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kpete

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20. well said:

Tue Aug 5, 2014, 10:27 AM

Aug 2014

I think his perspective is valuable, even if I don't agree.

that is how we ALL should roll....

agreement is NOT necessary

peace,
kp

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An Open Letter to Elie Wiesel - Have You No Shame, Sir? [View all] kpete Aug 2014 OP

And under the bus goes a great man. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #1

A "great" man with a horrendous blind spot... n/t hlthe2b Aug 2014 #2

A great man that disagrees with you. nt hack89 Aug 2014 #4

..and about 75% of the rest of the world whathehell Aug 2014 #29

75% of the world has always hated Jews. former9thward Aug 2014 #58

faking claims of anti-Semitism is not going to work anymore. Give it up Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #65

Oh Please. Jewish people in the USA (And in other industrialized nations) truedelphi Aug 2014 #67

Coded anti-Semitism ("Jews run the banks and Hollywood") and ignorance of pogroms, WWII, etc. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #157

Hardly ignorance on my part. One of my dad's best buddies truedelphi Aug 2014 #163

That's one of the most absurdly paranoid remarks I believe I've ever read.. whathehell Aug 2014 #81

Do you have stats to back up your statement? former9thward Aug 2014 #82

No, I have something known as sanity. whathehell Aug 2014 #83

".and about 75% of the rest of the world" former9thward Aug 2014 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Aug 2014 #138

Their "Seventy five percent" truedelphi Aug 2014 #161

I know..It's pathetic. nt whathehell Aug 2014 #162

Oh come on. Aerows Aug 2014 #170

Did this post of yours get tacked mistakenly as a reply to mine? truedelphi Aug 2014 #175

Your claim, your duty to provide stats. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #90

Oh, and the poster I was replying to has no duty? former9thward Aug 2014 #92

Reading comprehension issues? Thor_MN Aug 2014 #94

I said that in reply. former9thward Aug 2014 #95

Here, let me help you. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #96

You have not done that. former9thward Aug 2014 #97

No, you, as usual, are just going to dodge backing up wild claims you make... Thor_MN Aug 2014 #98

Since you have appointed yourself police of wild claims former9thward Aug 2014 #99

Reading comprehension again. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #100

And you are ignoring his claim.... former9thward Aug 2014 #101

Your wishes have no will on my actions. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #114

Don't sweat it. He lost all credibility with this lurker... Tommymac Aug 2014 #124

Did the poster I originally replied to have credibility with you? former9thward Aug 2014 #146

Dude I was defending you. I agree with you. n/t Tommymac Aug 2014 #154

Sorry. former9thward Aug 2014 #155

No worries. It's all good. Tommymac Aug 2014 #156

Sorry, it was YOU who claimed that 75% of the world has always hated Jews Thor_MN Aug 2014 #159

I am with you on this- Tumbulu Aug 2014 #120

Even if it were true (which It isn't) notadmblnd Aug 2014 #84

Some people try and write books and long articles with their posts. former9thward Aug 2014 #103

You're funny. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #110

Any one who claims to sum up the situation in Israel in 100 words or less is an idiot. former9thward Aug 2014 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Aug 2014 #121

That 75% also includes many of the soldiers who are part of the occupying army stationed in Gaza... DesertDiamond Aug 2014 #128

a great man Billy Budd Aug 2014 #34

A great man who cheerlead the invasion of Iraq. n/t Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #46

A great man who is wrong on something he of all people should understand. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #55

Great men lark Aug 2014 #68

I think he has lived it, earned it, and knows more than you about it. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #8

Does that mean this gentleman knows less, too? atreides1 Aug 2014 #15

and spoken in absolute contradiction to his rhetoric of today... Other holocaust survivors are also hlthe2b Aug 2014 #18

I hope not on my post kpete Aug 2014 #3

The pro-Hamas people will tear him to shreds. hack89 Aug 2014 #5

I am skeptical that there are any pro-Hamas people here. Chan790 Aug 2014 #10

Not possible for him to respond, sir. Black and white categorization is demanded for effective Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12

No, of course there are not "Pro-Hamas" posters here (or at least darned few) hlthe2b Aug 2014 #17

