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Spitfire of ATJ

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75. "in the uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public"

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:21 PM

Aug 2014

They accuse the messenger of being an antisemite.

If it comes from an Israeli they claim it's from a "self hating Jew".

If it comes from an independent third party they claim they are "ignorant".

.....and so it goes.

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Chris Hedges: Why Israel Lies [View all] marmar Aug 2014 OP

The atrocities to which Hedges claims to have witnessed helps explain closeupready Aug 2014 #1

The De-Facto American rules of journalism that Chuck Todd openly acknowledged. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #15

+1 Johonny Aug 2014 #17

They are paid VERY well to sell us shit sandwiches, huh. closeupready Aug 2014 #20

''Integrity is for paupers.'' -- the late Tim Russert (attributed) Octafish Aug 2014 #37

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #130

I hope the ghosts of Murrow and Cronkite haunt this hifiguy Aug 2014 #60

What a load of BS. The whole point of journalism is to seek and expose the truth. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #68

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #128

Thanks for the thanks, Enthusiast. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #129

Lies are the least of the crimes this Israel government commits. CtDemoFarmer Aug 2014 #36

+ 1 russspeakeasy Aug 2014 #113

For access: "IDF Censor Tells NY Times It Cannot Report It Killed 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #132

What a glowing review of hamas seveneyes Aug 2014 #2

Pithy pithy pith pith! sibelian Aug 2014 #3

"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. " marmar Aug 2014 #4

Or..."keeping your eyes shut is worse than being blind." nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #48

No sense of irony, I take it? nt bemildred Aug 2014 #5

No sense, just irony for the rest of us. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #7

Gaza is one of the most crowded places in the world magical thyme Aug 2014 #8

There is no military in Gaza like in Israel. It is all civilian. upaloopa Aug 2014 #29

The list of Palestinian terror attacks is extremely long. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #34

What does the murder of 10 year old boys have to do with Palestinian terrorism? The Second Stone Aug 2014 #41

After the Second Intifada, Israel built a wall to keep out Palestinian JDPriestly Aug 2014 #54

We're talking about the genocidal murder to 10 year old boys in Gaza The Second Stone Aug 2014 #66

What solution do you support? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #74

Criminal prosecution in the Hague for crimes against humanity for the people issuing the orders The Second Stone Aug 2014 #85

For both sides? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #87

if someone told you MFM008 Aug 2014 #71

And if Israelis are sleeping with one eye open, how will that help JDPriestly Aug 2014 #73

Bulldozing homes and olive groves to make the wall were a vicious act of war arikara Aug 2014 #117

Would you like to see everyone live in peace in the Palestine/Israel JDPriestly Aug 2014 #123

if they want peace lofty1 Aug 2014 #43

The Israelis would answer that they tried that and that the Palestinians JDPriestly Aug 2014 #52

Israel haters have built a wall of their own seveneyes Aug 2014 #53

I have asked the following question a number of times and received JDPriestly Aug 2014 #55

Under International law THAT IS THE RULE. happyslug Aug 2014 #118

I was asking about the Israeli refugees. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #119

The rule had been even before adoption of that resolution, return to home country UNLESS... happyslug Aug 2014 #120

It would have been very unsafe for Jewish people to return to parts of JDPriestly Aug 2014 #121

My point is they had THAT OPTION, an option denied to the Palestinians. happyslug Aug 2014 #124

And my point is that they did not have that option. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #125

Millions of Palestinians were killed by Europeans? happyslug Aug 2014 #138

Your question: JDPriestly Aug 2014 #139

The UN NEVER said the Israelis could kick out the Palestinians, happyslug Aug 2014 #140

Stunning to see this posted here oberliner Aug 2014 #141

I notice you ignored my comment about what to do about the Palestinians Refugees. happyslug Aug 2014 #142

Those are the questions that should be raised in negotiations. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #143

But we are looking at 5 million, maybe 10 million people. happyslug Aug 2014 #144

Present day Israel is not large enough for 10 million Palestinians either. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #145

They have to go SOMEPLACE, and that place has to be willing to accept them happyslug Aug 2014 #147

It's a real mess. Some of them could come here. But we could not take in 10 million refugees. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #148

How many of the Palestinians would have ancestral homes in the JDPriestly Aug 2014 #146

"the Israelis would respond that the" The Second Stone Aug 2014 #70

Maybe what Israel was offering to the Palestinians was not what they wanted. lofty1 Aug 2014 #95

Let's not bicker and fight about who killed who elehhhhna Aug 2014 #76

I wouldn't normally, but DU seems to have distanced itself JDPriestly Aug 2014 #81

But without the immoral Occupation of Palestinian territory by the Israelis, truedelphi Aug 2014 #84

Please tell me what you believe to be the immoral occupation of JDPriestly Aug 2014 #86

You are speaking as though the foundation of what I am talking about was a moral foundation. truedelphi Aug 2014 #91

Remember the period pre-Second Intifada? JDPriestly Aug 2014 #100

henry Siegman has pointed out that Israel leaders actually refused truedelphi Aug 2014 #102

Thank you for your post. n/t kiranon Aug 2014 #94

You've spent a lot of time in Gaza? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #45

A realistic taste of life in Gaza seveneyes Aug 2014 #46

Right now the realistic life there is no power, homes gone, almost 2000 dead Marrah_G Aug 2014 #50

"...drones overhead made us super paranoid that anywhere we went, we might get blown to bits..." Electric Monk Aug 2014 #57

give us your eyewitness report demigoddess Aug 2014 #51

yep obxhead Aug 2014 #61

A reporter stating a fact, what he himself saw as opposed to the propaganda sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #114

Wow - he went a whole 2 paragraphs before comparing Israel to Nazi Germany oberliner Aug 2014 #6

If der Schuh fits Orrex Aug 2014 #9

Such comparisons are not automatically invalid MNBrewer Aug 2014 #10

They may be, however, a clue. (nt) reACTIONary Aug 2014 #97

Hey, a Big Lie by any other name... Rozlee Aug 2014 #12

Thank you..If I hear one more time that "Israel has to protect itself" whathehell Aug 2014 #135

Wow! you had to search that far, how tiring for you intaglio Aug 2014 #14

It wasn't tiring oberliner Aug 2014 #16

are you in support of Israel's current military actions Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #19

Here are my views on that oberliner Aug 2014 #22

Lying to yourself is the worse thing a person can do. upaloopa Aug 2014 #30

I agree oberliner Aug 2014 #32

"Israel would never..." Okay. Let's look at this from the exactly opposite point of view. DetlefK Aug 2014 #31

But why? oberliner Aug 2014 #33

There are many reasons. DetlefK Aug 2014 #38

Which of those reasons do you think applies in this case? oberliner Aug 2014 #58

I think, it's a combination. DetlefK Aug 2014 #131

It's how right wingers stay in power. JoeyT Aug 2014 #39

thanks nt Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #62

"is just absolutely preposterous" - True, that. (nt) reACTIONary Aug 2014 #98

You are still flailing intaglio Aug 2014 #24

I don't blame the messenger for anything oberliner Aug 2014 #25

I think the Nazi comparison is a subtle form of irony on the author's part. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2014 #40

One whole sentence of genocide denial. The Second Stone Aug 2014 #42

I'm not outraged by the verbal comparison oberliner Aug 2014 #59

It is apt and it is genocide The Second Stone Aug 2014 #67

Your position is that the comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is an apt one? oberliner Aug 2014 #103

Most of the world sees it that way. Israel is despised around the world The Second Stone Aug 2014 #115

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2014 #13

Yes, and it is Flat out Racism. 2banon Aug 2014 #21

Always demonize and dehumanize your supposed enemy. Typical tact throughout all history. L0oniX Aug 2014 #18

We did it in Viet Nam, Iraq, Central Ameria 2banon Aug 2014 #23

Indeed. Who was the real "savage". L0oniX Aug 2014 #26

And in Central America, if you examine the situation, you realize that truedelphi Aug 2014 #83

I didn't know that. 2banon Aug 2014 #96

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #27

It hurts some of us deeply to see what Israel has become RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #28

Bibi and his goons are duplicitous LIARS malaise Aug 2014 #35

du rec. xchrom Aug 2014 #44

Chris Hedges: Why Birds Fly and Fish Swim mwrguy Aug 2014 #47

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #49

I'm shielding myself from this BelgianMadCow Aug 2014 #72

If you carefully examine that expression, "US hand over Israel" - well, truedelphi Aug 2014 #89

I do not think that the United States will abandon Israel. Laelth Aug 2014 #134

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #56

Kick & Recommend! countryjake Aug 2014 #63

This statement by Hedges clarifies the Israeli approach to Gaza... KansDem Aug 2014 #64

I Believe Hedges Here.... supercats Aug 2014 #65

He was an eye-witness to Israeli soldiers murdering children mokawanis Aug 2014 #69

"in the uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #75

I am just trying to learn here, this comment from Hedges seems weird though randys1 Aug 2014 #77

Israel's "Human Shield" Hypocrisy Galraedia Aug 2014 #80

Thanks for this, I am checking with my Jewish friend, who is aligned with J Street randys1 Aug 2014 #82

Please check with an up to date World Atlas as well. truedelphi Aug 2014 #90

Everyone is so packed into Gaza that there isn't much that is non-civilian Marrah_G Aug 2014 #88

And that's if you include the 40% or so of Gaza... blackspade Aug 2014 #92

Yes- I forgot about that Marrah_G Aug 2014 #93

" . . . Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives . . . " Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #78

Kicking for those who might open their eyes a bit more… and those... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #79

Until it's shown on CNN ... Babel_17 Aug 2014 #99

If only he had credibility Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #101

If he's lying, then the IDF is the most poorly trained, incompetent, bumbling countryjake Aug 2014 #104

he was reprimanded by his employer, the New York Times for speaking out against the Iraq War Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #105

He has been caught lying several times Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #107

Little secret. Most journalists spin stories toward a certain point of view..... marmar Aug 2014 #108

Means nothing Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #109

but you don't have any evidence to back up your claims, do you? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #110

Yes Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #111

His appearance on Bill Moyers? Are you joking? countryjake Aug 2014 #112

EXCELLENT INTERVIEW!! - But, I have no idea what the poster you are addressing is talking about Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #122

Me either. countryjake Aug 2014 #133

Yes. The military calls it PSYOPS underthematrix Aug 2014 #127

K & R GoneFishin Aug 2014 #106

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #116

Here's what I don't get - underthematrix Aug 2014 #126

Israel lies because they are hiring US political consultants expert at manipulating whereisjustice Aug 2014 #136

How do we, as a nation, avoid a national forum about this? Babel_17 Aug 2014 #137