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MADem

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236. It's being disputed in this very thread, and for reasons that have nothing to do with

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 10:16 AM

Aug 2014

scholarly interest in word origins.

This really isn't about how "useful" or "precise" the term is; it's about observing, in this very thread, people insisting that the term doesn't mean what the entire reasonable and thinking world SAYS the term means. Since the post - WW2 era, everyone KNOWS what an anti-Semite is -- Hitler defined himself as the Top anti-Semite of the Century. People would have to hiding in a cave for the last seventy years to not know what "that phrase" means.

I find the denial in this thread really disturbing. It doesn't matter how a person feels about the events in Gaza--one can separate one's distaste for the horrors of war from this issue. It comes off, even if not intended as such, like a dog whistle to extremist groups; denying that "anti-semite" means "enmity towards Jews" and suggesting that it also means "I don't like that Lebanese guy over there" as well is just over-the-top.

I really don't think that kind of "papering over the cracks" stuff belongs here on this forum.

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Is blatant anti-Semitism rampant here at DU? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP

jury results. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1

To be crystal clear: this poll is not about a jury result Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #5

Would you like me to self delete it? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #22

No. You are a MIRT team member (and a damn fine one I might add) Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #26

Thank you for the kind words. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #28

There are a couple of clear instances, but rampant? No. nt DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #2

Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #12

Is blatant anti-humanity is (sic) here at DU? Not a poll, a fact. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3

Copying & pasting & wearing my driving (as opposed to my reading) glasses is a formula for disaster Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8

Rampant no but we have bigots and some new trolls have signed up and we are mirt are nuking them hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4

Y'all do a hell of a job. IronGate Aug 2014 #6

Thank you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7

+ 1 nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #10

+1 LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #11

And some are zombies of PPR'd posters... SidDithers Aug 2014 #38

I will look and kick the thread. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40

Yup. I saw your self-delete down below, and I'm more convinced than ever that you're right... SidDithers Aug 2014 #58

I started a new thread so you don't have to have a yellow tab all the time. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #59

The dates certainly line up well... SidDithers Aug 2014 #64

likely a break to see if we forgot. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72

I'm assuming that you've let MIRT know this? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #42

No, you're not the zombie of inch4progress...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #43

Fair enough Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #48

Why did you change names?... SidDithers Aug 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2014 #50

I was just thinking about that in another thread. Rex Aug 2014 #145

The troll control at DU has always been exceptionally good. hifiguy Aug 2014 #71

Thank you. We have a great team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73

I'm glad you are back as part of MIRT again. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #87

Thanks, it is a great new team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #88

You'll be off next term, right? In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #89

Yeah I am on my fourth term but the last of this year. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #91

I thought I was going to be too busy working this term. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #93

I am sorry to hear this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #96

Thanks In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #99

You are an asset to DU! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102

You're an angel. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #106

Nonsense! You do just great here! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #108

It certainly isn't 'rampant'; on the other hand, it's not non-existent. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #9

How do you find out who is getting banned? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #15

Partly because I'm on MIRT (that's how I know about the trolls); but otherwise you would have to LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #25

Yeah, that's how I'm seeing it too n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #16

It is a "push poll".....only propaganda value. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #18

Why do you say that? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #24

"Rampant" is a loaded word, the yes or no responses are black and white acceptance or rejection of Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #36

The poll is based on a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #37

I understand, but repeating a mistake is just repeating a mistake....just my take.....peace. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #41

Not a problem. I readily concede it's not good political science. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #44

For the most part, no n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #13

No. What is rampant here is that DUers have always gotten outraged over injustice Autumn Aug 2014 #14

Humanity is rampant at DU. Humanity and anti-semitism are easily conflated it appears. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #21

I haven't seen any anti-semitism. I imagine MIRT is all over that. Autumn Aug 2014 #33

^THIS Marrah_G Aug 2014 #49

Not blatant and not rampant, but frequent and common. MineralMan Aug 2014 #17

I Would Agree, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #29

When Hitler and Nazi Germany are brought in and compared MineralMan Aug 2014 #32

That Is Certainly One Of The Tells, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #35

What if you see it from a juror ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #47

Btw...I am a Zionist. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #52

I'd forward such a result to MIRT Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #53

Alert On The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #54

Since I don't know how, would you mind bringing it to admins? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #55

