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Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:17 PM

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forums. The expanded SOP seems to be working well and that makes it much easier.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Aug 2014 OP

If nothing else, your posts are sincere, in good faith and well morningfog Aug 2014 #1

There is a vast difference ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #4

That was very well put. n/t bvf Aug 2014 #7

What do you think the President should do about the war crimes of the Bush administration? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #75

So are we going to prosecute those he now admits were responsible sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #23

Probably not, I will still vote for ANY Democrat over ANY republican in EVERY election randys1 Aug 2014 #78

Seems your justification for attacking a DU poster is that you disagree. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #74

It wasn't a matter of "disagreement". NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #77

Bigtree didn't attribute a non-existent quote to the President. Vattel Aug 2014 #89

Well, at least they didn't gang-up on you and have your post hidden. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #2

Nice try. NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #3

Obama's words: DeSwiss Aug 2014 #17

Seems pretty obvious on its face. NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #69

You misunderstand. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #72

+1 ~ I strongly suspect that those who committed acts of torture took perverse pleasure Zorra Aug 2014 #88

And we'll be sanctimonious together! DeSwiss Aug 2014 #91

"It's never okay." woo me with science Aug 2014 #102

That is a FACT, the torturers as we saw in the photos from Abu Ghraib, enjoyed sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #114

No one is claiming that all of "our law enforcement and our national security teams" rhett o rick Aug 2014 #86

I don't disagree ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #87

Your mincing words. I agree with bigtree and think your reference to FoxNews bullshit a low rhett o rick Aug 2014 #97

Your interpretation does not make sense. Yes, he was talking Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #98

Thank you. You said it much better than I could. Her interpretation also doen't make sense rhett o rick Aug 2014 #105

I don't know what you think I have said ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #107

Who is US, and what should US/WE not feel sanctimonious about? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #112

Torture is an issue, is it not? I read what the president said now that there is no way sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #25

lack of courage wasn't the reason for deleting the post bigtree Aug 2014 #70

I never characterized ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #73

differences of opinion bigtree Aug 2014 #76

I have not expressed my personal opinion ... NanceGreggs Aug 2014 #81

on that opinion, we disagree bigtree Aug 2014 #84

I have a suggestion BainsBane Aug 2014 #5

We can't change the past. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #6

Absolutely not. Not here, not from Democrats. Maybe in China, Russia, N. Korea w/ single party rule whereisjustice Aug 2014 #8

Have you watched the shock doctrine? littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #9

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #10

Here's my world. I would hardly characterize it as a "cesspool of corruption" littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #13

Perspective: NC is one of the 29 States in which it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #19

And your point is... littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #26

... littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #28

That link says what I said about NC. Very bad laws about LGBT people, no protections and this Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #32

By participating in Moral Mondays smartypants is working for change mcar Aug 2014 #34

Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #40

You are welcome mcar Aug 2014 #59

I just don't get your beef. I wish I could. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #39

Did you go? SMC22307 Aug 2014 #109

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #11

Great post bigtree. I found it disingenuous that your post was parsed .... Scuba Aug 2014 #12

We are getting closer and closer to the point where we must decide whose side we are on. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #41

Next time I'll use three s's, it'll average out. Scuba Aug 2014 #42

With my spelling inability, I wouldn't notice without spell check. Actually, I am on my third spell rhett o rick Aug 2014 #48

It's very difficult to effectively proofread one's own work. Scuba Aug 2014 #51

I was tested as a child and found out that I had a defective spelling jene. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #54

+1 ...should be it's own op. L0oniX Aug 2014 #65

parsing is a tactic, an annoying tactic grasswire Aug 2014 #62

Another tactic is saying that "my opinion is the truth and if you disagree you are a right-winger, rhett o rick Aug 2014 #108

And another tactic is... cui bono Aug 2014 #124

A rational person cannot defend the Indefensible Demeter Aug 2014 #14

Irrational and easily agitated, apparently. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #15

Bigtree, thank you for your interesting and thoughtful posts. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #16

I've watched many good folks struggle with this president - TBF Aug 2014 #18

It's interesting that you gloss over the process by which LGBT issues made progress Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #21

Oh please, Bluenorthwest! Even when the president finally did the right thing by the LGBT Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #27

Thank you for demonstrating my point so exactingly. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #30

I didn't attack you Blue. I attacked how you think. Now, address what I wrote. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #33