When anything that comes out of the leftynyc Aug 2014 #51

No one here has to believe Hamas nor give them benefit of the doubt. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #54

Elie Wiesel was obviously referring to the quotes from the alleged JDPriestly Aug 2014 #116

But interestingly Weisel makes no comment about intaglio Aug 2014 #177

Exactly! maddiemom Aug 2014 #24

"Find me one DUer posting 'You got Hamas' or something like that..or whathehell Aug 2014 #30

I think you are correct. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #41

TY MFM008 Aug 2014 #80

you continue to conflate anti-ethnic cleansing with being pro-Hamas.. frylock Aug 2014 #31

+1 Tommymac Aug 2014 #125

Hyperbolic fail. blackspade Aug 2014 #36

Thank you kpete Aug 2014 #44

I lost respect for him Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #47

BWAH-HA-HA!! I'll bet dollars to donuts you were calling people bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #49

I am not Pro-hamas, I am Anti-Bombing-the-Shit-Out-of-Civilians Marrah_G Aug 2014 #91

Pro-PEACE people will tear him to shreds. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #145

Who are these "Pro-Hamas" people on DU Aerows Aug 2014 #171

Then why do they cheer the killing of Palestinian children? lark Aug 2014 #69

Indeed... chervilant Aug 2014 #106

Justifying war crimes and the murder of children will tend to leave a person under a bus. DanTex Aug 2014 #6

He supported Bush's war on Iraq and wants war on Iran. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #7

Brilliant use of the term! JNelson6563 Aug 2014 #9

Why under the bus? Why not just realize he isn't perfect? HereSince1628 Aug 2014 #21

THANKS, HereSince. elleng Aug 2014 #53

No, just a great man that I disagree with vehemently on this issue. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #23

who shrugs off Billy Budd Aug 2014 #37

Thanks for posting this. Granny M Aug 2014 #50

I am grateful Billy Budd Aug 2014 #56

Thanks for posting a different perspective of Israel/Palestine history from a first hand observer. lumpy Aug 2014 #72

Great Video. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #141

Do you agree with Wiesel's letter? Martin Eden Aug 2014 #48

A larger percent than you 840high Aug 2014 #86

give us a number frylock Aug 2014 #108

70% thought Iraq had WMD and was allied with al Qaeda Martin Eden Aug 2014 #113

He wasn't thrown under the bus. rateyes Aug 2014 #73

He is driving a bus... Orsino Aug 2014 #152

Killing and demonizing brown children while saying they celebrate life....sound familiar? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #11

I can't believe he's still alive. panader0 Aug 2014 #13

Meaning exactly WHAT? You can't believe he survived his concentration camp years? No, you meant WinkyDink Aug 2014 #158

No. I do NOT mean I'd prefer his being dead. panader0 Aug 2014 #160

I don't think that's what he meant. chrisa Aug 2014 #164

K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #14

I disagree Scott6113 Aug 2014 #16

with the massive overcrowding in the ever shrinking Gaza, it is impossible not to magical thyme Aug 2014 #26

Not buying it. Scott6113 Aug 2014 #57

Have you seen images of what used to be Palestinian lands that are now Israeli lands? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #78

You forgot that time IDF went to court to fight for the right to use Palestinians as human shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #129

"About taking land. I understand a country faced with annihilation every day..." magical thyme Aug 2014 #144

No Scott6113 Aug 2014 #148

so the Palestinians can easily walk away from their homes, and give up what little hasn't been stole magical thyme Aug 2014 #149

They could launch from unpopulated areas Scott6113 Aug 2014 #147

are you aware Billy Budd Aug 2014 #35

Here you go, let's save some time. bravenak Aug 2014 #127

Barf. blackspade Aug 2014 #39

He is a man I trust 840high Aug 2014 #87

.... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #109

A great man and writer - TBF Aug 2014 #19

well said: kpete Aug 2014 #20

I agree Enrique Aug 2014 #33

Agreed. nt TBF Aug 2014 #43

...whose book Night should continue to be taught... Orsino Aug 2014 #151

He's a phony cpwm17 Aug 2014 #22

we're supposed to genuflect because he is a famous m-lekktor Aug 2014 #25

Yes, he's a right-winger for sure cpwm17 Aug 2014 #27

The way some of these people talk one would think it was the Palestinians who ran the death camps. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #40

"these people"? former9thward Aug 2014 #60

LOL!!! I see. So that means they're the SAME. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #61

I guess the same as "these people". former9thward Aug 2014 #63

Is it a GOAL to purposely misunderstand? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #64

Of course it is. sibelian Aug 2014 #118

This crap is why there is no peace. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #123

common interest Nazi Germany and Stern gang Billy Budd Aug 2014 #66

I thought we weren't allowed to bring up Nazis? Hissyspit Aug 2014 #71

Where is that in the TOS? former9thward Aug 2014 #74

It's not. Hissyspit Aug 2014 #85

that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #77

so did the Irish MFM008 Aug 2014 #102

I don't know. former9thward Aug 2014 #104

So did the Swedes of that time. Popcorn? Tommymac Aug 2014 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Aug 2014 #89

The Center for Victims of Torture riverwalker Aug 2014 #28

Mr. Wiesel was a strong supporter of Bush's foray into Iraq... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #32

fact sheet outlining Israel’s violation of humanitarian-law statutes Billy Budd Aug 2014 #38

Excellent resource! swilton Aug 2014 #107

Shocking and Disappointing Garthem Aug 2014 #42

I lost all respect for him when he wrote an editorial urging the invasion of Iraq. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #45

Did he buy that "Islamofascist" crap? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #62

Thanks. elleng Aug 2014 #52

I was disgusted 4now Aug 2014 #59

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #70

I love Wiesel. But he's wrong. Mc Mike Aug 2014 #75

I was shocked by Wiesel's letter too. He essentially repudiated his great work. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #76

eli wiesel is wrong. hopemountain Aug 2014 #79

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #88

No human race is superior; PumpkinAle Aug 2014 #105

Painfully truthful. 99Forever Aug 2014 #111

I am in total agreement----I taught NIGHT in my HS English classes for 15-20 years nikto Aug 2014 #112

Elie Wiesel is referring to the Hamas manual which allegedly JDPriestly Aug 2014 #115

The IDF used palestinians as human shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #130

And the Israelis adherence to the rule of law stopped the practice: JDPriestly Aug 2014 #132

No I have not seen anybody admitting to it. bravenak Aug 2014 #133

I'm hoping for negotiations and a peace that will be enforced. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #134

I am hoping for the same thing. bravenak Aug 2014 #135

Yes. I look at all the very cantankerous feuds between nations and JDPriestly Aug 2014 #136

I think both sides need to feel a bit of heat before they negotiate. bravenak Aug 2014 #137

Hopefully they will negotiate a workable settlement. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #167

I think they would do better to just work together. Otherwise they should ALL move. bravenak Aug 2014 #168

Perhaps Mr. Wiesel leftynyc Aug 2014 #142

You still don't attack civilians. bravenak Aug 2014 #143

Why on earth should Israeli's leftynyc Aug 2014 #176

Thanks. Interesting video. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #172

Hamas are beyond contemptible scumbags and fundies. That doesn't make Wiesel right. chrisa Aug 2014 #165

here's link to the IDF blog with the Hamas manual: EX500rider Aug 2014 #169

Wow...I had no idea of this side of Elie Wiesel BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #117

K&R!!!!! burrowowl Aug 2014 #119

Interesting emsimon33 Aug 2014 #122

Wiesel "one of the major frauds of our time" Laughing Mirror Aug 2014 #131

Pop Billy Budd Aug 2014 #139

He's a well-paid con artist. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2014 #153

Such a con-artist and a phony! tritsofme Aug 2014 #174

Proof? Fraud how? chrisa Aug 2014 #166

I learned the truth about Elie Wiesel several years ago from Norman Finkelstein's invaluable work CrawlingChaos Aug 2014 #140

Maybe Mr Wiesel thinks Israeli behavior is acceptable. Socialistlemur Aug 2014 #150