If You Received The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #67

I didn't receive ...it was posted. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #74

What is your basis for calling that poster an anti-semite? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #97

I Consider That Comment Evidence Of Anti-Semitism, Comrade The Magistrate Aug 2014 #103

We disagree. It may be an inapt comparison, and cruel, but is not evidence of anti-semitism. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #109

If We Disagree, Comrade, One Of Us Is Right, And One Is Wrong.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #111

I would hate for you to be wrong. So I'll just leave it at we disagree. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #121

There was also a time here when just about any poster advocating for the stranger81 Aug 2014 #161

That Statement, Sir, Is Flat False To Fact The Magistrate Aug 2014 #166

It's Ma'am, and we will have to agree to differ on this one. stranger81 Aug 2014 #168

Not Possible, In This Instance, Ma'am, To Agree To Disagree The Magistrate Aug 2014 #173

I know that you refuse to brook disagreement, on this and just about any other point. stranger81 Aug 2014 #175

I Know What I Did, Ma'am, in Company With Mr. Jack Rabbit The Magistrate Aug 2014 #184

I wouldn't expect the people who did the banning to think anything other than stranger81 Aug 2014 #185

Suit Yourself, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #189

Tombstone means being kicked out of DU. Being barred from participating in the I/P forum isn't MADem Aug 2014 #218

as an unabashed pro-Palestinian poster (admittedly I don't post on the subject that much anymore - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #194

Wow. Just wow. stranger81 Aug 2014 #207

intentional self-delusion -- I'm amazed that people are willing to do that Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #208

And right back at you. [n/t] stranger81 Aug 2014 #209

No gay purge? You should let Skinner know. He certainly thought there was. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #212

At least in my tenure here -- going on 11 years -- this was the most divisive event I can recall. stranger81 Aug 2014 #214

For some, if they don't see it, it doesn't exist. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #215

I miss yardwork's voice around here. stranger81 Aug 2014 #216

She pops in from time to time, but not like she did before. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #217

She posted just the other day. MADem Aug 2014 #220

tell me with a staight face that DU banned people or purged people for being gay.. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #222

No one said they were banned for BEING gay. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #223

Your own prejudices blind you, perhaps? No one said 'for being gay' and you know that. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #245

First of all I am gay - and I have been openly gay at times and places where few people here would Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #250

I agree agbdf Aug 2014 #204

You are partly right. Vattel Aug 2014 #120

I don't find such comparisons very useful. They just stir up spluttering outrage... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #122

I agree Vattel Aug 2014 #157

After two 0-7 results BainsBane Aug 2014 #126

I just alerted on one and it was hidden... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #131

I seriously considered BainsBane Aug 2014 #139

Not rampant, but there are a few. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #19

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #20

I voted no because I don't think it's "rampant" but I have seen a few posts that... Spazito Aug 2014 #23

I think that one of the things that people forget about DU is that many of us are first and foremost jwirr Aug 2014 #27

I'd only add that opposition to the Iraq war was the backbone of the community pre-Obama Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #30

Exactly. jwirr Aug 2014 #34

Si Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #31

No. One can oppose LWolf Aug 2014 #39

Definitely. egduj Aug 2014 #45

Blatant? Not so much. Dog whistle, seething just below the surface sometimes popping out with a TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #46

Not at all, that's not even a proper nose. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #51

This question arises when GD's rules temporarily change leftstreet Aug 2014 #57

Yes...according to rightwingers Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #60

The charges of anti-Semitism outweigh the occurance by about 1000 to 1 BillZBubb Aug 2014 #61

Exactly! n/t NastyRiffraff Aug 2014 #152

Concern and caring for human life, despair over the loss of children is now considered anti-semitism Pisces Aug 2014 #62

The refuge of Extreme Super Zionists are in the charges of anti-Semitism too-which is a lie. No. bobthedrummer Aug 2014 #63

if opposing collective punishment, ghetto-izing, land theft, ethnic cleansing, assorted war crimes KG Aug 2014 #65

There's a lot of criticism... kentuck Aug 2014 #66

Present but definitely not rampant intaglio Aug 2014 #68

there are many peoples that are Semites. the phrase needs a more narrow definition. for example msongs Aug 2014 #69

