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32. Ah, but who goaded the conflict

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 05:05 AM

Aug 2014

Simplistic idiocies like yours ignore many things. The rockets were a response to IDF violence and revenge following the abduction of the 3 hitch hikers.

The abduction of the hitch hikers was committed by an isolated group who were given up by the Palestinian Authority but the IDF blamed Hamas.

The isolated group were acting from the same revenge fantasies that have driven settler attacks and Israeli oppression.

The settlers are confronting Palestinians because they believe they have the absolute right to occupy Palestinian land and, largely, have the support of Likud.

The whole sorry tale on the Palestinian side goes back to the Nakba, the tale on the Israeli side is sourced from the terrible oppression the Jewish peoples suffered in Europe.

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Congratulations, Hamas. [View all] RandySF Aug 2014 OP

I disagree with your assessment. lovemydog Aug 2014 #1

Pretty Much, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #2

You are spot on, sir Lithos Aug 2014 #8

That Is What They Need To Do, Sir, But I Fear They Will Not The Magistrate Aug 2014 #10

That is a painful truth Lithos Aug 2014 #14

Yes. And on both sides, innocent people suffer because of it. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #19

I wish I could rec a response, sir. eom MohRokTah Aug 2014 #9

with all due respect exactly what has Israel 'lost' here, what has Hamas 'won'? azurnoir Aug 2014 #17

Israel Has Lost The Political Dimension Of This Conflict, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #65

again with all due respect Sir azurnoir Aug 2014 #96

I Expect Where We Have Points Of Agreement, Sir, Would Be This The Magistrate Aug 2014 #98

Thank you Sir I'm honored truly I am but one small thing azurnoir Aug 2014 #99

+1. bemildred Aug 2014 #61

Likud v. HAmas will only move into a cold war stage, waiting for the next hot war between the ... MohRokTah Aug 2014 #3

Astute observation. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #20

Too bad Netanyahu has never been smart enough to see it villager Aug 2014 #4

so, in your estimation, Israel played into Hamas' hands bigtree Aug 2014 #5

Hamas and Likud need each other just as much as they hate each other. RandySF Aug 2014 #6

A relevant personal story from my past WestCoastLib Aug 2014 #7

The Israelis went into Gaza in order to destroy the tunnels. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #21

Cognitive Dissonance whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #11

Did you miss that Israel started this war? shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #12

++++++ swilton Aug 2014 #13

Thank you. That is why I disagree with the assessment. lovemydog Aug 2014 #15

Weren't there several jihadi groups which were variously Loudly Aug 2014 #18

Did I misplace my boiled egg? My puppy ate a sprocket shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #23

That's about as cogent as a barrage of Qassams. n/t Loudly Aug 2014 #54

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014 oberliner Aug 2014 #40

None of which were fired by Hamas shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #46

Hamas was the governing authority in Gaza over that time oberliner Aug 2014 #47

Israel is the governing authority in Hebron shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #49

is Obama responsible for the rash of school shootings during his tenure? frylock Aug 2014 #72

The story behind the story that some cannot accept KoKo Aug 2014 #50

this Marrah_G Aug 2014 #52

It used to be easier to defend Israel's oppression of the Palestinians. Now that the world sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #56

Recent history being exposed....how dare you bring up this stuff. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #66

^^$$$$$$THIS$$$$$$^^ Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #67

THANK YOU redqueen Aug 2014 #69

Your July 25 entry may also be incorrect oberliner Aug 2014 #80

Then you may need to provide evidence to that effect shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #85

Hamas did not win. US policy, as far as I can tell, has not changed one iota. lovemydog Aug 2014 #16

Behind high-minded motivations... BlueCheese Aug 2014 #22

This represents a very fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, I am afraid. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #24

Thank you for this post. lovemydog Aug 2014 #37

For your complete objectively from day one of this mess malaise Aug 2014 #43

Christopher Hedges says the Israeli government routinely lies BainsBane Aug 2014 #25

Me, too... KansDem Aug 2014 #30

So at least two schools leftynyc Aug 2014 #48

Israel does lie. And the innocent victims are Palestinian civilians and children. DanTex Aug 2014 #51

Do you have a source you can point me to for that? BainsBane Aug 2014 #59

Christopher Hedges is correct. They are very blatant about it too. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #62

Well then, i guess in order to not look like murdering thugs... bravenak Aug 2014 #26

First if Netnayahu is a hothead, he shouldn't be president underthematrix Aug 2014 #27

What was Hamas supposed to do? Submariner Aug 2014 #28

Israel has no settlements in Gaza onenote Aug 2014 #34

Israel has settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #35

And Hamas isn't the governing authority in those areas onenote Aug 2014 #36

It's still occupied Palestinian territory. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #38

Gaza is the land devastated by by that baby butcher, Bibi, rateyes Aug 2014 #29

Too early for full results Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #31

Ah, but who goaded the conflict intaglio Aug 2014 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2014 #33

Uncomfortably similar to the American response to 9/11. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #41

+1. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #63

Could you show us on a map where the non-populated areas are? n/t eridani Aug 2014 #39

Sure...(i assume u mean in Gaza) EX500rider Aug 2014 #79

Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth eridani Aug 2014 #83

Still has lots of empty room. EX500rider Aug 2014 #84

I see, they should visibly travel in open areas and get bombed. Even Hamas isn't that stupid eridani Aug 2014 #86

Much better to hide amoung women & children? not.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #90

They LIVE among women and children eridani Aug 2014 #95

What proportion of those open spaces are occupied by the IDF, part of the new stranger81 Aug 2014 #87

Neither is the answer 100% EX500rider Aug 2014 #88

So what is the answer? [n/t] stranger81 Aug 2014 #91

I am afraid no good answers....although all side making peace would be nice.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #92

I ask this question because I've been trying to find the answer myself for some time, stranger81 Aug 2014 #93

What in inversion of reality malaise Aug 2014 #42

They were able to gain a lot of support, too. LexVegas Aug 2014 #44

I would venture to say that the innocent Palestinian people have gained support justiceischeap Aug 2014 #64

And plenty here will cheer this leftynyc Aug 2014 #45

Netanyahu did exactly what he wanted to do CJCRANE Aug 2014 #53

Sun-Tzu laid out the strategy, many years ago: riqster Aug 2014 #55

Hamas had not fired rockets for 19 months. And it was 3 teens that Hamas DIDN'T kill that gave magical thyme Aug 2014 #57

Over a hundred rockets were fired from Gaza from January to June hack89 Aug 2014 #58

Yet none were fired by Hamas Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2014 #68

Hamas is legally responsible for every attack from Gaza hack89 Aug 2014 #71

Placing responsibilty for all acts happening within gaza Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2014 #73

So what is the point of negotiating peace with Hamas if they can't enforce it? hack89 Aug 2014 #74

somewhat off the mark Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2014 #78

The Palestinians shouldn't fight back, ever, just lay there and take it. The Straight Story Aug 2014 #60

you make me hit you, honey frylock Aug 2014 #70

That is exactly how these people sound to me Marrah_G Aug 2014 #82

Kick & recommended. William769 Aug 2014 #75

OMG, how stupid. closeupready Aug 2014 #76

How I weep for Israel's leaders Distant Quasar Aug 2014 #77

Just finished watching Blitzer's interview of Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker in the Knesset aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #81

So was Wolf even the least bit critical of this guy? [n/t] stranger81 Aug 2014 #89

He kept asking the guy to own up to his previous statements about shipping Gazans off to the Sinai aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #94

Not to many places in Gaza that's not populated! B Calm Aug 2014 #97