No, you delivered a diatratribe against me, you have no idea how I think or who I love Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #36

Obama was dragged, kicking and screaming, into acceptance of LGBTQ equality Maedhros Aug 2014 #79

Who fucking cares?!? He still did the right thing and he is STILL doing the right thing! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #93

Why on earth would you think I'm giving Clinton a pass on anything? He's the bastard that signed Maedhros Aug 2014 #104

I think if DU existed (and a more extensive internet) during President Clinton's term in office davidpdx Aug 2014 #119

It's not meant to be a "gloss over" - I was trying to keep my reply TBF Aug 2014 #29

The folks did not become more supportive without much effort on the part of many people Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #37

Insightful post, bigtree. Thank you. democrank Aug 2014 #20

As a very strong and ardent supporter of the president, I can't argue with this OP. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #22

"many of the president's critics who do so out of pure derision, hatred, and for reasons other than Maedhros Aug 2014 #80

That's not the definition of straw man. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #94

Umm...you sure? Maedhros Aug 2014 #101

That OP was longer than 50 Shades of Gray Orrex Aug 2014 #24

And for some, there are no shades of gray here. progressoid Aug 2014 #31

Most DUers agree with you, especially your last paragraph. Don't let those who sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #35

I agree. I wish I could ignore them as well as you do, but they destroy honest, decent, liberal rhett o rick Aug 2014 #43

In many ways those who want no criticism provide an opportunity to sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #44

I disagree. Those that want no criticism don't add anything yet cause a huge distraction. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #46

I agree regarding your assessment of the goals. But since it is a reality that sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47

But of course you are absolutely correct, but it requires self control. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #52

It definitely requires self control, I totally agree with you on hat. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #113

This. Puglover Aug 2014 #60

heh nt grasswire Aug 2014 #111

LOL, yeah, you have always been a BIG supporter snooper2 Aug 2014 #38

Well said bigtree. We can't let those bent on stifling discussions that go against their rhett o rick Aug 2014 #45

Some of those 'folks' were women also who were raped and tortured. As Sy Hersch sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #50

The President is fully aware of the magnitude of the horror and we can only surmise. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #55

You are always able to see all sides of an issue or a politician, one of the few people Autumn Aug 2014 #49

Yes for some it's easier to disparage than dispute. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #82

Hey rhett. Hows everything? Autumn Aug 2014 #83

I feel bad for those that have backed themselves into apologizing for the torturers. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #99

I don't see much of a difference so far in terms of hosts doing all the main Autumn Aug 2014 #100

What? You mean no drama? Good. Hope it continues to run smoothly. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #103

I think having no group host input has really helped. Autumn Aug 2014 #106

'If I've lost bigtree, I've lost Middle America.' Newsjock Aug 2014 #53

I'm lost Sheepshank Aug 2014 #57

Torture is a war crime and crime against humanity, its supporters are criminals Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #56

Now, now. Don't be so black-and-white. The world is 50 Shades of Gray! Haha! WinkyDink Aug 2014 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #58

To me the argument is this: are torturers now above the law? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #61

According to Obama, yes zipplewrath Aug 2014 #64

But...but.... Atty. Yoo said the law allowed it! He even stapled his memos to the Constitution! WinkyDink Aug 2014 #67

now, now don't be sanctimonious noiretextatique Aug 2014 #85

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #63

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, ... L0oniX Aug 2014 #68

I was very surprised to see your posts on this BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #71

What I found comical about the attacks on you Vattel Aug 2014 #90

Good. Because defending the President, a twice elected Democrat, is a waste of time at DU. Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #92

It sounds like there may be some rightwing overtones here, MUST. BE. BANNED!!! LOL Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #95

JESUS H .... sunnystarr Aug 2014 #96

Rather than attacking others who hold different positions and opinions emsimon33 Aug 2014 #110

You don't need permission to be objective or jaysunb Aug 2014 #115

1500 words bigtree Aug 2014 #116

I was pretty clear. jaysunb Aug 2014 #118

thanks for the comments, jaysub bigtree Aug 2014 #120

Your headline doesn't match the content of your OP apples and oranges Aug 2014 #117

I dunno bigtree Aug 2014 #122

brilliant post. dionysus Aug 2014 #121

I want to thank everyone who responded to this for your engaging and thoughtful comments bigtree Aug 2014 #123

Torture should be prosecuted. Rex Aug 2014 #125