Anti-semitism is a specific term with a specific meaning, Codeine Aug 2014 #79

Baloney. I was taught back in my Catholic grammar school that truedelphi Aug 2014 #105

Nothing to Do With The Term 'Anti-Semitism', Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #114

You are in error. Semites are tribal peoples of the ME, yes, but the term anti-semite refers MADem Aug 2014 #221

Wikipedia is a very bad site to display as a definitive answer to anything. truedelphi Aug 2014 #225

Two things--I invite your attention to the LINKS at Wikipedia, which are scholarly and MADem Aug 2014 #230

I am a sticker for a word maning what it says it means. truedelphi Aug 2014 #231

Are you a sticker (sic) for words like: Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #232

No, you aren't. You're denying the obvious. And if I may say, as someone who isn't MADem Aug 2014 #235

but this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #124

Antisemite in every dictionary means anti Jewish King_David Aug 2014 #140

again, this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #146

It's being disputed in this very thread, and for reasons that have nothing to do with MADem Aug 2014 #236

This! egduj Aug 2014 #116

Being Pro-Humanity maxrandb Aug 2014 #70

dislike for the thug who runs isreal does not mean you are anti-semitic dembotoz Aug 2014 #75

It seems many confuse "Semitic" with the state of Israel... or worse, with the gtar100 Aug 2014 #76

Just As, Sir, It 'Can Be Hard To Get Through Some Noggins' The Magistrate Aug 2014 #77

Yes, there is that too. Racists and bigots do tend to find a way to "leak" out their poison gtar100 Aug 2014 #82

^^^^^^^^ Yeah! n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #104

It seems blatant madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #78

That's a good point. Codeine Aug 2014 #80

I don't think it is rampant, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #81

here someone is claiming that a cabal of rich Jews have the final grip over the Democratic Party Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #83

Noticed that one too? azurnoir Aug 2014 #110

It depends on what you mean by "rampant". BlueCheese Aug 2014 #84

Pls consider the definition of the word "Semite" -- truedelphi Aug 2014 #85

Pls consider the definition of the word "Antisemitism" Codeine Aug 2014 #86

Bwahahahaha. truedelphi Aug 2014 #98

I thought the Zionists were white European colonialist invaders Mosby Aug 2014 #95

You are thinking about it too much. truedelphi Aug 2014 #100

This! egduj Aug 2014 #115

Being Anti Likud is not being antisemitic n2doc Aug 2014 #90

Yes ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #92

No. But, there is a lot of blatant anti-atrocity statements that are rampant. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #94

True that. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #229

Tastelessly conspicuous is one of the definitions of Blatant. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #101

I don't know about "rampant." At least not yet. But it's definitely here. villager Aug 2014 #107

There's a difference. sakabatou Aug 2014 #112

If you are a Jew with a mind set in the best tradition of Judaism aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #113

Not rampant, but present. MH1 Aug 2014 #117

Put me down for "present, but not rampant" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #118

it is certainly there, we see it when it comes to blacks, gays, women and others also JI7 Aug 2014 #119

yup Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #127

Is blatant anti-Christianism rampant here at DU? That would also be an interesting question Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #134

it's more directed at Republicans in this country and as a way of showing them to be hypocrites JI7 Aug 2014 #179

Is subtle anti-semitism present here at DU? oberliner Aug 2014 #123

I repeat: The poll question was based on the wording of a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #133

Criticism of Israel's military policy does not equal anti-Semitism. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #125

No, it doesn't, but this does... Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #129

And, so? Enthusiast Aug 2014 #137

You said in your strawman, that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #141

No. I said criticism of Israel's military policy, distinctly different than criticism of Israel. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #142

My anger? LOL! Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #147

I stand by my post. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #148

As do I. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #149

OK, I'd like to break this example down step by step, if I may. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #150

Do you not see those comments as anti-Semitic? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #151

Being mindful that I'm trying to seek understanding, and that I did not originally make the comments Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #162

That's awful. Why would any sane person argue in favor of that? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #164

Not the best way to put it. defacto7 Aug 2014 #128

I just saw an OP that made my blood run cold. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #130

A link could be helpful Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #132

You might have to wait a while...nt. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #156

I'd rather not call anyone in particular out. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #213

Rampant is a poor word choice but those who voted "no" are wearing blinders imho riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #135

or maybe they don't want to be pushed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #154

