him Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #325

Well see now that's a whole different issue. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #327

So he should have called them out, too, and told their constituents that Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #335

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #321

Re-read my post, which you seem to have misunderstood Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #323

Actually ProSense Apr 2012 #326

The way Reagan got Democrats to vote for his positions Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #336

I've never bought into that "Weak President" nonsense, bvar22 Apr 2012 #338

Marvelous post. woo me with science Apr 2012 #339

Exactly. 51 Senate votes and support rather than opposition from President Obama was needed. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #337