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In reply to the discussion: Congratulations, Hamas. [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)24. This represents a very fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, I am afraid.
A misunderstanding that seems very common to US discourse on the issue.
The current escalation began with the abduction of three Israeli teenagers from settlements in the West Bank.
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Another fact that is less known but perhaps more important is that within hours of the three teens disappearance on June 12, Israeli officials knew that they were dead. Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a phony rescue effort, instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.
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The blame for their abduction immediately went to Hamas, which denied any involvement in the kidnapping. Israel has offered no concrete proof to implicate Hamas instead identifying as its prime suspects a rogue faction with a history of defying Hamas leadership and sabotaging the groups peace-building efforts. They were identified early on, meaning that Israel knew full well that neither Hamas nor its armed wing (al-Qassam Brigades) were behind the boys disappearance.
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On June 17, Israel rearrested 50 Palestinian prisoners set free in 2011 as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner swap with Hamas a bold provocation that violates its armistice with Hamas. Without cause, the IDF also rounded up a number of clerics, intellectuals and politicians affiliated with or known to be sympathetic toward Hamas. It also raided hundreds of Palestinian sites, including homes, businesses, universities and clinics in the process pillaging more than $3 million in cash and property, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
In mid-June, in preparation for the reprisal attacks from Hamas that the IDF was attempting to provoke, it moved its Iron Dome batteries into southern Israeli cities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu then called on Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to dissolve the unity government with Hamas reiterating previous threats of punitive measures unless the union is suspended. Meanwhile, the IDF began calling up reserve troops in anticipation of the ground assault.
All these provocations came weeks before Hamas fired the first rockets into Israel.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/israel-hamas-palestiniansconflictunitedstatesinternationallaw.html
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Another fact that is less known but perhaps more important is that within hours of the three teens disappearance on June 12, Israeli officials knew that they were dead. Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a phony rescue effort, instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.
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The blame for their abduction immediately went to Hamas, which denied any involvement in the kidnapping. Israel has offered no concrete proof to implicate Hamas instead identifying as its prime suspects a rogue faction with a history of defying Hamas leadership and sabotaging the groups peace-building efforts. They were identified early on, meaning that Israel knew full well that neither Hamas nor its armed wing (al-Qassam Brigades) were behind the boys disappearance.
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On June 17, Israel rearrested 50 Palestinian prisoners set free in 2011 as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner swap with Hamas a bold provocation that violates its armistice with Hamas. Without cause, the IDF also rounded up a number of clerics, intellectuals and politicians affiliated with or known to be sympathetic toward Hamas. It also raided hundreds of Palestinian sites, including homes, businesses, universities and clinics in the process pillaging more than $3 million in cash and property, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
In mid-June, in preparation for the reprisal attacks from Hamas that the IDF was attempting to provoke, it moved its Iron Dome batteries into southern Israeli cities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu then called on Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to dissolve the unity government with Hamas reiterating previous threats of punitive measures unless the union is suspended. Meanwhile, the IDF began calling up reserve troops in anticipation of the ground assault.
All these provocations came weeks before Hamas fired the first rockets into Israel.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/israel-hamas-palestiniansconflictunitedstatesinternationallaw.html
If anyone is responsible for provocation in bringing on the conflict? It's the Israeli government. For some reason, however, the common narrative in the USA in relation to this situation seems to almost inevitably be some variation of the following: Israel is the innocent victim of unprovoked and irrational aggression on the part of militant extremists. Israel's actions re the populations of the occupied territories, and Israel's continued and repeated actions in doing things like further expanding settlements in contravention of international law have absolutely no bearing, somehow.
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with all due respect exactly what has Israel 'lost' here, what has Hamas 'won'?
azurnoir
Aug 2014
#17
Likud v. HAmas will only move into a cold war stage, waiting for the next hot war between the ...
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#3
It used to be easier to defend Israel's oppression of the Palestinians. Now that the world
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#56
Hamas did not win. US policy, as far as I can tell, has not changed one iota.
lovemydog
Aug 2014
#16
This represents a very fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, I am afraid.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2014
#24
Israel does lie. And the innocent victims are Palestinian civilians and children.
DanTex
Aug 2014
#51
I see, they should visibly travel in open areas and get bombed. Even Hamas isn't that stupid
eridani
Aug 2014
#86
What proportion of those open spaces are occupied by the IDF, part of the new
stranger81
Aug 2014
#87
I am afraid no good answers....although all side making peace would be nice..
EX500rider
Aug 2014
#92
I ask this question because I've been trying to find the answer myself for some time,
stranger81
Aug 2014
#93
I would venture to say that the innocent Palestinian people have gained support
justiceischeap
Aug 2014
#64
Hamas had not fired rockets for 19 months. And it was 3 teens that Hamas DIDN'T kill that gave
magical thyme
Aug 2014
#57
The Palestinians shouldn't fight back, ever, just lay there and take it.
The Straight Story
Aug 2014
#60
Just finished watching Blitzer's interview of Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker in the Knesset
aint_no_life_nowhere
Aug 2014
#81
He kept asking the guy to own up to his previous statements about shipping Gazans off to the Sinai
aint_no_life_nowhere
Aug 2014
#94