So most the DU is wrong on this topic? Really? n-t Logical Aug 2014 #227

I alerted on a poster who posted Veteran's Today Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #136

And an Israel supporter posted a link to "Stormfront." BillZBubb Aug 2014 #158

The admins do see all alerts. MADem Aug 2014 #238

Nope. Iggo Aug 2014 #138

I don't think it's 'rampant', but I do see it here, particularly of late. closeupready Aug 2014 #143

Blatant? No. Garthem Aug 2014 #144

I call it the cornball 24 Aug 2014 #153

I haven't seen it - but I see a lot of folks I respect in the "yes" TBF Aug 2014 #155

"comparisons to Nazi Germany may be over the top" BillZBubb Aug 2014 #160

That's the only thing I can come up with - TBF Aug 2014 #163

Do you think comparing Israel to Nazi Germany has anything to do with Jews? oberliner Aug 2014 #176

Yes, obviously. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #191

Right so can't you see why that might be offensive? oberliner Aug 2014 #193

Thank you - this is helpful and I appreciate the time you took to go through it all. TBF Aug 2014 #197

I understand oberliner Aug 2014 #200

Of course, people can be offended by a lot of things. I never said it wasn't offensive to some. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #198

I appreciate your response oberliner Aug 2014 #201

Another example oberliner Aug 2014 #195

I see folks I respect on both sides Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #181

We regularly excoriate the religious nuts who infest American politics. On a daily basis, even. randome Aug 2014 #159

What about the Jewish religion are you mocking? BainsBane Aug 2014 #165

Maybe that's how it was categorized in the past but how is that the case now? randome Aug 2014 #169

Yes, this country is full of secular Jews BainsBane Aug 2014 #174

Most religions are about far, far more than informing people about history and knowledge. randome Aug 2014 #177

I think much the same thing could be said about Catholics Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #171

You have to be careful to qualify those particular people you are talking about. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #167

I get your point but religion is still at the base of Israel. randome Aug 2014 #170

True, but even in Israel there is not uninimity on issues. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #178

An attempt to answer you in good faith. Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity herding cats Aug 2014 #183

Blending ethnicity and religion is not very smart, IMO. And Israel is to 'blame' for that. randome Aug 2014 #188

There's no way to seperate the people from the religon after millennia. herding cats Aug 2014 #192

I wouldn't say 'rampant' but there are examples of such here. Kaleva Aug 2014 #172

OTHER: We have a problem with a very few people, but many more are not choosing their words MADem Aug 2014 #180

I'd endorse this comment. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #182

I've seen it, intentional or not it has happened. herding cats Aug 2014 #186

I made the comment MohRokTah Aug 2014 #187

I appreciate your feedback Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #190

Yes. LexVegas Aug 2014 #196

Examples? nt BillZBubb Aug 2014 #199

I went for not sure customerserviceguy Aug 2014 #202

I don't know about rampant, but many examples have been shown in this thread of blatant Rex Aug 2014 #203

no, that's absurd mwrguy Aug 2014 #205

Bingo! You hit the correct answer. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #211

Blatant - no. Definitely here, though. 840high Aug 2014 #206

Fuck yes! Anti-semitism. Racism. Sexism. And homophobia. Yes, liberals can be all of those. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #210

Sad but true. BainsBane Aug 2014 #219

It's always interesting to see mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #224

anti-Semitism... SummerSnow Aug 2014 #226

There's been a lot of anti-Semitism here lately Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #228

I think those who tried to equate Israel with Nazis or Nazi actions are very likely anti-Semites stevenleser Aug 2014 #240

At best comparing Israel to the Nazis is unbelievably insensitive Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #241

Yes, because if you criticize the Israeli government Aerows Aug 2014 #233

So you don't think there is anti-Semitism here? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #234

Are you suggesting Aerows Aug 2014 #239

So are you claiming you weren't mocking anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #242

Behind the Aegis Aerows Aug 2014 #243

And what I see, are the ACCUSATIONS of FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #249

This is a very emotional issue Aerows Aug 2014 #252

NOT anti-anybody kpete Aug 2014 #237

No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #244

The Poll has ended Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #246

Thank you for the call out. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #247

Fair enough, and I apologize to you. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #253

no! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #248

Looking at the current figures 93/304/11 Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #251