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kpete

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3. I hope not on my post

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 09:33 AM

Aug 2014

Can't we just shine the light
without throwing anyone under the bus?

I have read his books, I have listened to him talk
I do believe he is a great author and someone we should listen to on the subject of Israel

But, I do not believe that criticism needs to be held back for ANYONE

I believe in PEACE.
I also believe that the Citizens of Israel & Palestine Want PEACE.

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

Fredrick Douglass

http://www.blackpast.org/1857-frederick-douglass-if-there-no-struggle-there-no-progress

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An Open Letter to Elie Wiesel - Have You No Shame, Sir? [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

And under the bus goes a great man. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #1

A "great" man with a horrendous blind spot... n/t hlthe2b Aug 2014 #2

A great man that disagrees with you. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #4

..and about 75% of the rest of the world whathehell Aug 2014 #29

75% of the world has always hated Jews. former9thward Aug 2014 #58

faking claims of anti-Semitism is not going to work anymore. Give it up Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #65

Oh Please. Jewish people in the USA (And in other industrialized nations) truedelphi Aug 2014 #67

Coded anti-Semitism ("Jews run the banks and Hollywood") and ignorance of pogroms, WWII, etc. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #157

Hardly ignorance on my part. One of my dad's best buddies truedelphi Aug 2014 #163

That's one of the most absurdly paranoid remarks I believe I've ever read.. whathehell Aug 2014 #81

Do you have stats to back up your statement? former9thward Aug 2014 #82

No, I have something known as sanity. whathehell Aug 2014 #83

".and about 75% of the rest of the world" former9thward Aug 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Aug 2014 #138

Their "Seventy five percent" truedelphi Aug 2014 #161

I know..It's pathetic. nt whathehell Aug 2014 #162

Oh come on. Aerows Aug 2014 #170

Did this post of yours get tacked mistakenly as a reply to mine? truedelphi Aug 2014 #175

Your claim, your duty to provide stats. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #90

Oh, and the poster I was replying to has no duty? former9thward Aug 2014 #92

Reading comprehension issues? Thor_MN Aug 2014 #94

I said that in reply. former9thward Aug 2014 #95

Here, let me help you. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #96

You have not done that. former9thward Aug 2014 #97

No, you, as usual, are just going to dodge backing up wild claims you make... Thor_MN Aug 2014 #98

Since you have appointed yourself police of wild claims former9thward Aug 2014 #99

Reading comprehension again. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #100

And you are ignoring his claim.... former9thward Aug 2014 #101

Your wishes have no will on my actions. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #114

Don't sweat it. He lost all credibility with this lurker... Tommymac Aug 2014 #124

Did the poster I originally replied to have credibility with you? former9thward Aug 2014 #146

Dude I was defending you. I agree with you. n/t Tommymac Aug 2014 #154

Sorry. former9thward Aug 2014 #155

No worries. It's all good. Tommymac Aug 2014 #156

Sorry, it was YOU who claimed that 75% of the world has always hated Jews Thor_MN Aug 2014 #159

I am with you on this- Tumbulu Aug 2014 #120

Even if it were true (which It isn't) notadmblnd Aug 2014 #84

Some people try and write books and long articles with their posts. former9thward Aug 2014 #103

You're funny. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #110

Any one who claims to sum up the situation in Israel in 100 words or less is an idiot. former9thward Aug 2014 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Aug 2014 #121

That 75% also includes many of the soldiers who are part of the occupying army stationed in Gaza... DesertDiamond Aug 2014 #128

a great man Billy Budd Aug 2014 #34

A great man who cheerlead the invasion of Iraq. n/t Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #46

A great man who is wrong on something he of all people should understand. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #55

Great men lark Aug 2014 #68

I think he has lived it, earned it, and knows more than you about it. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #8

Does that mean this gentleman knows less, too? atreides1 Aug 2014 #15

and spoken in absolute contradiction to his rhetoric of today... Other holocaust survivors are also hlthe2b Aug 2014 #18

I hope not on my post kpete Aug 2014 #3

The pro-Hamas people will tear him to shreds. hack89 Aug 2014 #5

I am skeptical that there are any pro-Hamas people here. Chan790 Aug 2014 #10

Not possible for him to respond, sir. Black and white categorization is demanded for effective Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12

No, of course there are not "Pro-Hamas" posters here (or at least darned few) hlthe2b Aug 2014 #17

When anything that comes out of the leftynyc Aug 2014 #51

No one here has to believe Hamas nor give them benefit of the doubt. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #54

Elie Wiesel was obviously referring to the quotes from the alleged JDPriestly Aug 2014 #116

But interestingly Weisel makes no comment about intaglio Aug 2014 #177

Exactly! maddiemom Aug 2014 #24

"Find me one DUer posting 'You got Hamas' or something like that..or whathehell Aug 2014 #30

I think you are correct. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #41

TY MFM008 Aug 2014 #80

you continue to conflate anti-ethnic cleansing with being pro-Hamas.. frylock Aug 2014 #31

+1 Tommymac Aug 2014 #125

Hyperbolic fail. blackspade Aug 2014 #36

Thank you kpete Aug 2014 #44

I lost respect for him Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #47

BWAH-HA-HA!! I'll bet dollars to donuts you were calling people bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #49

I am not Pro-hamas, I am Anti-Bombing-the-Shit-Out-of-Civilians Marrah_G Aug 2014 #91

Pro-PEACE people will tear him to shreds. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #145

Who are these "Pro-Hamas" people on DU Aerows Aug 2014 #171

Then why do they cheer the killing of Palestinian children? lark Aug 2014 #69

Indeed... chervilant Aug 2014 #106

Justifying war crimes and the murder of children will tend to leave a person under a bus. DanTex Aug 2014 #6

He supported Bush's war on Iraq and wants war on Iran. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #7

Brilliant use of the term! JNelson6563 Aug 2014 #9

Why under the bus? Why not just realize he isn't perfect? HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #21

THANKS, HereSince. elleng Aug 2014 #53

No, just a great man that I disagree with vehemently on this issue. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #23

who shrugs off Billy Budd Aug 2014 #37

Thanks for posting this. Granny M Aug 2014 #50

I am grateful Billy Budd Aug 2014 #56

Thanks for posting a different perspective of Israel/Palestine history from a first hand observer. lumpy Aug 2014 #72

Great Video. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #141

Do you agree with Wiesel's letter? Martin Eden Aug 2014 #48

A larger percent than you 840high Aug 2014 #86

give us a number frylock Aug 2014 #108

70% thought Iraq had WMD and was allied with al Qaeda Martin Eden Aug 2014 #113

He wasn't thrown under the bus. rateyes Aug 2014 #73

He is driving a bus... Orsino Aug 2014 #152

Killing and demonizing brown children while saying they celebrate life....sound familiar? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #11

I can't believe he's still alive. panader0 Aug 2014 #13

Meaning exactly WHAT? You can't believe he survived his concentration camp years? No, you meant WinkyDink Aug 2014 #158

No. I do NOT mean I'd prefer his being dead. panader0 Aug 2014 #160

I don't think that's what he meant. chrisa Aug 2014 #164

K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #14

I disagree Scott6113 Aug 2014 #16

with the massive overcrowding in the ever shrinking Gaza, it is impossible not to magical thyme Aug 2014 #26

Not buying it. Scott6113 Aug 2014 #57

Have you seen images of what used to be Palestinian lands that are now Israeli lands? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #78

You forgot that time IDF went to court to fight for the right to use Palestinians as human shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #129

"About taking land. I understand a country faced with annihilation every day..." magical thyme Aug 2014 #144

No Scott6113 Aug 2014 #148

so the Palestinians can easily walk away from their homes, and give up what little hasn't been stole magical thyme Aug 2014 #149

They could launch from unpopulated areas Scott6113 Aug 2014 #147

are you aware Billy Budd Aug 2014 #35

Here you go, let's save some time. bravenak Aug 2014 #127

Barf. blackspade Aug 2014 #39

He is a man I trust 840high Aug 2014 #87

.... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #109

A great man and writer - TBF Aug 2014 #19

well said: kpete Aug 2014 #20

I agree Enrique Aug 2014 #33

Agreed. nt TBF Aug 2014 #43

...whose book Night should continue to be taught... Orsino Aug 2014 #151

He's a phony cpwm17 Aug 2014 #22

we're supposed to genuflect because he is a famous m-lekktor Aug 2014 #25

Yes, he's a right-winger for sure cpwm17 Aug 2014 #27

The way some of these people talk one would think it was the Palestinians who ran the death camps. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #40

"these people"? former9thward Aug 2014 #60

LOL!!! I see. So that means they're the SAME. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #61

I guess the same as "these people". former9thward Aug 2014 #63

Is it a GOAL to purposely misunderstand? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #64

Of course it is. sibelian Aug 2014 #118

This crap is why there is no peace. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #123

common interest Nazi Germany and Stern gang Billy Budd Aug 2014 #66

I thought we weren't allowed to bring up Nazis? Hissyspit Aug 2014 #71

Where is that in the TOS? former9thward Aug 2014 #74

It's not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #85

that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #77

so did the Irish MFM008 Aug 2014 #102

I don't know. former9thward Aug 2014 #104

So did the Swedes of that time. Popcorn? Tommymac Aug 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Aug 2014 #89

The Center for Victims of Torture riverwalker Aug 2014 #28

Mr. Wiesel was a strong supporter of Bush's foray into Iraq... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #32

fact sheet outlining Israel’s violation of humanitarian-law statutes Billy Budd Aug 2014 #38

Excellent resource! swilton Aug 2014 #107

Shocking and Disappointing Garthem Aug 2014 #42

I lost all respect for him when he wrote an editorial urging the invasion of Iraq. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #45

Did he buy that "Islamofascist" crap? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #62

Thanks. elleng Aug 2014 #52

I was disgusted 4now Aug 2014 #59

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #70

I love Wiesel. But he's wrong. Mc Mike Aug 2014 #75

I was shocked by Wiesel's letter too. He essentially repudiated his great work. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #76

eli wiesel is wrong. hopemountain Aug 2014 #79

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #88

No human race is superior; PumpkinAle Aug 2014 #105

Painfully truthful. 99Forever Aug 2014 #111

I am in total agreement----I taught NIGHT in my HS English classes for 15-20 years nikto Aug 2014 #112

Elie Wiesel is referring to the Hamas manual which allegedly JDPriestly Aug 2014 #115

The IDF used palestinians as human shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #130

And the Israelis adherence to the rule of law stopped the practice: JDPriestly Aug 2014 #132

No I have not seen anybody admitting to it. bravenak Aug 2014 #133

I'm hoping for negotiations and a peace that will be enforced. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #134

I am hoping for the same thing. bravenak Aug 2014 #135

Yes. I look at all the very cantankerous feuds between nations and JDPriestly Aug 2014 #136

I think both sides need to feel a bit of heat before they negotiate. bravenak Aug 2014 #137

Hopefully they will negotiate a workable settlement. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #167

I think they would do better to just work together. Otherwise they should ALL move. bravenak Aug 2014 #168

Perhaps Mr. Wiesel leftynyc Aug 2014 #142

You still don't attack civilians. bravenak Aug 2014 #143

Why on earth should Israeli's leftynyc Aug 2014 #176

Thanks. Interesting video. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #172

Hamas are beyond contemptible scumbags and fundies. That doesn't make Wiesel right. chrisa Aug 2014 #165

here's link to the IDF blog with the Hamas manual: EX500rider Aug 2014 #169

Wow...I had no idea of this side of Elie Wiesel BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #117

K&R!!!!! burrowowl Aug 2014 #119

Interesting emsimon33 Aug 2014 #122

Wiesel "one of the major frauds of our time" Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #131

Pop Billy Budd Aug 2014 #139

He's a well-paid con artist. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2014 #153

Such a con-artist and a phony! tritsofme Aug 2014 #174

Proof? Fraud how? chrisa Aug 2014 #166

I learned the truth about Elie Wiesel several years ago from Norman Finkelstein's invaluable work CrawlingChaos Aug 2014 #140

Maybe Mr Wiesel thinks Israeli behavior is acceptable. Socialistlemur Aug 2014 #150